Next England Manager?

[Wymsey]

It's either going to be a huge success or big failure.

[Jon the Hat]

This is going to be a disaster.  Tuchel is pretty crap as top managers go.

[Bilo]

7 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

This is going to be a disaster.  Tuchel is pretty crap as top managers go.

International football requires a skillset that might suit him well. Pragmatism, motivating players for one-off games and working with what you have.

 

Pep is the best manager in the world, but he strikes me as the kind of manager who needs day in day out with his squad to make it work as well as building his own team. With the best will in the world, he'd have neither in international football. It's not as if he could fly to Oslo and walk into the Norwegian FA's offices with a £100m cheque for Erling Haaland. 

 

Tuchel, by contrast, took over a Chelsea side that was in chaos before and has been worse since and won a Champions League with them. In terms of making do with what he had, he made an aging Jorginho look world class and won the biggest prize in world club football with Ben Chilwell at left-back. 

 

The only mark against in him in his career so far is his time at Bayern, but even then that Leverkusen side was an absolute freak of nature from front to back while Bayern were in decline.

[Wolfox]

8 hours ago, Wymsey said:

It's either going to be a huge success or big failure.

Mmhh….  Thanks for the deep insight! 

 

There is no ‘meh’ in football 

[ClaphamFox]

10 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Would help if they existed.

Apparently the FA didn’t even bother sounding out Howe or Potter - they were never even candidates. It’s a pretty damning indictment of the quality of English coaches, but probably not an unfair one. 

[Babylon]

23 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Apparently the FA didn’t even bother sounding out Howe or Potter - they were never even candidates. It’s a pretty damning indictment of the quality of English coaches, but probably not an unfair one. 

Potter has done little to deserve a shot at it, Howe more so but even that's hardly amazing. Best of a bad bunch, pathetic we can't create managers really. 

[Izzy]

Fussball ist coming home

[Vacamion]

13 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Fussball ist coming home

 

You had a golden opportunity to say 

 

Fußball

 

and you missed it. 

[Jon the Hat]

45 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Apparently the FA didn’t even bother sounding out Howe or Potter - they were never even candidates. It’s a pretty damning indictment of the quality of English coaches, but probably not an unfair one. 

They have literally won nothing.  Looks like the FA are ditching the internal development route as it has objectively not returned trophies.

[Vacamion]

 

 

Reading this morning about how Tuchel will be the special sauce that gets England that one final step further to glory.

 

Then I remembered Brendan Rodgers beat him in a final in 2021 

 

 

 

 

 

(OK, OK, City were a bit fortunate with  a hairline VAR decision, a worldie of a goal from Youri, Kasper making unbelieveable saves, etc) 

 

[bovril]

20 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Fussball ist coming home

Neither is Tuchel from what I've read

[Super_horns]

55 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Apparently the FA didn’t even bother sounding out Howe or Potter - they were never even candidates. It’s a pretty damning indictment of the quality of English coaches, but probably not an unfair one. 

I guess they didn't fancy him and didn’t think Eddie Howe would be available ?

[Leicesterpool]

53 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Apparently the FA didn’t even bother sounding out Howe or Potter - they were never even candidates. It’s a pretty damning indictment of the quality of English coaches, but probably not an unfair one. 

Potter failed at Chelsea and that was test to see cope with higher class players. Took Chelsea from 4th in Premier league to 11th 

 

Howe yeah done more than to earn a shout. But not won a domestic yet, something realistically you need achieve before getting the top job.

 

 

 

[DennisNedry]

Good appointment.

 

I do think that international managers should be the same nationality as the team they are managing.

But hey, those aren't the rules, so with that in mind, we've appointed a top manager with a history of winning trophies.

[ClaphamFox]

35 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

I guess they didn't fancy him and didn’t think Eddie Howe would be available ?

According to Sky, which broke the story of Tuchel's appointment, Mark Bullingham (FA chief executive) wanted an English coach but John McDermott (technical director) wanted somebody with a proven track record of winning things. McDermott won the argument.

Edited 16 October 2024 by ClaphamFox

[Babylon]

58 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

Reading this morning about how Tuchel will be the special sauce that gets England that one final step further to glory.

 

Then I remembered Brendan Rodgers beat him in a final in 2021 

 

 

 

 

 

(OK, OK, City were a bit fortunate with  a hairline VAR decision, a worldie of a goal from Youri, Kasper making unbelieveable saves, etc) 

 

Harsh

 

[UniFox21]

Pundits, fans and journalists slated Southgate for being tactically inept in the one off big games. 

So the FA have hired a man who has done incredibly well tactically in one off big game situations and has spent time working in England, yet he's being picked at for being German

[coolhandfox]

Would Germany appoint a English manager, not a chance.

 

Total failure by the FA and football governing bodies to create a pathway for English coaches.

 

Horrific miss management. 

[Super_horns]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

According to Sky, which broke the story of Tuchel's appointment, Mark Bullingham (FA chief executive) wanted an English coach but John McDermott (technical director) wanted somebody with a proven track record of winning things. McDermott won the argument.

Typically there is a split at the top of the game then?

 

10 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Would Germany appoint a English manager, not a chance.

 

Total failure by the FA and football governing bodies to create a pathway for English coaches.

 

Horrific miss management. 

They probably hoped Carsley would be the one but seems he was never in contention given Tuchel agreed and accepted the job last week.

 

Would people have been happy with Potter?

 

Guess Howe wasn't realistic. 

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Typically there is a split at the top of the game then?

 

They probably hoped Carsley would be the one but seems he was never in contention given Tuchel agreed and accepted the job last week.

 

Would people have been happy with Potter?

 

Guess Howe wasn't realistic. 

The inference is that Howe wasn't considered suitable because he doesn't have a track record of winning trophies. I suspect the FA looked at the current squad of players and thought, "This squad is capable of winning the World Cup but fell just short of the mark repeatedly under Southgate - do we have an English coach who could take them to the next level?" And when it was clear the answer was no, they decided to recruit somebody from abroad.

[Fox92]

20 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Pundits, fans and journalists slated Southgate for being tactically inept in the one off big games. 

So the FA have hired a man who has done incredibly well tactically in one off big game situations and has spent time working in England, yet he's being picked at for being German

As long as it's not an Argentinian we all should be happy.

[Jon the Hat]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

As long as it's not an Argentinian we all should be happy.

He does have that in his favour.

[VLC86]

Re the FA not speaking to Howe or Potter, the job advert they put out said they wanted someone with a history of Premier League and European success. That probably narrows it down to around 10 manager’s and certainly doesn’t include them.

 

Whether it’s right to appoint Tuchel or not I’m very 50/50, you can’t dispute that on paper he is a very good manager though. 

[dmayne7]

Dreadful. He's falls out with everyone after a few months. Madness having a German (and I say that as somebody who likes Germany, just not when it comes to sport!) and it sends yet another message to English coaches.

 

But above all, this is a guy utterly devoid of class. Turning up to the FA Cup final in a Gilet and a cap says it all. Won't be long before he's slagging somebody off.

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, dmayne7 said:

Dreadful. He's falls out with everyone after a few months. Madness having a German (and I say that as somebody who likes Germany, just not when it comes to sport!) and it sends yet another message to English coaches.

 

But above all, this is a guy utterly devoid of class. Turning up to the FA Cup final in a Gilet and a cap says it all. Won't be long before he's slagging somebody off.

Hi Thomas, I see you won the Champions League with Ben Chilwell in the team? Wow, some achievement but unfortunately you are a scruffy Herbert so we couldn’t possibly employ you.