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[Parafox]

1 hour ago, Wymsey said:

If the person from DWP or whoever genuinely cares about the individual, feels like employment can actually enhance the patient's wellbeing and makes the patient to feel valued then can't see why it's a fully bad idea.

 

I'm sorry mate, this is laughable.

 

They're target driven not compassion or care driven.

 

If they can show a target has been reached they have done their job.

 

"Next Please. Ah, I see you haven't been assessed in the last x months. Book an appointment for an assessment, in the meantime, your benefits will be reduced to the minimum until you can provide proof of your entitlement.

 

Oh yes, in the meantime you can access foodbanks if your struggling. You will need to have access to the internet in order to complete the necessary forms. What?. You don't have a PC or an internet compatible phone? Well, you'll need to go to a library or other place where you can get online. Sorry, no we don't do actual paper forms anymore. Do you have anyone who can get online for you? Great, in that case they will have to register their details before they can get your permission to act on your behalf.. Sorry, that's the regulations, "

 

"Caring" doesn't come into it. 

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Been helping a close mate in the uk since Easter with mental health issues. He’s not a danger to himself or others tho. He’s been in the system since then and I must say the service has been superb. Bi-weekly home visits, specialist consultant appts, advice, prescriptions. Called the crisis line twice in the middle of a weekend night and they’ve spoken to him for hours. He’s clearly a minor case with so much family/friend support and he’s had this much attention. Hats off to the nhs in this case, incredible 

the way the bbc article is talking, it's going to people who are in mental health hospitals, not out patients like your mate.

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, Parafox said:

 

I'm sorry mate, this is laughable.

 

They're target driven not compassion or care driven.

 

If they can show a target has been reached they have done their job.

 

"Next Please. Ah, I see you haven't been assessed in the last x months. Book an appointment for an assessment, in the meantime, your benefits will be reduced to the minimum until you can provide proof of your entitlement.

 

Oh yes, in the meantime you can access foodbanks if your struggling. You will need to have access to the internet in order to complete the necessary forms. What?. You don't have a PC or an internet compatible phone? Well, you'll need to go to a library or other place where you can get online. Sorry, no we don't do actual paper forms anymore. Do you have anyone who can get online for you? Great, in that case they will have to register their details before they can get your permission to act on your behalf.. Sorry, that's the regulations, "

 

"Caring" doesn't come into it. 

This is very typical, but to claim that no one cares, not a soul is a fallacious belief. They do exist, weighed down by the bureaucrats who measured in cold numbers rather than quantities that have no measure. Some real golden souls trying their best under the auspices of middle management that won't get a bonus with every box ticked, not to mention the people who needlessly invent the boxes to justify their employment, fearful that one day people might wake up to the plethora of non-jobs.

 

They try to do their job properly, but are beaten down at every step by underfunding (though they will be told otherwise, as will the public), told they must fulfill certain criteria within a certain time which is actually impossible to do properly, so they get as close as possible, without cutting too many corners, so as to avoid the withering judgement of their employers.

 

Poor service is rarely caused by the front facing staff.

 

 

[Tommy G]

Apparently Liam Payne has died after falling from a balcony in Argentina.

[StanSP]

Shame to hear about Brendan O'Carroll not being cancelled. 

[Lionator]

3 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Apparently Liam Payne has died after falling from a balcony in Argentina.

Damn that’s sad, he’s only 31. I know people had been worried about his mental state for a good while. 

[Wymsey]

18 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Shame to hear about Brendan O'Carroll not being cancelled. 

'Toe-curling' comedy..

[Lionator]

3 hours ago, Wymsey said:

If the person from DWP or whoever genuinely cares about the individual, feels like employment can actually enhance the patient's wellbeing and makes the patient to feel valued then can't see why it's a fully bad idea.

I feel like there’s a bit of a pile on here against you so I just wanted to say that I can see where you’re coming from. However the reality of the system is that it’s purely about saving money from the economy in the short term. If it was about people’s genuine wellbeing, it would come out of the NHS budget or department of health. The DWP since the Blair years (read layard report) has been all about coercing vulnerable people back into work. The talking therapies/IAPT service, the only thing commissioners are interested in is getting people back to work and off of benefits, and getting as many people through the system as possible. The people that work for those services are so exhausted that they cannot give a person the compassion they need. 
 

Now if we actually decided to make long term investments into people as a state, then we could give a person the resources to manage their mental health better (access to treatment, secure housing, adequate welfare support, lack of fear of sanction) which in the long run would increase their chances of finding and maintaining employment that can add to their overall esteem and wellbeing. 

Edited 16 October 2024 by Lionator

[Wymsey]

33 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Damn that’s sad, he’s only 31. I know people had been worried about his mental state for a good while. 

Could his fame been a factor somewhat?

 

In the past couple of years, have heard/read quite a few celebrities opening up about past and current mental health challenges.

 

Still find Robin William's case quite upsetting.

 

[HankMarvin]

Sad news for a young man

 

[HankMarvin]

17 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Could his fame been a factor somewhat?

 

In the past couple of years, have heard/read quite a few celebrities opening up about past and current mental health challenges.

 

Still find Robin William's case quite upsetting.

 

His was on flaky ground anyway last few years, recently split up with ex something about an abortion and a restraining order 

 

edit 

she was publicly speaking out on a podcast yesterday how he used to threaten her with death 

Edited 16 October 2024 by HankMarvin

[EastAnglianFox]

Jesus, 31 years old with seemingly everything and a beautiful young son.

 

Rest in peace young man….what awful news

 

[Super_horns]

Very sad .

RIP

Sounds like drink might have been involved and he fell tragically.

Must have been a high 3rd floor hotel to die instantly it seems .

 

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

Shame to hear about Brendan O'Carroll not being cancelled. 

I've made a few contacts in the industry over the last few days and I can confirm, on extremely good authority, that Brendan O'Carroll is not, and never has been, a comedian.

 

Hope that clears it up and puts the rumours to bed.

[Nalis]

3 hours ago, Lionator said:

Damn that’s sad, he’s only 31. I know people had been worried about his mental state for a good while. 

Sad and far too young.

 

I saw a lot of shit being said about him on X, FB and IG when he made an appearance from one of the corporate boxes at a Niall Horan concert. 

 

No doubt the same people will be tweeting to 'be kind'.

[foxy boxing]

3 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Apparently Liam Payne has died after falling from a balcony in Argentina.

Really sad news, you fall from a balcony you are only going in one direction!.

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Sad and far too young.

 

I saw a lot of shit being said about him on X, FB and IG when he made an appearance from one of the corporate boxes at a Niall Horan concert. 

 

No doubt the same people will be tweeting to 'be kind'.

I have no idea how anyone deals with that level of fame from 16 years old.  Amazing any of them are alive and sane.

[Bert]

Shocking news. Young age and leaves a young son behind. Thats heartbreaking. 

[urban.spaceman]

Honestly can't understand this Liam Payne story. Sounds like a tragic accident but appeared to be being reported worldwide within literally minutes of his most recent social media posts. Had he been live-streaming? In those posts he'd seemed quite lucid,  but then the BBC seemed to be suggesting that the Argentinian police had been responding to reports of someone behaving aggressively and under the influence. Honestly an awful thing to happen, to someone so young, with such a young child. I only hope the authorities had the opportunity to notify his family win private before the rest of the world found out. Absolutely harrowing. 

[Lionator]

32 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Honestly can't understand this Liam Payne story. Sounds like a tragic accident but appeared to be being reported worldwide within literally minutes of his most recent social media posts. Had he been live-streaming? In those posts he'd seemed quite lucid,  but then the BBC seemed to be suggesting that the Argentinian police had been responding to reports of someone behaving aggressively and under the influence. Honestly an awful thing to happen, to someone so young, with such a young child. I only hope the authorities had the opportunity to notify his family win private before the rest of the world found out. Absolutely harrowing. 

Those snapchats were posted after the incident had happened. Apparently it’s a done thing for celebs to have scheduled posts. 

[RowlattsFox]

Can't believe he was only 31  

Another sad story from the entertainment industry. Generic question, and I'm sure there are many reasons but Why do so many stars, particularly if they are involved from a young age, turn to drugs and go crazy, compared to say sports people who also work under extreme pressure and sacrifices. 

 

Feels like if you don't start 'settling down' and making a family by your 30 you are at risk of going off the rails. Generalisation point I know. 

 

 

[Zear0]

20 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Can't believe he was only 31  

Another sad story from the entertainment industry. Generic question, and I'm sure there are many reasons but Why do so many stars, particularly if they are involved from a young age, turn to drugs and go crazy, compared to say sports people who also work under extreme pressure and sacrifices. 

 

Feels like if you don't start 'settling down' and making a family by your 30 you are at risk of going off the rails. Generalisation point I know. 

 

 

Imagine spending most of your year stuck in hotel rooms, bored, with access to money and surrounded by exploitative people doesn't contribute to a healthy environment for your wellbeing. Footballers have all the wealth, but still have a home environment and don't have the celebrity pushers hanging off them. 

 

Sad news but painfully predictable given recent reports of his wellbeing. 

[Bert]

2 hours ago, Lionator said:

Those snapchats were posted after the incident had happened. Apparently it’s a done thing for celebs to have scheduled posts. 

Yeah, your average Joe can schedule posts on Facebook. It’s what I plan to do if I ever fall terminally ill, freak some people out.  

[Bert]

43 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Can't believe he was only 31  

Another sad story from the entertainment industry. Generic question, and I'm sure there are many reasons but Why do so many stars, particularly if they are involved from a young age, turn to drugs and go crazy, compared to say sports people who also work under extreme pressure and sacrifices. 

 

Feels like if you don't start 'settling down' and making a family by your 30 you are at risk of going off the rails. Generalisation point I know. 

 

 

Boredom? Missing the thrill of what they once had? The industry as well has a big part to play. Partying with other people in similar circumstances, take some party drugs or whatever. It’s a slippery slope. 

[grobyfox1990]

52 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Can't believe he was only 31  

Another sad story from the entertainment industry. Generic question, and I'm sure there are many reasons but Why do so many stars, particularly if they are involved from a young age, turn to drugs and go crazy, compared to say sports people who also work under extreme pressure and sacrifices. 

 

Feels like if you don't start 'settling down' and making a family by your 30 you are at risk of going off the rails. Generalisation point I know. 

 

 

Sports stars are elite athletes, robots rather than humans, it's an extreme style of living. Every aspect of their day to day life is controlled. If they don't follow this way of life like fatso Kalvin Phillips they are no longer sports stars. Entertainment people are artists and creatives that should not be controlled if they are to reach the top.

Nothing to do with settling down or home life, you have to have immense discipline to stay at the top in sport. A 'disciplined' artist who settled down doesn't sound like someone who can sell records.