MPH Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 (edited) 4 hours ago, st albans fox said: People read and interpret in line with their base point. Nothing written in here is going to change that. id like to think that some may appreciate another perspective a little more than they had in the past - not much else. it’s interesting you say that… I have been a staunch supporter of Israel over many years and fully understand their claims to the land.. I also feel they are totally justified in responding to the Hamas and Hezbollah attacks. but some of their actions over the last 12 months have made my skin crawl. Some of their actions should simply not be defended. Edited 14 October 2024 by MPH 1
jgtuk Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 13 minutes ago, MPH said: having read that article I can still say that he’s tried to backtrack but failed to do so. It was still a mistake to call them that. I agree it was a mistake. I also think it was genuinely used in a colloquial way as a way to get heads around the table - who knows, those actions may have helped avoid the slaughter we've witnessed this past year. Anyway, I'm not particularly a Corbyn fan, I just fail to comprehend the hatred for him when he is/was so ineffectual.
lcfcell Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 1 hour ago, SecretPro said: The actions of Israel cannot now be justified by a sane human being. That video doing the rounds on Twitter today has genuinely messed me up. Pure evil. 3
Lionator Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 1 hour ago, SecretPro said: The actions of Israel cannot now be justified by a sane human being. I know that the justification is always that Hamas use these people as human shields, but I think even if that’s proven, the video of Al-Aqsa is beyond reproach. Anyone that defends that imo is devoid of any human feeling or emotion. Only an animal could justify it. 2
Popular Post wurmer Posted 14 October 2024 Popular Post Posted 14 October 2024 1 hour ago, MPH said: it’s interesting you say that… I have been a staunch supporter of Israel over many years and fully understand their claims to the land.. I also feel they are totally justified in responding to the Hamas and Hezbollah attacks. but some of their actions over the last 12 months have made my skin crawl. Some of their actions should simply not be defended. I was exactly the same. Hezbollah & Hamas are scum. The Palestinian people are not. The actions of Israel in the last 12 months and in particular the last few weeks are indefensible. They are the actions of a vengeful out-of-control leadership and not those of a civilised country. 9
Wymsey Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 Possibly more trouble for the BBC.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgk76vxzvjmo
bovril Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 3 hours ago, lcfcell said: That video doing the rounds on Twitter today has genuinely messed me up. Pure evil. Horrors upon horrors. Beyond comprehension. 1
MPH Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 4 hours ago, jgtuk said: I agree it was a mistake. I also think it was genuinely used in a colloquial way as a way to get heads around the table - who knows, those actions may have helped avoid the slaughter we've witnessed this past year. Anyway, I'm not particularly a Corbyn fan, I just fail to comprehend the hatred for him when he is/was so ineffectual. I will say with regards to Corbyn I felt that people were too quick to use the whole antisemitic stick to beat him with. Yes, he had a political persuasion and yes he had an opinion on who the land rightfully belonged to but that still doesn’t mean you have any kind of hatred towards Jews and deny their right to live. just like the word ‘Racist’ . Antisemitism is used far too freely these days.. 1
MPH Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 1 hour ago, Wymsey said: Possibly more trouble for the BBC.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgk76vxzvjmo This is a tricky one… I’d hate to justify any inappropriate behavior.. but I do think standards of behavior are evolving as well peoples education improving both on what is accepted by the accuser and the accused.. I also think some comments can be considered foolhardy and without any sexual deviance. if more comes to lighter and deeper darker things have happened then that will be the time to be angry about it
Free Falling Foxes Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 6 hours ago, MPH said: it’s interesting you say that… I have been a staunch supporter of Israel over many years and fully understand their claims to the land.. I also feel they are totally justified in responding to the Hamas and Hezbollah attacks. but some of their actions over the last 12 months have made my skin crawl. Some of their actions should simply not be defended. I'm reminded of something an old colleague of mine used to say: If two wrongs don't make a right, try 3 wrongs, or 4....... That seems to be Israel's approach. 1
jgtuk Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 Excellent verdict. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/oct/14/anti-zionist-beliefs-worthy-respect-uk-tribunal-finds-israel
bovril Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 5 hours ago, jgtuk said: Anyway, I'm not particularly a Corbyn fan, I just fail to comprehend the hatred for him when he is/was so ineffectual. I think with social media people like to link everything back to their own pet peeve, like people going on about US college campuses or Jeremy Corbyn in response to atrocities in Gaza. Another way this medium has made us all more narcissistic. I'm probably guilty of this myself. 1
Popular Post Trav Le Bleu Posted 14 October 2024 Popular Post Posted 14 October 2024 21 minutes ago, jgtuk said: Excellent verdict. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/oct/14/anti-zionist-beliefs-worthy-respect-uk-tribunal-finds-israel The state of Israel can't hide behind antisemitism. It's like saying hating Nazism is hating Germans. 6
MPH Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 38 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said: I'm reminded of something an old colleague of mine used to say: If two wrongs don't make a right, try 3 wrongs, or 4....... That seems to be Israel's approach. If someone is wrong, be wronger! 1
SecretPro Posted 14 October 2024 Posted 14 October 2024 2 hours ago, jgtuk said: Excellent verdict. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/oct/14/anti-zionist-beliefs-worthy-respect-uk-tribunal-finds-israel Sense prevails 1
WigstonWanderer Posted 15 October 2024 Posted 15 October 2024 13 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: The state of Israel can't hide behind antisemitism. It's like saying hating Nazism is hating Germans. Or criticising Putin’s gangster state is anti-Russian 3
Bellend Sebastian Posted 15 October 2024 Posted 15 October 2024 2 hours ago, Daggers said: Oh well Strength Through Joy LOLZ 3
Jon the Hat Posted 15 October 2024 Posted 15 October 2024 22 hours ago, Tommy G said: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/oct/12/eton-among-elite-private-schools-set-to-cash-in-on-windfall-from-new-vat-rules Another ill thought out policy going from bad to worse, coupled with the exodous from private schools being double compared to what was initially expected. So net net, this is looking like it will cost the Government more money than it will actually generate. The Guardian is even turning on them! It really stupid. Poltics of envy. Labour just making themselve look stupid.
Lionator Posted 15 October 2024 Posted 15 October 2024 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: It really stupid. Poltics of envy. Labour just making themselve look stupid. That is frustrating and damning of badly thought out policy, even if the overall rationale behind it, are in my opinion correct both morally and in terms of giving opportunity. It’s not the policy of envy, I personally support the idea behind the policy and would’ve hated to go to private school. Policy of envy is just a political tagline to taint the left. Edited 15 October 2024 by Lionator 4
Popular Post Daggers Posted 15 October 2024 Author Popular Post Posted 15 October 2024 The longer people whine about having to pay tax on their luxury product the funnier it continues to get. Suck it up, buttercups, your boo-hoos change nothing. 7
BKLFox Posted 15 October 2024 Posted 15 October 2024 Is going after employers for more NI in the budget a good idea also? Surely the self employed still trying to get back on their feet won’t welcome this and I fear this could lead to wide spread redundancy within those larger corporations who are all about the bottom line, could be another own goal. 3
MPH Posted 15 October 2024 Posted 15 October 2024 15 minutes ago, BKLFox said: Is going after employers for more NI in the budget a good idea also? Surely the self employed still trying to get back on their feet won’t welcome this and I fear this could lead to wide spread redundancy within those larger corporations who are all about the bottom line, could be another own goal. I feel like employers will simply pass that cost onto the employees via a much slower pay rise rate.. 2
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