Cooper - OUT

[Clarkey123]

1 hour ago, hejammy said:

We are getting demolished against Arsenal. Going to be huge. He's got to go. No other option. The guy is a fraud. The players clearly have no clue about what he wants from them. They have no clue about the tactics he wants to implement. We are a joke of a club right now. Stand up Top, if you're not interested anymore then put someone in charge that is. This is unravelling everything good that Vichai had built. I'm embaressed so how is Top, Rudkin and Susan not? Do your bloody jobs! 

They’ve not learned a thing from Rodger’s final season 

[foxile5]

Rangers, Shakey, and big Nige - all good blokes. All had the tin tack at the right time. 

 

The right time is now.

[STUHILL]

I get the feeling that Cooper is a bog standard coach, and not a Manager or leader. 

He doesn't seem capable of setting up a team or making decisions in games. 

The rumours were that he was asking players for how they want to play and this surprised them. 

I don't think he has much belief in his ability and this is why he sets up so cautiously and takes so long to make changes. 

I actually don't mind him as a person, but he just doesn't seem like a Manager with any confidence or a plan. 

There would have to be a huge switch in momentum for him to do well here, and I just can't see it happening. 

I still believe that Top will act sooner than many are predicting, as he was certainly not the first choice and so there were already doubts about him. 

[ozleicester]

With a less than exciting squad we are outside the relegation zone and progressing in the league cup.


What was that NFP quote... "delusions of granduer"

[The_77]

35 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

With a less than exciting squad we are outside the relegation zone and progressing in the league cup.


What was that NFP quote... "delusions of granduer"

Sick, entitled fans expecting the squad to score one goal against Walsall and for expecting a manager to get his players up for the game. 

[Lichfieldfox.]

It's all about expectations. Cooper by all accounts did well at keeping Forest in PL and their fans didn't want him sacked.

He was not in our top 3 targets and many fans would not be ready to accept an ex Forest manager.

He inherited a weaker squad than we had last year and we're looking at a points deduction. 

We had a kind set of fixtures to start with and have played ok but would have expected a win and 4-5 points by now.

He probably needs more time but fans on his back will actually harm the teams confidence, performance and results hence it become a self fulfilling prophecy. 

But fans expect a clear style of play, effort from players and decisive tactical changes in games to positively affect outcomes.

I'm thinking the data analysts need to  really help drive some of those in game tactical decisions that should be made in a more timely manner. Rudkin should be all over this and get Cooper the support needed so we can turn round games. 

Fans want a capable and competent manager and successful team. At present we appear to neither.

[Jattdogg]

3 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

11am tomorrow morning please 

"Club to give free sausages to all fans attending the next home game"

[HoustonFox]

Cooper’s job saved by Danny Ward…   ….first thing he has bloody saved… 

 

Edited 25 September 2024 by HoustonFox

[The Horse's Mouth]

5 hours ago, ozleicester said:

With a less than exciting squad we are outside the relegation zone and progressing in the league cup.


What was that NFP quote... "delusions of granduer"

There is a bit of this, people think we’re way better than we are despite being relegated by a good portion of this squad and if they were good enough they still wouldn’t be here. Not a fan of cooper but think he has come across well, don’t think this was ever an appointment to sure it up and keep us in the league though, this is the kinda appointment you make in March with the idea we’ll if he can’t keep us up he’ll probably get us back up 

[Aus Fox]

4 hours ago, The_77 said:

Sick, entitled fans expecting the squad to score one goal against Walsall and for expecting a manager to get his players up for the game. 

To be fair, we are one of only 4 teams I believe that have scored in every league game so far this season.

 

[Aus Fox]

We need to realise where we are as a team if we are ever going to be moderately happy as a fan base. 
Right now, our only mission is staying in the league. Our squad and best 11 is significantly inferior to the squad that was relegated 2 seasons ago and one of the worst 5 in the league.

This was evident in how poor the team was against Walsall when we rotated.

Whilst I don’t think Cooper is the man we need long term, I still think he’s the right man in the short term.

The goal is, and always was 17th position this season. The way we’ve played so far, I don’t think that’s unrealistic. 
When we have reestablished ourselves and are stable off the pitch, that will be the point we let Cooper go and bring in the man who can ride us up the league again.
It’s a slow process, and as a supporter base we need to be patient.  

[SafewayFox]

6 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

We need to realise where we are as a team if we are ever going to be moderately happy as a fan base. 
Right now, our only mission is staying in the league. Our squad and best 11 is significantly inferior to the squad that was relegated 2 seasons ago and one of the worst 5 in the league.

This was evident in how poor the team was against Walsall when we rotated.

Whilst I don’t think Cooper is the man we need long term, I still think he’s the right man in the short term.

The goal is, and always was 17th position this season. The way we’ve played so far, I don’t think that’s unrealistic. 
When we have reestablished ourselves and are stable off the pitch, that will be the point we let Cooper go and bring in the man who can ride us up the league again.
It’s a slow process, and as a supporter base we need to be patient.  

Genuinely trying to understand this logic (you’re not alone in saying it on here).

 

What about Cooper in his time here or at Forest suggests he will pick up the required points to keep us up?

[ARTY_FOX]

2 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

We need to realise where we are as a team if we are ever going to be moderately happy as a fan base. 
Right now, our only mission is staying in the league. Our squad and best 11 is significantly inferior to the squad that was relegated 2 seasons ago and one of the worst 5 in the league.

This was evident in how poor the team was against Walsall when we rotated.

Whilst I don’t think Cooper is the man we need long term, I still think he’s the right man in the short term.

The goal is, and always was 17th position this season. The way we’ve played so far, I don’t think that’s unrealistic. 
When we have reestablished ourselves and are stable off the pitch, that will be the point we let Cooper go and bring in the man who can ride us up the league again.
It’s a slow process, and as a supporter base we need to be patient.  

What has he shown that makes him the right man short term? 

 

So far it's been absolutley shocking. Saturday was an absolute farce. Everton have been diabolical all over the pitch and we treated them like peps Barcelona. Too scared to press them, too scared to attack them and according to JJ, too shocked they tried to win to defend them. Cooper is no way near good enough. He hasn't got a clue so neither have the players. You talk about accepting where we are as a club but nobody thinks we should challenging for Europe this season. We just know we shouldn't be watching ourselves go into games completely shit scared. Like it or not, we are better than that. 

Edited 25 September 2024 by ARTY_FOX

[foxfanazer]

14 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

We need to realise where we are as a team if we are ever going to be moderately happy as a fan base. 
Right now, our only mission is staying in the league. Our squad and best 11 is significantly inferior to the squad that was relegated 2 seasons ago and one of the worst 5 in the league.

This was evident in how poor the team was against Walsall when we rotated.

Whilst I don’t think Cooper is the man we need long term, I still think he’s the right man in the short term.

The goal is, and always was 17th position this season. The way we’ve played so far, I don’t think that’s unrealistic. 
When we have reestablished ourselves and are stable off the pitch, that will be the point we let Cooper go and bring in the man who can ride us up the league again.
It’s a slow process, and as a supporter base we need to be patient.  

I honestly don't see how anyone who has watched any of our games this season can say he's the right man. Baffling!

[The Doctor]

14 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

We need to realise where we are as a team if we are ever going to be moderately happy as a fan base. 
Right now, our only mission is staying in the league. Our squad and best 11 is significantly inferior to the squad that was relegated 2 seasons ago and one of the worst 5 in the league.

This was evident in how poor the team was against Walsall when we rotated.

Whilst I don’t think Cooper is the man we need long term, I still think he’s the right man in the short term.

The goal is, and always was 17th position this season. The way we’ve played so far, I don’t think that’s unrealistic. 
When we have reestablished ourselves and are stable off the pitch, that will be the point we let Cooper go and bring in the man who can ride us up the league again.
It’s a slow process, and as a supporter base we need to be patient.  

ah yeah, because if you think we should be capable of more than 2 shots on target against league two Walsall you must think we should be qualifying for Europe...

 

the football is trash and if we stay up it will be because three teams were even worse than us, we wouldn't have done everything in our power to stay up. 

[foxfanazer]

18 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

We need to realise where we are as a team if we are ever going to be moderately happy as a fan base. 
Right now, our only mission is staying in the league. Our squad and best 11 is significantly inferior to the squad that was relegated 2 seasons ago and one of the worst 5 in the league.

This was evident in how poor the team was against Walsall when we rotated.

Whilst I don’t think Cooper is the man we need long term, I still think he’s the right man in the short term.

The goal is, and always was 17th position this season. The way we’ve played so far, I don’t think that’s unrealistic. 
When we have reestablished ourselves and are stable off the pitch, that will be the point we let Cooper go and bring in the man who can ride us up the league again.
It’s a slow process, and as a supporter base we need to be patient.  

Are they showing the right games over there in Oz?

[Claudio Fannieri]

I never wanted him here in the first place, much in the same way I never wanted Megson as it felt such an unimaginative, unappealing and underwhelming appointment, all he has done for a good proportion of pre-season and in our competitive games to date is re-endorse to me that this was such a poor decision by the club. 
 

Clearly the players aren’t having him, so if that is the case then why should the fans. He is a championship manager at best, he performed a minor miracle in getting Forest out the Championship and then seemed to struggle in the prem but was fortunate that we decided to pretty much down tools and take the relegation place. 
 

Since he has arrived he has managed at some point to sideline a good proportion of last seasons better players, his tactics are negative and his game management is appalling. 
 

I am ashamed to say in that 2nd half i wouldn’t have been arsed if we had conceded if it meant he was shown the door this morning. This is worse than anything under Puel and sadly on a par with Megsons very short but very hideous tenure. 
 

Get him gone either before or immediately after the Arsenal game but do not give him one more chance at a very winnable fixture as we are highly likely throwing away a golden opportunity to secure much needed points. 

Edited 25 September 2024 by Claudio Fannieri

[Daggers]

The 'give him time' crowd seem to have gone mighty silent with their shitty opinions.

 

 

[Bilo]

Whether or not he is a nice bloke, as I am sure he is, is largely irrelevant. Indeed, being a nice bloke might even be an impediment if he can't overcome his aversion to ruthlessness and stamp his authority on the squad or show any grit.

 

Ranieri is famously one of the nicest blokes in football, but clearly had very high standards and the grit and will to succeed- showcased when he realised early on in the league-winning season when he realised we were leaking goals and it wasn't sustainable, dropping players as appropriate. Nice bloke, but pragmatic when needed. 

 

Indeed, many of the best managers are arrogant, authoritarian and sometimes divisive. It's part of what makes them so driven and determined to succeed; nothing or nobody is allowed to infringe upon their vision and they're willing to butt heads with players, coaches and even owners to get there. They're there to be respected and to show leadership, not to be the players' mate. 

[trooky]

7 hours ago, Larry_LCFC said:

Problem is most other fanbases would make it really, really uncomfortable for the board not to sack a shite manager. We seem to have nothing but a happy clappy fanbase, particularly at the KP, who are seemingly blind to the ineptitude. 

We've already proved what a utterly shit and clueless fanbase we have by booing an outstanding manager after winning 3-1 at home last season.

 

Then demanding he be sacked whilst top of the league after a losing 2 away games.

 

I would say that fanbase has got what it deserves with the appointment of Cooper😂.

 

We've regressed under Rudkin and co into a shit show of a club.

Edited 25 September 2024 by trooky

[sylofox]

53 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

We need to realise where we are as a team if we are ever going to be moderately happy as a fan base. 
Right now, our only mission is staying in the league. Our squad and best 11 is significantly inferior to the squad that was relegated 2 seasons ago and one of the worst 5 in the league.

This was evident in how poor the team was against Walsall when we rotated.

Whilst I don’t think Cooper is the man we need long term, I still think he’s the right man in the short term.

The goal is, and always was 17th position this season. The way we’ve played so far, I don’t think that’s unrealistic. 
When we have reestablished ourselves and are stable off the pitch, that will be the point we let Cooper go and bring in the man who can ride us up the league again.
It’s a slow process, and as a supporter base we need to be patient.  

OK if you are not trying to wind everyone on here up. Can you please explain one thing.

 

WHO the fvck is your drug dealer?

Edited 25 September 2024 by sylofox

[Bilo]

6 minutes ago, trooky said:

We've already proved what a utterly shit and clueless fanbase we have by booing a manager after winning 3-1 at home last season.

 

Then demanding he be sacked whilst top of the league after a losing 2 away games.

 

I would say that fanbase has got what it deserves with the appointment of Cooper😂.

 

We've regressed under Rudkin and co into a shit show of a club.

The problems are inertia and aversion to risks, as seen with their refusal to sack Rodgers when it had clearly stopped working, and an absence of long-term thinking when forced into a decision. 

 

When they have time and space to make the right decision, they actually do OK. See the appointment of Maresca. It may not have been exciting football, but you could see him building a style and squad to play it.

 

With Cooper, they clearly thought about someone they bizarrely deemed a relegation specialist or someone who could get us up in Season Two after getting relegated. They were thinking about, at most, two seasons. If you hire a relegation specialist, that will always be your level. 

 

The next appointment needs to be a long-term appointment with a real style, closer to Maresca's as that's the squad he'll inherit anyway, and given a decent transfer budget in Year Two if we manage to survive so we can rebuild to something like we were only three years ago. But I just don't think the board has the foresight and vision to do it.

[Dames]

This thread is pointless. He’s here until March at the earliest regardless of results or performances because our board are incapable of making a decision. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

He's just not up to it full stop. 

 

Nice bloke but way out of his depth. 

 

It's best for everyone if we get shot of him now and he can go and move on and manage back in the Championship where he belongs.  

 

 

[Pliskin]

He has to gone by the international break at the very latest, where we’re likely to be bottom bar other results. Wait any longer and we will be reliant on a miracle again. If the board couldn’t see the discord in the squad last night, then we may as well pack up and give up.