Next England Manager?

[Nalis]

He's historically been a short term success and a long term failure.

 

Regardless of how the world cup goes I doubt he'll be manager for the following Euros.

[when_you're_smiling]

3 hours ago, Bilo said:

International football requires a skillset that might suit him well. Pragmatism, motivating players for one-off games and working with what you have.

You’re completely right about international managers requiring a different skillset, but disagree about it suiting Tuchal. He tends to fall out with people and it’ll be interesting to see how that goes given the one thing Southgate was undeniably good at was making England more like a club side getting away from the ‘cliques’ that ex-players have said was previously the case.

 

It reeks of how Capello was to be honest.

 

Obviously an infinitely better tactician than Southgate though so hopefully long term I’m wrong and you’re right.

[dmayne7]

42 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

Hi Thomas, I see you won the Champions League with Ben Chilwell in the team? Wow, some achievement but unfortunately you are a scruffy Herbert so we couldn’t possibly employ you.

The same Ben Chilwell who has been England's first choice left back at times? If that was the FA's attitude then they'd be telling Tuchel how shit we are and that qualifying for a tournament major tournament would be an incredible achievement, worthy of a huge bonus?

 

Think you totally missed the point. The guy is a twat, notorious for falling out with everyone. He's a foreign manager (from our biggest rivals) for the national team and he clearly has 0 respect for our traditions, as is evidenced by his attitude to the FA Cup and countless other comments he's made. Unfortunately, being a national team manager, means that there are the political parameters to consider as you're the figurehead of the country. Why do you think John Terry was stripped of the captaincy back in the day, despite being the best choice? Tuchel utterly fails that test.

[VLC86]

33 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

The same Ben Chilwell who has been England's first choice left back at times? If that was the FA's attitude then they'd be telling Tuchel how shit we are and that qualifying for a tournament major tournament would be an incredible achievement, worthy of a huge bonus?

 

Think you totally missed the point. The guy is a twat, notorious for falling out with everyone. He's a foreign manager (from our biggest rivals) for the national team and he clearly has 0 respect for our traditions, as is evidenced by his attitude to the FA Cup and countless other comments he's made. Unfortunately, being a national team manager, means that there are the political parameters to consider as you're the figurehead of the country. Why do you think John Terry was stripped of the captaincy back in the day, despite being the best choice? Tuchel utterly fails that test.

Sorry, was just taking the piss regarding the comment on his dress and non of the other points you mentioned.

[South Shire Fox]

36 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

The same Ben Chilwell who has been England's first choice left back at times? If that was the FA's attitude then they'd be telling Tuchel how shit we are and that qualifying for a tournament major tournament would be an incredible achievement, worthy of a huge bonus?

 

Think you totally missed the point. The guy is a twat, notorious for falling out with everyone. He's a foreign manager (from our biggest rivals) for the national team and he clearly has 0 respect for our traditions, as is evidenced by his attitude to the FA Cup and countless other comments he's made. Unfortunately, being a national team manager, means that there are the political parameters to consider as you're the figurehead of the country. Why do you think John Terry was stripped of the captaincy back in the day, despite being the best choice? Tuchel utterly fails that test.

Are Germany our biggest rivals though? Id say Argentina are personally by a long stretch. Id still rather have Bielsa managing us then any of the shite England has to offer

[South Shire Fox]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

Would Germany appoint a English manager, not a chance.

 

Total failure by the FA and football governing bodies to create a pathway for English coaches.

 

Horrific miss management. 

They wouldnt appoint one because English managers are shite and have won fck all. Where as Germany has a massive pool of managers to pick from. There are actual England fans who would rather we had Steve Bruce over Jurgen Klopp because ones English 😂

[UniFox21]

Neville slagging off English coaching's reputation, probably not helped by his abysmal display as the coach of Valencia.

 

Why would Eddie Howe leave Newcastle? On a stack of money, has a vast amount of money supporting him and is building a strong side. Why leave mid project?  Him and Potter are both unproven at a high level, Potter who has been out of a job for a while now as well. 

 

Who else is there?

[PAULCFC]

Neville really doesn't have any self awareness!

[foxes_rule1978]

8 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Neville slagging off English coaching's reputation, probably not helped by his abysmal display as the coach of Valencia.

 

Why would Eddie Howe leave Newcastle? On a stack of money, has a vast amount of money supporting him and is building a strong side. Why leave mid project?  Him and Potter are both unproven at a high level, Potter who has been out of a job for a while now as well. 

 

Who else is there?

I’m struggling to see who this list of outstanding English candidates are. Let them each come forward with how many trophies they have won at the top level… 

[Samilktray]

53 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

The same Ben Chilwell who has been England's first choice left back at times? If that was the FA's attitude then they'd be telling Tuchel how shit we are and that qualifying for a tournament major tournament would be an incredible achievement, worthy of a huge bonus?

 

Think you totally missed the point. The guy is a twat, notorious for falling out with everyone. He's a foreign manager (from our biggest rivals) for the national team and he clearly has 0 respect for our traditions, as is evidenced by his attitude to the FA Cup and countless other comments he's made. Unfortunately, being a national team manager, means that there are the political parameters to consider as you're the figurehead of the country. Why do you think John Terry was stripped of the captaincy back in the day, despite being the best choice? Tuchel utterly fails that test.

Was that because he was a racist or shagging a team mates missus? 

[Super_horns]

25 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

I’m struggling to see who this list of outstanding English candidates are. Let them each come forward with how many trophies they have won at the top level… 

Let’s be honest - which English manager would fans be happy to have ?

I don’t think anyone would have universally supported tbh .

[AKCJ]

38 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Neville slagging off English coaching's reputation, probably not helped by his abysmal display as the coach of Valencia.

 

Why would Eddie Howe leave Newcastle? On a stack of money, has a vast amount of money supporting him and is building a strong side. Why leave mid project?  Him and Potter are both unproven at a high level, Potter who has been out of a job for a while now as well. 

 

Who else is there?

The England job would be a big pay increase for Howe.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Media, ex players, pundits etc all absolutely gutted they haven't appointed one of their lot. 

 

Embarrassing reaction. Tuchel's knockout record is top tier. We need a winner, not a plucky underdog.

 

Probably more interested in England now than I've ever been, totally onboard.

[Suzie the Fox]

I'm really happy with this, not bothered what his nationality is, aslong as he sets us up to win and plays less boring football than Southgate. 

 

I'm sure if we had better English managers they would have been looked at 1st, but sadly we don't. Would love to see us win a major cup in my lifetime so fingers crossed he is the one. 

[Guest Bilo]

1 hour ago, dmayne7 said:

The same Ben Chilwell who has been England's first choice left back at times? If that was the FA's attitude then they'd be telling Tuchel how shit we are and that qualifying for a tournament major tournament would be an incredible achievement, worthy of a huge bonus?

 

Think you totally missed the point. The guy is a twat, notorious for falling out with everyone. He's a foreign manager (from our biggest rivals) for the national team and he clearly has 0 respect for our traditions, as is evidenced by his attitude to the FA Cup and countless other comments he's made. Unfortunately, being a national team manager, means that there are the political parameters to consider as you're the figurehead of the country. Why do you think John Terry was stripped of the captaincy back in the day, despite being the best choice? Tuchel utterly fails that test.

In terms of falling out with people, I'd say John Terry racially abusing his centre-back partner's brother and shagging his left-back partner's wife was more of an issue. He'd alienated 50% of the defence using his dick and mouth.

[purpleronnie]

20 minutes ago, Bilo said:

In terms of falling out with people, I'd say John Terry racially abusing his centre-back partner's brother and shagging his left-back partner's wife was more of an issue. He'd alienated 50% of the defence using his dick and mouth.

I think there's plenty of england fans wouldn't care about that, but a german manager????...that's beyond the pale.

[Guest Bilo]

42 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Media, ex players, pundits etc all absolutely gutted they haven't appointed one of their lot. 

 

Embarrassing reaction. Tuchel's knockout record is top tier. We need a winner, not a plucky underdog.

 

Probably more interested in England now than I've ever been, totally onboard.

I've been saying for years that a top drawer manager would make all the difference for England.

 

Southgate laid some great foundations and we have undeniably improved during his tenure, but he badly ran out of steam over the last couple of years and he didn't have the expertise to get us over the line in big games.

 

That cannot be said of Tuchel. Even if he only gets it right at one international tournament, winning anything makes him a legend overnight and sends the country into celebration. I'm actually excited for the WC qualifiers and seeing what he builds.

[ajthefox]

14 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

This is going to be a disaster.  Tuchel is pretty crap as top managers go.

What does this mean? He's in the group of top managers, but one of the crap ones?

 

[Leicesterpool]

So would Gary Neville sack Sarina Weigmann despite winning the euros and guiding the lionesses to a world cup final for being not English?

 

Neville is a failure crap coach and was dreadful at international level as a player.

 

So in that guess does that mean the next man United boss must be English... go get Southgate then 😁

Edited 16 October 2024 by Leicesterpool

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

The same Ben Chilwell who has been England's first choice left back at times? If that was the FA's attitude then they'd be telling Tuchel how shit we are and that qualifying for a tournament major tournament would be an incredible achievement, worthy of a huge bonus?

 

Think you totally missed the point. The guy is a twat, notorious for falling out with everyone. He's a foreign manager (from our biggest rivals) for the national team and he clearly has 0 respect for our traditions, as is evidenced by his attitude to the FA Cup and countless other comments he's made. Unfortunately, being a national team manager, means that there are the political parameters to consider as you're the figurehead of the country. Why do you think John Terry was stripped of the captaincy back in the day, despite being the best choice? Tuchel utterly fails that test.

Germany don't care about us. I wish people would stop pushing the whole Germany thing, its forced from us.

 

Our biggest rivals are Argentina. 

[UniFox21]

Listened to his press conference. Some absolutely ridiculous questions asked of him; "describe his personality" "are you going to sing the national anthem" ffs

[Stadt]

Excellent appointment. We have a talented squad as evidenced by the finals and semi-finals appearances.

 

We've been lacking the tactical nous needed to beat slightly better teams, Tuchel has the ability to do that. I'm really pleasantly surprised by the FA here.

Edited 16 October 2024 by Stadt

[Sly]

29 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Germany don't care about us. I wish people would stop pushing the whole Germany thing, its forced from us.

 

Our biggest rivals are Argentina. 

Scotland, Ireland and Wales consider us bigger rivals to be honest.

 

Argentina, like Germany is historically based on stuff outside of football. Anyone 25 and under surely doesn’t see Germany or Argentina as a rival? 

[Sly]

He’s a brilliant appointment on paper, he’s got more about him realistically compared to any available English coach. In reality, no English coach is  good enough. 
 

If they were, they’d be managing a top 6 side. 
 

Who was the last successful English coach at a top 6 side?
 

Howard Wilkinson was the last one to win the league in 1992! 

 

Ron Atkinson - League cup in 1994.

 

Roy Evans - League cup in 1995.

 

Joe Royal - FA cup in 1995.

 

Brian Little - League cup in 1996.

 

Steve McClaren - League cup in 2004.

 

Harry Redknapp - FA cup in 2008.

 

16 years is a long time …… state of affairs? 

[coolhandfox]

People are missing the point its not about Tuchel.

 

It the lack of any clear plan to develop top qulaity English coaches. 

 

Like we did with player development, we need a blue print to develop the next generation of coaches and manager.