Leicester 'could face points deduction next season'

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Not sure if I would take 10-15 points on the condition that Man City went down the the Pub League Northern Premier… 🤨 

[goose2010]

Only way we survive with -15 is if 3 other teams get thrown out the league for something. 

 

Give the job Birch for a year. 

[KFS]

Controversial but I still believe we won’t get a deduction. Should be all over the argument that our position was contingent on the other cheaters

[Pliskin]

To reiterate, it will not be 16 points. It can only be a maximum of 8 shown read it……. So that’s just plucking bollocks out of thin air, which Percy does a lot of recently…..

[davieG]

32 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

If its 15 points we can basically spend the entire season fouling, wearing controversial T-shirts, swearing, fighting and generally just mucking about. 

Or just take a day off when we have stupid KO times.

[HankMarvin]

20 minutes ago, The boy Linacre said:

Couple of questions;

1) When will we actually know??  It would be very beneficial to be as soon as......So the club can do something they are really bad at "planning"

2) Are we that much worse than Forest & Everton? ON the PSR front......

3) Presume we haven't got 115 cases to answer??  So Man City heading down to the National League then?

2, yes 

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

2, yes 

How do you know this?

[pkonline]

A lot of this is nonsense scaremongering. It'll be 8 points or less.

[brookfox]

-15 and we may as well write next season off and plan for the next one back in the championship. No loans, only young signings we can develop, academy players getting pitch time, no contract extension for any out of contract players etc.

[HankMarvin]

29 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

How do you know this?

Look at the losses 

• In the 2021-2022 season, Everton breached the PSR by accruing losses of £124.5 million.
• As there was a breach of the £105 million maximum (rule E.51), the Premier League were obligated to refer the breach to a Premier League Commission (‘the Commission’).
• They are awaiting the outcome of a second charge for the period including the 2022-23 season.

 

The Premier League said Forest admitted breaching PSR by £34.5m above their permitted threshold of £61m

 

Edited 28 May 2024 by HankMarvin

[ClaphamFox]

5 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Look at the losses 

 

• In the 2021-2022 season, Everton breached the PSR by accruing losses of £124.5 million.
• As there was a breach of the £105 million maximum (rule E.51), the Premier League were obligated to refer the breach to a Premier League Commission (‘the Commission’).

The Premier League said Forest admitted breaching PSR by £34.5m above their permitted threshold of £61m

 

That’s Everton and Forest. We have no idea what our PSR loss is for the period, unless you have inside information.  

[lcfc_forever]

This thread is funny.

 

Poster: The rule book says it can't be more than 8-10 points

Other poster: But if we get 15 points docked...

Another poster: But we can't more than 8-10 points 

 

And so on....

[bart]

5 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

This thread is funny.

 

Poster: The rule book says it can't be more than 8-10 points

Other poster: But if we get 15 points docked...

Another poster: But we can't more than 8-10 points 

 

And so on....

Our deduction is going to be for 2 offences, so I'm not sure why it has to be 10 points maximum. It made no sense that Everton managed to only get 2 points deducted for a second breach but we need something similar now.

[Aus Fox]

I wish they could just sort out all financially irregularities over the summer, and any points deductions, for any teams, are applied prior to a ball being kicked. 
 

[lcfc_forever]

5 minutes ago, bart said:

Our deduction is going to be for 2 offences, so I'm not sure why it has to be 10 points maximum. It made no sense that Everton managed to only get 2 points deducted for a second breach but we need something similar now.

It's one for 22-23 for sure, 23-24 yet to be confirmed. 

[HankMarvin]

7 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

That’s Everton and Forest. We have no idea what our PSR loss is for the period, unless you have inside information.  

The club made losses of 215m over a 3 year period.

33.1m 20/21

92.5 21/22

89.7m 22/23

 

(Costs associated with infrastructure investment, youth and women's teams can be deducted when calculating PSR losses)

is that going to be 110m?

permitted losses 3 year cycle 105m 

plus the Covid year so not sure how the ground lies with the first breach.

 

Last 23/24 season, permitted losses £83m 3 years 

what we do know is the previous 2 seasons losses £182.2m losses 

 

(Again minus costs Costs associated with infrastructure investment, youth and women's teams can be deducted when calculating PSR losses)

 

Thats before you factor in this seasons losses, plus the delaying of submitting finance plan and spending prior to the season starting.

[fazzyfox]

I've lost track of other clubs situations a bit but is anyone else likely to be starting on minus points, were Everton, Forest maybe Bournemouth set to be charged / charged again? Presume Forest are safe as they sold Johnson and didn't go quite as mad as previous summer? It's based on the rolling 3 year situation isn't it, basically we need to get beyond the anniversary of the Daka / Soumare / Vestergaard buys with no sales summer although wages every year were a problem too so even the 3 year period after that will still be too close to the wire?

 

Secondly, entirely theoretically, if a club was relegated outright as a punishment how would that affect relegation and promotion places?  

 

Lastly how and when can people make a stand and say fine, we've done wrong, punish us but tell us when oh when are you calling Man City and Chelsea to account. If it's not this season then any points they gain against us are gained through unfair advantage (and vastly superior football of course but go along with it for arguments sake). They're under investigation but not charged yet every match day that passes they continue to accrue points, progress, trophies, that are the result of fielding a squad of players they can't under the rules afford to have (even if in Man Citys case the offences are historic with few of the players still around, they gained an advantage in their status, growth, infrastructure, achievement, prize money, opportunities etc that they still benefit from today). Which is what some clubs will have been saying about us this season no doubt. The difference is in circumstances though, you can't force players off your wage bill but the better they are the more chance there is of a club coming in for them. In 2022/23 we had a group of players on big wages hanging round the training ground with the manager having no intention of involving them in matches, higher up the chain there would be demand for your outcasts so long as the relative wage structure doesn't put off approaches. An example being, with all due respect we could have got through this season without Praet, Souttar and Ward but you can't force it to happen.  

 

[Wymsey]

Am concerned that LCFC will suffer from 'special favours' the decision committee might have given to the other clubs and be unfairly punished.

[Pliskin]

10 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Am concerned that LCFC will suffer from 'special favours' the decision committee might have given to the other clubs and be unfairly punished.

Can’t, it will be 6 or 8 points and that will be that. They may try to give us more like they tried to give Everton 12 but Everton argued that supersedes the max penalty of 10 points, which is for administration, and they didn’t go into administration…… so, they can’t. 

[Posthorn54]

If it’s 15 points Vardy and Schmeichel player managers for a year shit or bust.

[Chrysalis]

On 21/05/2024 at 11:57, les-tah said:

Shocking 🤣  However, it might be beneficial for us as it opens the door to various avenues of addressing unfair treatment and potential counter-suing maybe?!

 

 

Yeah not much is going to happen to them, instead it will be dragged out under the pretence "its complicated".  Because if they announce no punishment, then will be carnage, and they cant do any kind of big punishment, it brings the league into question and now it seems may even upset international relations.  So the one action they have is just to drag it out which is whats happening.

[Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

15 points is utterly laughable.

How would they be able to justify it being higher than Everton's deduction?

[Jazzy_Jeff]

Can’t we just promise to never win the league again and call it quits? 

[drew]

What year were Everton and Forest charged under for their recent points deductions?

The way I see this, and its a wild guess, is that our punishment could not be given to us this footballing year as we were not in the EPL.

Are we to assume the EPL can suspend the punishment until the following year?

 

If by some miracle we pass PSR this year by selling a player or two and Enzo leaving before the end of June then I suspect we may not face a points deduction at all.

This could be why we robustly defended ourselves against the EPL and EFL, both which backed down.

 

This will no doubt cause uproar across the EPL and could rumble on for some time.

[Corky]

Should be 8 points maximum, I doubt we've done anything severe enough to warrant 15 points.