Steve Cooper SACKED! OFFICIAL!

[shen]

8 hours ago, sylofox said:

 

I'm not getting these reactions. This just proves how useless our owner is. Waste 2 whole weeks then sack the manager and people think it's good news. All this does for me is prove how useless the club management are

Oh I'm not praising, I'm thanking. Compare to how long it took to fire Rodgers (between 6-12+ months overdue imo), I really wasn't expecting management to pull the trigger this 'soon'.

We may have a fighting chance now, provided we don't make another dreadful appointment.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

How many times… his connection to Forest wasn’t the problem. Games and performances like at Walsall were the problem, and if this is true what a low level of expectation he must have had. Just really odd. We were dogshit for large parts of pretty much all games this season. What do you do when you step in dogshit? You get rid of it. 

[Stadt]

1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

How many times… his connection to Forest wasn’t the problem. Games and performances like at Walsall were the problem, and if this is true what a low level of expectation he must have had. Just really odd. We were dogshit for large parts of pretty much all games this season. What do you do when you step in dogshit? You get rid of it. 

Draws 0-0 with League 2 side after an abysmal performance. “Wow, these guys don’t like my Forest connection do they?”

 

The man is a moron. Berating refs when we’re outshot by 13 efforts everyweek too.

[shen]

1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

How many times… his connection to Forest wasn’t the problem. Games and performances like at Walsall were the problem, and if this is true what a low level of expectation he must have had. Just really odd. We were dogshit for large parts of pretty much all games this season. What do you do when you step in dogshit? You get rid of it. 

Yeah, the Forest connection is way way way overemphasized. Besides, when have these owners listened to the fans anyway? It will not have meant the least in his sacking. It was clear as day for anyone with one set of eyes that we were poorly coached.

[Nick]

Cooper hampered by Forest historypublished at 15:04

15:04

Nick Mashiter
BBC Sport football news reporter

IMAGE SOURCE, GETTY IMAGES

Leicester fans could not see beyond Steve Cooper's Nottingham Forest past, according to Matt Davis, vice chairman of the Foxes Trust.

The 44-year-old was dismissed on Sunday after just 157 days in charge having replaced Enzo Maresca in the summer.

It was his first role since leaving Forest in December after just over two years at the City Ground.

Cooper took Forest back to the Premier League for the first time in 23 years in 2022, keeping them up in 2022-23 before being replaced by Nuno Espirito Santo.

The ex-Swansea manager also accepts his relationship with the fans was not there because of his Forest background, sources have told BBC Sport, with Davis admitting it was a struggle from the start.

Davis said: "He would never win some fans over because of the Forest connection, others would give him less time because of the Forest connection and others didn’t think he had what it took.

"Events with Cooper had the focus and the vast majority of fans were pleased the decision was swiftly made.

"I couldn’t see success coming with Cooper."

 

 

WHY IS MATT DAVIS VICE CHAIR OF THE FOXES TRUST SAYING THE FANS WANTED HIM GONE BECAUSE OF HIS FOREST ROOTS?

[Chelmofox]

Couldn't have given a toss about Forest, only that his PL record there was woeful when you consider the resources he was given. The job was there for him to prove anyone who gave a toss about Forest that it wasn't a problem either.

 

I only go to home games, but never heard anyone whinging about Forest. Its being massively overplayed.

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

12 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

How many times… his connection to Forest wasn’t the problem. Games and performances like at Walsall were the problem, and if this is true what a low level of expectation he must have had. Just really odd. We were dogshit for large parts of pretty much all games this season. What do you do when you step in dogshit? You get rid of it. 

I couldnt care less of your connection to Forest mate. I was however shocked at your inability to understand why we kept conceding goals down the right side. 

[Corky]

4 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

The "but they're not in the relegation zone! Where do they think they should be!!!! Entitled or what !" set not only fails to take into account just how pathetically bad we've been in every single game, but also completely ignores the clearly substantiated rumours that the players simply didn't like Cooper or his methods. 

 

A bit of friction is fine (probably healthy) when you're flying, but we're not in a position where we can afford to have people actively pulling in different directions. 

We should be on 5 points and had several thumpings. We have been shocking and, as you say, no matter what us entitled lot think, the players aren't having him so there is nowhere for the manager to go but out the door.

[Free Falling Foxes]

26 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I couldnt care less of your connection to Forest mate. I was however shocked at your inability to understand why we kept conceding goals down the right side. 

I've no idea how to do a poll on FT but it would be interesting to know how many on here disliked SC purely for the Forest connection.

Personally, I dont know a single fan who thinks that, yet pundits and even supporter groups say it played a part.

I think not.

Edited 25 November 2024 by Free Falling Foxes

[Happy Fox]

Just now, Free Falling Foxes said:

I've no idea how to do a poll on FT but it would be interesting to know how many on here disliked SC purely for the Forest connection.

Personally, I dont know a single fan who thinks that, yet pundits and even supporteer groups say it played a part.

I think not.

 

No it was just the fact it was a shite appointment, he was on Burnley's managerial short list before they appointed Scott Parker, he's nowhere near premier league managerial standard.

[CosbehFox]

Personally I did dislike him because of the Forest stuff. He lapped up all their bizarre tropes. Wore Paul Smith to games. Alongside a load of other nonsense. The blokes a bloody fool if it didn’t think the rivalry would affect him. He saw a Leicester fan punch one of his Forest players FFS

[davieG]

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-coopers-downfall-suggests-leicester-9743109

 

Steve Cooper's downfall suggests Leicester City hierarchy don't know their own club
The inside story of Cooper's short Leicester City tenure, and how it shows the club have learned a lesson, but in turn admitted a mistake they should not have made

ByJordan Blackwell
14:36, 25 NOV 2024

In acting quickly to sack Steve Cooper, Leicester City have learned their lesson but also admitted a mistake. The decision came out of the blue. The objective for this season is to avoid sinking back into the Championship and Cooper was so far keeping City’s heads above water, the club sitting a point above the bottom three.

But they feared a Brendan Rodgers repeat. In 2022/23, they stood by the Northern Irishman until they fell into the relegation zone, and by then it was too late.

In fairness, City did improve in the autumn under Rodgers. It’s those improvements that the City hierarchy could not foresee under Cooper. With the nature of the performances, they felt City could slide into the bottom three in the very near future, and they weren’t willing to wait for that.

 

In 2023, Dean Smith had eight games to save City. If a new manager is appointed this week, they will have 26 fixtures to earn City’s survival. The hierarchy arguably deserve credit for learning from a past mistake, this time giving a replacement enough time to turn things around.

But equally, in sacking Cooper so soon suggests they made the wrong decision in the first place. They certainly gave him a difficult hand.

A struggle to connect with both the players and the supporters has been cited as a reason behind Cooper’s dismissal, but City did not help him. While Enzo Maresca’s exit could not be predicted, the club had to recognise his popularity within the squad. Finding a new manager who could win the players over had to be a priority, so as not to disillusion them.

In Maresca, they had a template for the type of manager the majority of the squad liked. Cooper is less prescriptive and less strict, but also less tactically intense, asking players to take more responsibility on the pitch rather than adhere to instructions by the letter. They’re not the same type of manager.

 

With the fans, there was the Nottingham Forest issue too. It was not insurmountable – previous Forest icons like Martin O’Neill and Wes Morgan managed to endear themselves at City – but it was another obstacle. Cooper would have to do more than the average manager to get the supporters onside.

He was determined to do that and, despite his success at the City Ground, wanted to totally put his tenure at Forest to bed. Behind the scenes at City, Forest were referred to as “the other place” by Cooper and his staff as they tried to cut ties with their connection from the club by not even mentioning the name.

While his synonymy with Forest made it tougher to get City fans behind him, Cooper was not helped that the club themselves had alienated supporters. The issues around matchday prices and season-ticket charges were of huge frustration to supporters, with many saying it exacerbated their feelings of disconnect from the club.

That’s hardly ideal for building a strong home atmosphere. At ‘the other place’, it was a cauldron during their first season back in the Premier League and was a big factor in their path to survival.

Further problems affected City’s preparations. The pre-season campaign was slapdash and had to be hastily put together after Maresca vetoed plans to head to the US.

Transfers fell through at the last minute, notably for Czech forward Adam Hlozek. But there were also question marks over the process as a whole.

A new striker was craved and a bid of more than £20m was made for an out-and-out number nine in Panathinaikos’s Fotis Ioannidis. When that was rejected, instead of returning with another offer or approaching a different target, City put a pause on their striker hunt, instead waiting until deadline day and plumping for an opportunistic loan of Odsonne Edouard.

What Cooper did get were his experienced players as City deviated from the transfer norm, with older heads and Premier League know-how valued more highly than usual. Bobby De Cordova-Reid and Jordan Ayew, both in their 30s, were signed, and City’s squad now has more Premier League games under their belt than seven other clubs. They’d be even higher up the list if Cooper had succeeded in bringing in Tottenham defender Ben Davies, a summer target that City could have returned for in January.

On paper, Cooper’s broad tactical approach felt like the right one. He appreciated the success of last season but wanted to make the gameplan more robust, so as to deal with the step up in quality. In terms of the shape, he did not veer too far away from the blueprint drawn up by Maresca. But there was an attempt to be more pragmatic so as to avoid repeating Burnley, where a dedication to the style only saw them go down with a whimper.

 

 

However, while there was a tactical plan, it did not come through enough for fans to see it. They often questioned if there was an identity at all. City were over-coached at times under Maresca, to the point that supporters complained of being bored, but it was always clear what they were trying to do.

It is more difficult for an identity to be overt when a side is having less of the ball – albeit City managed it in 2015/16 – and naturally City were unlikely to be able to keep possession as they had done in the second tier. But it also felt like they were too willing to give it away.

In too many matches, City players lumped the ball forward aimlessly. Whether that was intentional or not, it reflected badly on Cooper. Either the players were doing it under instruction, or they were not confident enough in his tactics to attempt anything else.

It only emphasised the feeling that City were playing with an inferiority complex. At Forest, having earned credit by taking the club out of the Championship and into the Premier League for the first time in 20 years, Cooper was able to play that way and still have the backing of fans. At City, where there are greater expectations and the novelty of being in the Premier League has worn off, that didn’t cut it with supporters.

Prior to joining, Cooper had a statistical analysis of the City squad conducted, with the data showing the squad ranked in the Premier League’s bottom three in most departments. His approach to matches sometimes reflected that.

But the players didn’t agree with that standing. With the way they had played in the Championship, they did not want to be a defensive side. Some players were less than enthused with the tactics and a couple were dropped during the season for failing to follow instructions, instead playing their own game. Cooper in particular wanted the senior players to show more responsibility for their individual displays, with younger players more willing to own up to mistakes and poor performances.

Leicester City were second best against Chelsea to suffer their sixth Premier League defeat of the season (Image: Michael Regan)
The squad as a whole were simply not as happy as they were last season. But the video from their Christmas party in Copenhagen, while pre-approved by the club and the timing unfortunate, does not make for a good look. They don’t come out of this scot-free either.

While there were concerns in the hierarchy before Saturday’s game, a defeat to former manager Maresca tipped the scales. Even though Chelsea possess a much more expensively-assembled team, the gulf in the levels of performance between the two sides was stark. City had one touch in the Chelsea half in the first 25 minutes. Chasing the game in the second half, they had just two shots.

It’s those sorts of statistics that back up why City had made the decision they have. They may not be in the relegation zone at the moment, but plenty of the underlying data suggested they would be soon without significant improvements. They rank 20th for shots and 18th for shots against. That’s not a combo for survival.

Despite those numbers, the decision to sack Cooper has still come out of the blue. Less than two weeks ago he held a transfer meeting with the recruitment team and plans were being drawn up for new signings, with the defence a priority.

Now it will be a new manager leading the club into the January transfer window and into the remainder of the season. Having seemingly learned their lesson from the Rodgers debacle, there may now be more faith among supporters that the hierarchy will get the next decision right. Their record is pretty good overall, with Maresca’s appointment almost working out too well in that he convinced Chelsea he was an elite manager.

But they got this one wrong. Sacking Cooper after 12 Premier League games is an admission of that. He was not the perfect fit for the hand City were dealing him. That only goes to suggest the hierarchy, when making their decision, didn’t understand their own club well enough. It remains to be seen if that lesson has been learned too.

[RonnieTodger]

Shearer analysed our faults really well on Saturday. Was pleasantly surprised that he put time into it, instead of just talking about Chelsea.

 

Now he’s booting off on his podcast that we’ve sacked him . 

[KP Fox]

47 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

You surprise me, with that username

What's wrong with my username? It's a mixture of our stadium and our nickname? And I'm proud of both! 💙🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 (they are the amount of trophies we won under our owners - King Power by the way) 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

34 minutes ago, Nick said:

Cooper hampered by Forest historypublished at 15:04

15:04

Nick Mashiter
BBC Sport football news reporter

IMAGE SOURCE, GETTY IMAGES

Leicester fans could not see beyond Steve Cooper's Nottingham Forest past, according to Matt Davis, vice chairman of the Foxes Trust.

The 44-year-old was dismissed on Sunday after just 157 days in charge having replaced Enzo Maresca in the summer.

It was his first role since leaving Forest in December after just over two years at the City Ground.

Cooper took Forest back to the Premier League for the first time in 23 years in 2022, keeping them up in 2022-23 before being replaced by Nuno Espirito Santo.

The ex-Swansea manager also accepts his relationship with the fans was not there because of his Forest background, sources have told BBC Sport, with Davis admitting it was a struggle from the start.

Davis said: "He would never win some fans over because of the Forest connection, others would give him less time because of the Forest connection and others didn’t think he had what it took.

"Events with Cooper had the focus and the vast majority of fans were pleased the decision was swiftly made.

"I couldn’t see success coming with Cooper."

 

 

WHY IS MATT DAVIS VICE CHAIR OF THE FOXES TRUST SAYING THE FANS WANTED HIM GONE BECAUSE OF HIS FOREST ROOTS?

Stop stealing my toilet Nick!

[em9999]

Nothing to do with forest he's just a crap manager that should never have been hired 

[Tom12345]

To be fair, he was not given a proper chance before people started to jump on his back. It is a slippery slope from there and he could not get his players and supporters on his side. Difficult to be a manager when everyone doubts you from the start. I think people overrated Enzo too, but unfortunately we again needed a transition guy who can take a hit before we have a longer term solution, just like we needed Puel after Ranieri. 

 

I am indifferent except that I would hate to see us having another manager who would pick Ndidi as a midfield pivot.

 

 

Edited 25 November 2024 by Tom12345

[Corky]

These pundits clearly haven't watched us play much this season.

 

Lucky twats.

[Soar Fox]

Strange how many people are mentioning the Nottingham Forest connection. When 1 of our best ever managers & most successful captain in our history were both ex Forest. 

[RoboFox]

40 minutes ago, Nick said:

Cooper hampered by Forest historypublished at 15:04

15:04

Nick Mashiter
BBC Sport football news reporter

IMAGE SOURCE, GETTY IMAGES

Leicester fans could not see beyond Steve Cooper's Nottingham Forest past, according to Matt Davis, vice chairman of the Foxes Trust.

The 44-year-old was dismissed on Sunday after just 157 days in charge having replaced Enzo Maresca in the summer.

It was his first role since leaving Forest in December after just over two years at the City Ground.

Cooper took Forest back to the Premier League for the first time in 23 years in 2022, keeping them up in 2022-23 before being replaced by Nuno Espirito Santo.

The ex-Swansea manager also accepts his relationship with the fans was not there because of his Forest background, sources have told BBC Sport, with Davis admitting it was a struggle from the start.

Davis said: "He would never win some fans over because of the Forest connection, others would give him less time because of the Forest connection and others didn’t think he had what it took.

"Events with Cooper had the focus and the vast majority of fans were pleased the decision was swiftly made.

"I couldn’t see success coming with Cooper."

 

 

WHY IS MATT DAVIS VICE CHAIR OF THE FOXES TRUST SAYING THE FANS WANTED HIM GONE BECAUSE OF HIS FOREST ROOTS?

 

A senior member of the Foxes Trust out of touch and completely at odds with the opinions of the larger fanbase? 

 

 

 

[MattFox]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

How many times… his connection to Forest wasn’t the problem. Games and performances like at Walsall were the problem, and if this is true what a low level of expectation he must have had. Just really odd. We were dogshit for large parts of pretty much all games this season. What do you do when you step in dogshit? You get rid of it. 

Genuinely hate this guy so much

[HankMarvin]

51 minutes ago, Tom12345 said:

To be fair, he was not given a proper chance before people started to jump on his back. It is a slippery slope from there and he could not get his players and supporters on his side. Difficult to be a manager when everyone doubts you from the start. I think people overrated Enzo too, but unfortunately we again needed a transition guy who can take a hit before we have a longer term solution, just like we needed Puel after Ranieri. 

 

I am indifferent except that I would hate to see us having another manager who would pick Ndidi as a midfield pivot.

 

 

When you’re given the sack from the last job with one win in your last 13 as opposed to a upcoming manager plucked from a club you are always going to be under extra scrutiny early on. No frills appointment that as expected resulted in turgid football.

[worth_the_wait]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-coopers-downfall-suggests-leicester-9743109

 

Steve Cooper's downfall suggests Leicester City hierarchy don't know their own club
The inside story of Cooper's short Leicester City tenure, and how it shows the club have learned a lesson, but in turn admitted a mistake they should not have made

ByJordan Blackwell
14:36, 25 NOV 2024

In acting quickly to sack Steve Cooper, Leicester City have learned their lesson but also admitted a mistake. The decision came out of the blue. The objective for this season is to avoid sinking back into the Championship and Cooper was so far keeping City’s heads above water, the club sitting a point above the bottom three.

But they feared a Brendan Rodgers repeat. In 2022/23, they stood by the Northern Irishman until they fell into the relegation zone, and by then it was too late.

In fairness, City did improve in the autumn under Rodgers. It’s those improvements that the City hierarchy could not foresee under Cooper. With the nature of the performances, they felt City could slide into the bottom three in the very near future, and they weren’t willing to wait for that.

 

In 2023, Dean Smith had eight games to save City. If a new manager is appointed this week, they will have 26 fixtures to earn City’s survival. The hierarchy arguably deserve credit for learning from a past mistake, this time giving a replacement enough time to turn things around.

But equally, in sacking Cooper so soon suggests they made the wrong decision in the first place. They certainly gave him a difficult hand.

A struggle to connect with both the players and the supporters has been cited as a reason behind Cooper’s dismissal, but City did not help him. While Enzo Maresca’s exit could not be predicted, the club had to recognise his popularity within the squad. Finding a new manager who could win the players over had to be a priority, so as not to disillusion them.

In Maresca, they had a template for the type of manager the majority of the squad liked. Cooper is less prescriptive and less strict, but also less tactically intense, asking players to take more responsibility on the pitch rather than adhere to instructions by the letter. They’re not the same type of manager.

 

With the fans, there was the Nottingham Forest issue too. It was not insurmountable – previous Forest icons like Martin O’Neill and Wes Morgan managed to endear themselves at City – but it was another obstacle. Cooper would have to do more than the average manager to get the supporters onside.

He was determined to do that and, despite his success at the City Ground, wanted to totally put his tenure at Forest to bed. Behind the scenes at City, Forest were referred to as “the other place” by Cooper and his staff as they tried to cut ties with their connection from the club by not even mentioning the name.

While his synonymy with Forest made it tougher to get City fans behind him, Cooper was not helped that the club themselves had alienated supporters. The issues around matchday prices and season-ticket charges were of huge frustration to supporters, with many saying it exacerbated their feelings of disconnect from the club.

That’s hardly ideal for building a strong home atmosphere. At ‘the other place’, it was a cauldron during their first season back in the Premier League and was a big factor in their path to survival.

Further problems affected City’s preparations. The pre-season campaign was slapdash and had to be hastily put together after Maresca vetoed plans to head to the US.

Transfers fell through at the last minute, notably for Czech forward Adam Hlozek. But there were also question marks over the process as a whole.

A new striker was craved and a bid of more than £20m was made for an out-and-out number nine in Panathinaikos’s Fotis Ioannidis. When that was rejected, instead of returning with another offer or approaching a different target, City put a pause on their striker hunt, instead waiting until deadline day and plumping for an opportunistic loan of Odsonne Edouard.

What Cooper did get were his experienced players as City deviated from the transfer norm, with older heads and Premier League know-how valued more highly than usual. Bobby De Cordova-Reid and Jordan Ayew, both in their 30s, were signed, and City’s squad now has more Premier League games under their belt than seven other clubs. They’d be even higher up the list if Cooper had succeeded in bringing in Tottenham defender Ben Davies, a summer target that City could have returned for in January.

On paper, Cooper’s broad tactical approach felt like the right one. He appreciated the success of last season but wanted to make the gameplan more robust, so as to deal with the step up in quality. In terms of the shape, he did not veer too far away from the blueprint drawn up by Maresca. But there was an attempt to be more pragmatic so as to avoid repeating Burnley, where a dedication to the style only saw them go down with a whimper.

 

 

However, while there was a tactical plan, it did not come through enough for fans to see it. They often questioned if there was an identity at all. City were over-coached at times under Maresca, to the point that supporters complained of being bored, but it was always clear what they were trying to do.

It is more difficult for an identity to be overt when a side is having less of the ball – albeit City managed it in 2015/16 – and naturally City were unlikely to be able to keep possession as they had done in the second tier. But it also felt like they were too willing to give it away.

In too many matches, City players lumped the ball forward aimlessly. Whether that was intentional or not, it reflected badly on Cooper. Either the players were doing it under instruction, or they were not confident enough in his tactics to attempt anything else.

It only emphasised the feeling that City were playing with an inferiority complex. At Forest, having earned credit by taking the club out of the Championship and into the Premier League for the first time in 20 years, Cooper was able to play that way and still have the backing of fans. At City, where there are greater expectations and the novelty of being in the Premier League has worn off, that didn’t cut it with supporters.

Prior to joining, Cooper had a statistical analysis of the City squad conducted, with the data showing the squad ranked in the Premier League’s bottom three in most departments. His approach to matches sometimes reflected that.

But the players didn’t agree with that standing. With the way they had played in the Championship, they did not want to be a defensive side. Some players were less than enthused with the tactics and a couple were dropped during the season for failing to follow instructions, instead playing their own game. Cooper in particular wanted the senior players to show more responsibility for their individual displays, with younger players more willing to own up to mistakes and poor performances.

Leicester City were second best against Chelsea to suffer their sixth Premier League defeat of the season (Image: Michael Regan)
The squad as a whole were simply not as happy as they were last season. But the video from their Christmas party in Copenhagen, while pre-approved by the club and the timing unfortunate, does not make for a good look. They don’t come out of this scot-free either.

While there were concerns in the hierarchy before Saturday’s game, a defeat to former manager Maresca tipped the scales. Even though Chelsea possess a much more expensively-assembled team, the gulf in the levels of performance between the two sides was stark. City had one touch in the Chelsea half in the first 25 minutes. Chasing the game in the second half, they had just two shots.

It’s those sorts of statistics that back up why City had made the decision they have. They may not be in the relegation zone at the moment, but plenty of the underlying data suggested they would be soon without significant improvements. They rank 20th for shots and 18th for shots against. That’s not a combo for survival.

Despite those numbers, the decision to sack Cooper has still come out of the blue. Less than two weeks ago he held a transfer meeting with the recruitment team and plans were being drawn up for new signings, with the defence a priority.

Now it will be a new manager leading the club into the January transfer window and into the remainder of the season. Having seemingly learned their lesson from the Rodgers debacle, there may now be more faith among supporters that the hierarchy will get the next decision right. Their record is pretty good overall, with Maresca’s appointment almost working out too well in that he convinced Chelsea he was an elite manager.

But they got this one wrong. Sacking Cooper after 12 Premier League games is an admission of that. He was not the perfect fit for the hand City were dealing him. That only goes to suggest the hierarchy, when making their decision, didn’t understand their own club well enough. It remains to be seen if that lesson has been learned too.

A pretty fair and balanced appraisal, IMHO.   (unlike so much that has been posted recently)

[coolhandfox]

People would have forgotten his Forest links quickly if he was a success and had us playing well.

 

O'Neill played 285 games for Forest and is well regard by all City fans of that era.

 

Don't even think the league table and point total was a massive problem, is was the dire displays.

Edited 25 November 2024 by coolhandfox

[The Quick Brown Fox]

I believe alot of us on here said we would back him until he proved himself incapable, it's not on us that it only took 2 games. No not 12, 2 most of us knew then.