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Premier League 2024/25

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foxfanazer

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It's crazy that the likes of Brentford and Bournemouth are properly established premier league clubs now. And on the whole they play good football.

 

This is another reason why the "who are we gonna replace our manager with" argument falls flat. There are plenty of quality coaches out there 

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foxes_rule1978

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Just now, foxfanazer said:

It's crazy that the likes of Brentford and Bournemouth are properly established premier league clubs now. And on the whole they play good football.

Football changes, brighton are especially good 

Wasyls Pec Deck

Wasyls Pec Deck

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Pep has achieved a lot you can’t deny that. But he has been at the best clubs domestically and arguably in Europe at the time. And he hasn’t really dominated Europe with his sides (after doing well in Europe with Barca).
 

With the cheating at Man City, and the fact he’s not yet had relative success with a Stoke or a West Brom, I’m also posing the question as to whether he’s just a cheque book manager. Could he do it - or have relative success - with limited resources? We don’t know, so the jury will always be a out - a tad.

 

Also consider whether Pep is just a bald Russell Martin? Genuinely, Martin’s methods are similar and will not work with the likes of Southampton (like Kompany at Burnley last season). Put Russell Martin in charge at Man City (god forbid he’d be even more insufferable than he is now) and I think you may see the same results. 

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FOXSE

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1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Pep has achieved a lot you can’t deny that. But he has been at the best clubs domestically and arguably in Europe at the time. He hasn’t really dominated Europe with his sides (after doing well in Europe with Barca).
 

With the cheating at Man City, and the fact he’s not yet had relative success with a Stoke or a West Brom, I’m also posing the question as to whether he’s just a cheque book manager. Could he do it - or have relative success - with limited resources?

 

Also consider whether Pep is just a bald Russell Martin? Genuinely, Martin’s methods are similar and will not work with the likes of Southampton (like Kompany at Burnley last season). Put Russell Martin in charge at Man City (god forbid he’d be even more insufferable than he is now) and I think you may see the same results. 

That's going to be the chant when we play them! 'You're just a bald Russell martin, bald Russell martin, you're just a bald Russell martin...'

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RowlattsFox

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2 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Pep has achieved a lot you can’t deny that. But he has been at the best clubs domestically and arguably in Europe at the time. He hasn’t really dominated Europe with his sides (after doing well in Europe with Barca).
 

With the cheating at Man City, and the fact he’s not yet had relative success with a Stoke or a West Brom, I’m also posing the question as to whether he’s just a cheque book manager. Could he do it - or have relative success - with limited resources?

 

Also consider whether Pep is just a bald Russell Martin? Genuinely, Martin’s methods are similar and will not work with the likes of Southampton (like Kompany at Burnley last season). Put Russell Martin in charge at Man City (god forbid he’d be even more insufferable than he is now) and I think you may see the same results. 

For me this is simplifying it to much, and also underestimating how difficult being consistently successful. I may be wrong but I'd put my mortgage on Russell Martin not winning as many league titles with the same resources. 

 

Whilst I agree Pep has never had to manage a lower based team and try to implement his style, and probably never will but for me that shouldn't diminish his achievements. 

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rugbyblue

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1 hour ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Wenger built a team several times over and so did Fergie..  yeah I hate both teams but those are proper mangers.. pep just had a chequebook and used it well… not near wenger or Ferguson in terms of ability in my view 

Agree 100%.

They were also the boss, not just in name.  I doubt they would allow interference from other parts of the club regarding training, tactics, player selection etc.

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Mickyblueeyes

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1 hour ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

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At Barca he promoted Pique, Busquets, Iniesta, Pedro. He sold Ronaldhino and made Messi the main man - Messi already part of the team but very much part of 3 with Ronaldhino and Eto’o with the latter being the main man. He took big decisions to dispose of Deco, Ronaldinho, Eto’o, Sylvinho, Giuly, Gudjohnsen, Zambrotta, Thuram, Toure etc. He then progressed a team built around youth products into one of the greatest footballing sides ever. That’s after dismantling a pretty successful Rijkhard team. 

 

With hindsight they looked like easy decisions but back then, it took a lot of balls. Especially as a former reserve team coach with no real experience. He very much built that team with promoting a golden generation.
 

He is a successful manager who has managed teams who have significant financial resources but his ability to dominate despite his competitors has been excellent. At Barca he faced a strong Real side managed by prime Mourinho as well as Atletico and Simeone. At Man City he’s faced a very talented Liverpool and Klopp. To dominate in those circumstances.

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Torquay Gunner

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Delighted that Man City are on this run, annoyed that we have also been crap so can’t take advantage of it. Too be honest some of our recent football much like Man City has been difficult to watch.  I have been more entertained by teams like Brighton and Fulham, who play some lovely attacking football. 

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Miquel The Work Geordie

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Alex Ferguson famously a saint who never moaned and never whipped out the cheque book not like fraud Guardiola who moans and whips out the cheque book sorry fraud for me always said it fraud not even managed in Vanarama so how do we know hes good fraud for me imo

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foxfanazer

foxfanazer

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1 minute ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Delighted that Man City are on this run, annoyed that we have also been crap so can’t take advantage of it. Too be honest some of our recent football much like Man City has been difficult to watch.  I have been more entertained by teams like Brighton and Fulham, who play some lovely attacking football. 

I've never been convinced by Arteta in all honesty. Seems to get away with it for some reason but don't see him winning anything major at Arsenal 

Torquay Gunner

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2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I've never been convinced by Arteta in all honesty. Seems to get away with it for some reason but don't see him winning anything major at Arsenal 

We were crying out for a proper clinical striker last season and he didn't get one.  He again didn't buy one for this season and we have been left with Jesus and Havertz who are just not good enough.  He has Wenger’s arrogance, but unlike him is not going to win us major trophies. 

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Wasyls Pec Deck

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47 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

We were crying out for a proper clinical striker last season and he didn't get one.  He again didn't buy one for this season and we have been left with Jesus and Havertz who are just not good enough.  He has Wenger’s arrogance, but unlike him is not going to win us major trophies. 

Those clips of him in the dressing room shouting at people as well. He just comes across as a pillock. And he’s got Lego hair 

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Nalis

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2 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

It's crazy that the likes of Brentford and Bournemouth are properly established premier league clubs now. And on the whole they play good football.

 

This is another reason why the "who are we gonna replace our manager with" argument falls flat. There are plenty of quality coaches out there 

The flip side is that they, like most of the league, are one bad managerial appointment away from being relegated

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foxfanazer

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3 minutes ago, Nalis said:

The flip side is that they, like most of the league, are one bad managerial appointment away from being relegated

Maybe, although the gap between the premier league and the championship seems to be getting bigger every season. High chance that all 3 promoted sides go down yet again

murphy

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Tell you who else is a fraud, that Isaac Newton.  I mean that apple could have fallen on anybody's head.

 

Shakespeare.  Absolute fraud.  Didn't even write in proper English, no car chases, nothing.  Fraud!

 

Einstein.  Fraud!  E=MC2?  I reckon he was just eating alphabetti spaghetti and got lucky.  Couldn't even comb his own hair.

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Vlad the Fox

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1 minute ago, murphy said:

Tell you who else is a fraud, that Isaac Newton.  I mean that apple could have fallen on anybody's head.

 

Shakespeare.  Absolute fraud.  Didn't even write in proper English, no car chases, nothing.  Fraud!

 

Einstein.  Fraud!  E=MC2?  I reckon he was just eating alphabetti spaghetti and got lucky.  Couldn't even comb his own hair.

Helped write one of the best sporting stories the world has ever seen mind.

 

 

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Samilktray

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3 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

Alex Ferguson famously a saint who never moaned and never whipped out the cheque book not like fraud Guardiola who moans and whips out the cheque book sorry fraud for me always said it fraud not even managed in Vanarama so how do we know hes good fraud for me imo

Fraudiola? More like Fraud-pass out from the back-iola lmao just a silly joke sorry 

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