US Presidential Election 2024

[Zear0]

5 minutes ago, MPH said:

So Joe Rogan came out and endorsed Trump last night. It’s no big surprise, but young men is one target audience Trump has put a lot of effort into voting and it’s one area that has not participated in early voting much. He’s got millions of followers but I doubt it will make much of a difference on a national scale as I’d imagine most of them were planning on voting for him anyway..

Not sure he needed to announce it, we already knew who he was batting for.

[bovril]

oo remembers hanging chads? 

[stu]

 

[Koke]

Rogan is weird pretending to be a neutral all this time. 

[leicsmac]

15 minutes ago, Koke said:

Rogan is weird pretending to be a neutral all this time. 

If you present abhorrent viewpoints under the umbrella of "freedom of expression", they can should more palatable and there's less blowback if you embrace them. Because, you know, everyone should be free to air their views. 

 

Lucrative for a guy like Rogan, too.

[FoyleFox]

4 hours ago, Torquay Gunner said:

It's not normal that a felon is running for POTUS.  Even without the global implications, I would be heavily slanted towards the other candidate. 

Talking to some Trump supporters on holiday last month and raised this point. In their view, it was 'a couple of business related misdemeanours' and therefore 'not relevant'.

 

Most of them genuinely sounded like they had been brainwashed by a cult. So dismissive of anything negative, or in fact true. All the things he's said which have been proven to be lies, they just deemed irrelevant.

[Sampson]

37 minutes ago, Koke said:

Rogan is weird pretending to be a neutral all this time. 

There’s definitely a trend of the “enlightened centrist” or the “I’m a lefty but” who always defend right wing views and attack the left in many ways over the past decade or so. Rogan and Musk are both definitely part of that.
 

The political centre has been moving gradually to the right since the 1980s in the west really. The right seem to generally much better at the “I’m actually a centrist” shtick to help push the needle further and further right.

[urban.spaceman]

48 minutes ago, Koke said:

Rogan is weird

FTFY

[Daggers]

4 minutes ago, Sampson said:

There’s definitely a trend of the “enlightened centrist” or the “I’m a lefty but” who always defend right wing views and attack the left in many ways over the past decade or so. Rogan and Musk are both definitely part of that.
 

The political centre has been moving gradually to the right since the 1980s in the west really. The right seem to generally much better at the “I’m actually a centrist” shtick to help push the needle further and further right.

Just look at the bigots and fascist apologists on here who claim to be centre or just right of centre. None of them ever own their far right views - always kicking back at the label. I find it odd they can be so offended by the term, makes you wonder what they associate it with.

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, Sampson said:

There’s definitely a trend of the “enlightened centrist” or the “I’m a lefty but” who always defend right wing views and attack the left in many ways over the past decade or so. Rogan and Musk are both definitely part of that.
 

The political centre has been moving gradually to the right since the 1980s in the west really. The right seem to generally much better at the “I’m actually a centrist” shtick to help push the needle further and further right.

As much as there is evidence for this, I think socially (in a few places anyway) progress was being made until the mid 2010s. Someone would barely have dreamt of being able to be out LGBT in society and their workplace 20-30 years ago, now it's mostly accepted, for instance. That's not to say there hasn't been a real attempt by people to backside such societal views in the last few years, though.

[shen]

On 02/11/2024 at 00:16, HighPeakFox said:

I'm not trying to. These people aren't listening to anyone.

They obviously are. They cannot be credited with these inane ideas, opinions and lies themselves. They're being carefully constructed or manipulated.

 

I'm very pessimistic about this and future US and European elections. The targeted dumbing down of people over decades which allows blatant lies, deflections and lack of accountability to go by unnoticed or uncontested is going to take years and years to rectify.

[leicsmac]

Just now, shen said:

They obviously are. They cannot be credited with these inane ideas, opinions and lies themselves. They're being carefully constructed or manipulated.

 

I'm very pessimistic about this and future US and European elections. The targeted dumbing down of people over decades which allows blatant lies, deflections and lack of accountability to go by unnoticed or uncontested is going to take years and years to rectify.

... if the chance ever comes to rectify it, that is, given that such lies, deflections and lack of accountability on scientific matters is likely to be punished witheringly.

[shen]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

... if the chance ever comes to rectify it, that is, given that such lies, deflections and lack of accountability on scientific matters is likely to be punished witheringly.

Oh absolutely, but I'm assuming the pendulum swings back at some point, which it historically always does. Question is how big the damage is by that point.

[EastAnglianFox]

29 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Just look at the bigots and fascist apologists on here who claim to be centre or just right of centre. None of them ever own their far right views - always kicking back at the label. I find it odd they can be so offended by the term, makes you wonder what they associate it with.

😂😂 I forgot we might be stuck with you all night

[st albans fox]

Odds in the U.K. are ever so slightly converging.  Hardly discernible but some of the 6/4 on Harris has now gone and on trump there is more 4/6 available 

Edited 5 November 2024 by st albans fox

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, shen said:

Oh absolutely, but I'm assuming the pendulum swings back at some point, which it historically always does. Question is how big the damage is by that point.

You're spot on there.

 

But now every time that pendulum swings, the future is gambled with it. And the odds keep tilting in the wrong direction each time.

 

 

[ealingfox]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

I don’t think we are in a position to criticise another’s with our system still not up to scratch

 

We definitely are, the US electoral process is staggeringly partisan and corrupt compared to ours. Whether it's produced markedly better outcomes in recent years is another debate.

Edited 5 November 2024 by ealingfox

[Leicesterpool]

Somehow I think Trump might edge it, just think even though there are male anti trump voters some are still some sexist voters and who won't vote for a woman and rather have Trump in charge.. 

[MPH]

45 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Just look at the bigots and fascist apologists on here who claim to be centre or just right of centre. None of them ever own their far right views - always kicking back at the label. I find it odd they can be so offended by the term, makes you wonder what they associate it with.

 

my favorite Tory was Tony Blair..

[shen]

7 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

Somehow I think Trump might edge it, just think even though there are male anti trump voters some are still some sexist voters and who won't vote for a woman and rather have Trump in charge.. 

*Looks at avatar* yes, somehow I think you are right...

[Spiritwalker]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

So Joe Rogan came out and endorsed Trump last night. It’s no big surprise, but young men is one target audience Trump has put a lot of effort into voting and it’s one area that has not participated in early voting much. He’s got millions of followers but I doubt it will make much of a difference on a national scale as I’d imagine most of them were planning on voting for him anyway..

I find the whole celebrity endorsement thing a bit mad, there was girl on the news yesterday who

said she didn’t know anything about politics and she wasn’t going to vote but if Taylor Swift told her 

to vote for Harris then she would.

[shen]

Just now, Spiritwalker said:

I find the whole celebrity endorsement thing a bit mad, there was girl on the news yesterday who

said she didn’t know anything about politics and she wasn’t going to vote but if Taylor Swift told her 

to vote for Harris then she would.

It's what politics has become, purely a popularity contest where political issues are largely irrelevant. Too many people aren't thinking independently, because they simply cannot comprehend most issues or are smitten by the simplicity of red vs blue.

[Trav Le Bleu]

10 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said:

I find the whole celebrity endorsement thing a bit mad, there was girl on the news yesterday who

said she didn’t know anything about politics and she wasn’t going to vote but if Taylor Swift told her 

to vote for Harris then she would.

I wonder who Bez is endorsing?

[urban.spaceman]

Just now on the BBC 

 

“here in Tiny Dixville”  

[bovril]

26 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said:

there was girl on the news yesterday who said she didn’t know anything about politics and she wasn’t going to vote but if Taylor Swift told her to vote for Harris then she would.

Was it Liz Truss?