coolhandfox Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 21 minutes ago, Finnegan said: He's still got a book value of about 7m. He's not done enough for a club who can afford 10m+ to buy him him in January. Clubs that would be interested in him probably can't even convince him to take the wage cut let alone afford a fee that offsets our loss. If he goes anywhere it's a loan and I highly doubt that given RVN has never seen Cannon play, Enzo didn't rate him, Edouard has been a disaster and we're skint wanting a winger and a CB. Even Hamza is probably only a loan. A loan fee of like 600-800k probably covers Coulibaly this season. Just because we've had a bit of good news, doesn't mean our squad players are all suddenly sellable. It will be less as that was the original fee and we will have amortised one year's worth, he book value is 5.6m
Finnegan Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 9 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said: Regardless, it doesn’t seem the right time to flog as we don’t know yet what he will do. I get the similarities to Nugent and even if he became exactly like Nugent, that’s not a player we should be turning our noses up at in our situation. We might go down and bounce straight back up, make some profit. We might linger in the Championship and have a reliable goalscorer on our hands. Hell, we might even do a stint in League 1 if we continue to be so badly managed and he might be above us. The consensus from those wanting to sell seems to be a doubt he will become a top half Premier League striker. Probably not be it’s unlikely we will be at that level either for the foreseeable! 6 minutes ago, AKCJ said: I think we're better letting him stay at Stoke on loan than accepting £7m now. I think if he continues to have a good season then he will still be worth that sort of money and with Vardy retiring and Daka being Daka it'll be important that we've either got a striker that we know can score goals at that level or one that will tempt the Championship clubs that can afford to spend £10-£12m. I'm not disagreeing that his value probably will go up and/or that we could use him if we get relegated. But the club obviously haven't given up on survival. They clearly want to try and get a couple players in but don't want to spend what they did last time with Faes, VK, etc. The preference still seems to be sell-to-buy so we need to shift whatever sellable assets we have that don't damage Ruud's preferred team. A player out on loan deemed only good enough for a league we're trying to avoid being in is an acceptable start. Is it the optimal time to sell him? Probably not. But it's an acceptable one. Is it short termist? Absolutely but so is signing Woyo Coulibaly. I'm not debating what we SHOULD do, just saying what I think we will. 4 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: It will be less as that was the original fee and we will have amortised one year's worth, he book value is 5.6m What you quoted was a response to a comment about selling Daka.
coolhandfox Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I'm not disagreeing that his value probably will go up and/or that we could use him if we get relegated. But the club obviously haven't given up on survival. They clearly want to try and get a couple players in but don't want to spend what they did last time with Faes, VK, etc. The preference still seems to be sell-to-buy so we need to shift whatever sellable assets we have that don't damage Ruud's preferred team. A player out on loan deemed only good enough for a league we're trying to avoid being in is an acceptable start. Is it the optimal time to sell him? Probably not. But it's an acceptable one. Is it short termist? Absolutely but so is signing Woyo Coulibaly. I'm not debating what we SHOULD do, just saying what I think we will. What you quoted was a response to a comment about selling Daka. Apologies! 1
AKCJ Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I'm not disagreeing that his value probably will go up and/or that we could use him if we get relegated. But the club obviously haven't given up on survival. They clearly want to try and get a couple players in but don't want to spend what they did last time with Faes, VK, etc. The preference still seems to be sell-to-buy so we need to shift whatever sellable assets we have that don't damage Ruud's preferred team. A player out on loan deemed only good enough for a league we're trying to avoid being in is an acceptable start. Is it the optimal time to sell him? Probably not. But it's an acceptable one. Is it short termist? Absolutely but so is signing Woyo Coulibaly. I'm not debating what we SHOULD do, just saying what I think we will. What you quoted was a response to a comment about selling Daka. We could sell him before the PSR deadline so that it falls within the same accounting period as any January signings.
Mickyblueeyes Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 1 hour ago, moore_94 said: I like Cannon but I dont think he (currently) adds further value to the PL squad. Its a difficult one. One side, you want a contigency in case we go down and Cannon has capabilities (which will only develop further with a further year and regular football in the Champ) to be quite valuable in the Championship. However, on the flip side, the current squad is a PL squad lacking sufficient quality. Its finidng the right balance in case of worst case scenario but also being able to compete for is very much half a season. I would sell for that price.
LCFCJohn Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 23 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I'm not disagreeing that his value probably will go up and/or that we could use him if we get relegated. But the club obviously haven't given up on survival. They clearly want to try and get a couple players in but don't want to spend what they did last time with Faes, VK, etc. The preference still seems to be sell-to-buy so we need to shift whatever sellable assets we have that don't damage Ruud's preferred team. A player out on loan deemed only good enough for a league we're trying to avoid being in is an acceptable start. Is it the optimal time to sell him? Probably not. But it's an acceptable one. Is it short termist? Absolutely but so is signing Woyo Coulibaly. I'm not debating what we SHOULD do, just saying what I think we will. What you quoted was a response to a comment about selling Daka. Completely get what you’re saying. It depends on your outlook I.e short term or long term. My view may be different if we didn’t have all sorts hanging over us in the event of dropping back down. As far as I’m aware, it is not out of the question we get a transfer/registration embargo. At the very least, we are likely to have a lot of noise going on that could disrupt our summer as it did last summer and possibly has been doing this month. My fear would be, we get rid of those who are likely to be key players for us, end up with embargo and setting ourselves back further. In our position, both in the table at the moment and with the trajectory, as well as off the pitch stuff, I really feel that we need to be organised and plan ahead and look to the medium to longer term. Short term thinking in this case, it likely to set us back even further. Just my view.
Finnegan Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 42 minutes ago, AKCJ said: We could sell him before the PSR deadline so that it falls within the same accounting period as any January signings. Yes absolutely but that then becomes a gamble. If we spend the money now assuming we can sell him in the summer then a lot is at risk. Whilst he could go on to be the Championship top scorer and his value doubles, it's unlikely. At the same time he could do his ACL in the last game of the season, he could simply stop scoring, the handful of clubs that want him could have new targets. January is a good seller's market because clubs have urgent needs. Sheffield United and Sunderland are hoping he gives them the push they need to get promoted, whatever the maximum is they'll pay right now is very likely to be the maximum value he'll have any time in the next six months to be honest. If he genuinely is worth more than that then you won't see it in reality for a couple of years more than likely. 1
Popular Post Haywood_6 Posted 14 January Popular Post Posted 14 January Be pretty silly to sell him now if you ask me. We are pretty likely to go down and we won't have Vardy next season. He's developing nicely at Stoke and proving himself to be a very capable Championship goalscorer. 6
Ric Flair Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: He's still got a book value of about 7m. He's not done enough for a club who can afford 10m+ to buy him him in January. Clubs that would be interested in him probably can't even convince him to take the wage cut let alone afford a fee that offsets our loss. If he goes anywhere it's a loan and I highly doubt that given RVN has never seen Cannon play, Enzo didn't rate him, Edouard has been a disaster and we're skint wanting a winger and a CB. Even Hamza is probably only a loan. A loan fee of like 600-800k probably covers Coulibaly this season. Just because we've had a bit of good news, doesn't mean our squad players are all suddenly sellable. He's got a book value of £4.5m, although weren't we supposedly offered up to £10m in the summer but Cannon didn't want to go on a permanent?
Finnegan Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 28 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: He's got a book value of £4.5m, although weren't we supposedly offered up to £10m in the summer but Cannon didn't want to go on a permanent? I was responding to a comment about Daka, whose remaining book value is still around 7. 1
lanefox Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 13 minutes ago, Mungongo said: How much did we pay for Cannon? 8 million was the number floating around
les-tah Posted 14 January Posted 14 January (edited) So any small psr profit from Cannons current book price can be multiplied by 5 for a 5 year contract for a better player? Lets hope we can make 4 million profit so we can get a 20 million forward/winger in to relieve Ayew. heres to unrealistic hope. Edited 14 January by les-tah
Wink84 Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said: Regardless, it doesn’t seem the right time to flog as we don’t know yet what he will do. I get the similarities to Nugent and even if he became exactly like Nugent, that’s not a player we should be turning our noses up at in our situation. We might go down and bounce straight back up, make some profit. We might linger in the Championship and have a reliable goalscorer on our hands. Hell, we might even do a stint in League 1 if we continue to be so badly managed and he might be above us. The consensus from those wanting to sell seems to be a doubt he will become a top half Premier League striker. Probably not be it’s unlikely we will be at that level either for the foreseeable! Think he'd be good for us if we was in the championship next season, however were obviously hoping we'll still be a PL side so I reckon we'll take a gamble and sell and reinvest this window. Don't think he'd be good enough for PL yet.
Spudulike Posted 14 January Posted 14 January I think the club would be ill advised to sell in this window. A decision should be made in the summer once it's known which division we're in. Unless there's some financial wizardry going on.
Popular Post Lambert09 Posted 14 January Popular Post Posted 14 January 7m seems a terrible deal to me. Leave him at stoke. 6
Stadt Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 9 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: 7m seems a terrible deal to me. Everton did a good job on us 1
Clarkey123 Posted 14 January Posted 14 January Might need him next year. Rather have him up top in the championship than Daka. 1
Muzzy_no7 Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 1 hour ago, Mungongo said: How much did we pay for Cannon? £7.5m. So 18months into 5 year deal means his current PSR value is around £5.25m.
Ric Flair Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 9 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said: £7.5m. So 18months into 5 year deal means his current PSR value is around £5.25m. Book value is yearly I'd have thought, so we'll have two years worth booked to the end of 2024/25. (£3m in total with £4.5m remaining). So any sale above £4.5m in 24/25 means we'd book a net profit.
st albans fox Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 40 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: 7m seems a terrible deal to me. Leave him at stoke. I’ll drive him anywhere for £7m 1
Muzzy_no7 Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 22 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Book value is yearly I'd have thought, so we'll have two years worth booked to the end of 2024/25. (£3m in total with £4.5m remaining). So any sale above £4.5m in 24/25 means we'd book a net profit. Yeah probably. I was just guessing their MAY have been a 6 monthly thing as we have two transfer windows, not one. 1
An Away Move Posted 14 January Posted 14 January I like Cannon. I like his work rate. He has quality too and seems quite a natural finisher. Looked good the few times we played him in The Championship. 2
Finn Claw II Posted 14 January Posted 14 January While I can understand why everyone quotes book value, you obviously want to sell for whatever is market value. I don’t think we are forced sellers now we just need a plan for who we think we can realistically sell and for what value if we go down. Personally I’d keep Cannon for next season as one of our strikers if we go down. If we stay up - sell at the end of the season. 1
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