Hamza Choudhury - loaned to Sheff Utd

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

I've got sick in my mouth. 

 

Though he would build a wall in front of our goal! 

he’d have the people who could teach us how to shoot…

[st albans fox]

12 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

And what's your reasoning for how respected journalists said it was done as early as Monday, didn't get announced until Wednesday and still by Saturday we hadn't got clearance for him to play.

I think we push the envelope on negs as far as we can.  Seems strange seeing as give players such fantastic contracts.  So although the deal is all agreed we probably try to pinch another 500k here or there which means we can’t begin any background work with the authorities on registrations and permits because we’re giving the impression that ‘this 500k’ is a potential deal breaker. 

[Babylon]

15 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

And what's your reasoning for how respected journalists said it was done as early as Monday, didn't get announced until Wednesday and still by Saturday we hadn't got clearance for him to play.

Use some common sense. There are a number of stages to all transfers, agreeing with the club, agreeing with the player, medicals, filling out all the registration stuff and submitting to the transfer systems. In terms of ITC his previous association has to get involved and confirm all the details, do relevant checks with previous clubs etc and they have up to 7 days to do that. Then you have the player being a human and having to pack up a life in another country and move here. Ruud said on Thursday the most to expect was being on the bench as he hadn't even trained yet, and at most he'd have one session on the Friday.

 

Moaning that this particular transfer has dragged on is frankly laughable, people have lost their minds. 

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Use some common sense. There are a number of stages to all transfers, agreeing with the club, agreeing with the player, medicals, filling out all the registration stuff and submitting to the transfer systems. In terms of ITC his previous association has to get involved and confirm all the details, do relevant checks with previous clubs etc and they have up to 7 days to do that. Then you have the player being a human and having to pack up a life in another country and move here. Ruud said on Thursday the most to expect was being on the bench as he hadn't even trained yet, and at most he'd have one session on the Friday.

 

Moaning that this particular transfer has dragged on is frankly laughable, people have lost their minds. 

But this happens fairly regularly, even with Fatawu who we'd already had for a season on loan. We then had delays in registering him permanently. Maybe I'm being harsh and I certainly don't scrutinise every other club for robust comparison but there's multiple instances of us faffing about.

[Ric Flair]

3 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I think we push the envelope on negs as far as we can.  Seems strange seeing as give players such fantastic contracts.  So although the deal is all agreed we probably try to pinch another 500k here or there which means we can’t begin any background work with the authorities on registrations and permits because we’re giving the impression that ‘this 500k’ is a potential deal breaker. 

I think you're probably right but we also don't seem to negotiate that well anyway, often pay handsomely (eventually)

[CL Fox]

14 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Use some common sense. There are a number of stages to all transfers, agreeing with the club, agreeing with the player, medicals, filling out all the registration stuff and submitting to the transfer systems. In terms of ITC his previous association has to get involved and confirm all the details, do relevant checks with previous clubs etc and they have up to 7 days to do that. Then you have the player being a human and having to pack up a life in another country and move here. Ruud said on Thursday the most to expect was being on the bench as he hadn't even trained yet, and at most he'd have one session on the Friday.

 

Moaning that this particular transfer has dragged on is frankly laughable, people have lost their minds. 

They're not just moaning about this transfer. It's the latest in a long line of **** ups. Same happened with kristiansen now I remember.

 

It demonstrates the complete lack of competence and urgency in the football department.

Edited 19 January by CL Fox

[st albans fox]

49 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I think you're probably right but we also don't seem to negotiate that well anyway, often pay handsomely (eventually)

Could be that the deal has a sum attached to it to include everything. If the agent screws us too much (which seems to happen a lot ) then the only place to get that back from is the selling club or our budget.  both will cause delays to getting things signed off - our end depending on who has final authority to sign off on budget variances. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

53 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

I think it's fair to say we all know jack shite.   Let's judge at the end of the transfer window......

Probably too late then, Everton currently 6 points ahead, could be as many as 12 ahead by end of transfer window. I know it’s worst case scenario but I wouldn’t be surprised. 
 

That leaves us Ipswich and Wolves fighting for just 1 spot to avoid relegation. Whichever team goes on a bit of a run, like 7 points from 9 or something is gonna stay up. 

 

[Dr The Singh]

29 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Probably too late then, Everton currently 6 points ahead, could be as many as 12 ahead by end of transfer window. I know it’s worst case scenario but I wouldn’t be surprised. 
 

That leaves us Ipswich and Wolves fighting for just 1 spot to avoid relegation. Whichever team goes on a bit of a run, like 7 points from 9 or something is gonna stay up. 

 

Possibly

[moore_94]

8 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

But this happens fairly regularly, even with Fatawu who we'd already had for a season on loan. We then had delays in registering him permanently. Maybe I'm being harsh and I certainly don't scrutinise every other club for robust comparison but there's multiple instances of us faffing about.

With how desperate we are for new players in the door it is ridiculous that we aren't going to see a new player in the match day squad until at least 26th January

 

Highly doubt there will even be another one seemingly even close to being done by the time that match comes around as well

 

Can't wait to see us shit the bed on deadline day and see what donkey we sign this time

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

With how desperate we are for new players in the door it is ridiculous that we aren't going to see a new player in the match day squad until at least 26th January

 

Highly doubt there will even be another one seemingly even close to being done by the time that match comes around as well

 

Can't wait to see us shit the bed on deadline day and see what donkey we sign this time

Remind me of the two home games we wasted without a manager in 22/23.

 

We will never know whether a couple of fresh faces could have seen us take some points against Palace and Fulham.

 

Massive opportunity missed to get out the bottom 3.

Edited 19 January by coolhandfox

[Babylon]

10 hours ago, moore_94 said:

With how desperate we are for new players in the door it is ridiculous that we aren't going to see a new player in the match day squad until at least 26th January

 

Highly doubt there will even be another one seemingly even close to being done by the time that match comes around as well

 

Can't wait to see us shit the bed on deadline day and see what donkey we sign this time

It’s a totally different argument. And if we’ve got a budget of £2 or £3m to spend it’s made much much harder to get people in. 
 

In days gone by you could just go out and buy a player and not worry about budgets so much (Not a great financial strategy granted), now we have to worry about PSR. Which means the scouting team are basically trying to pull rabbits out of a hat.

 

And yeah I’m well aware PSR is mostly our own making and we could have spent our budgets differently. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Seen a few Hamza to Sheff Utd rumours? 

[NewquayFox]

43 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Seen a few Hamza to Sheff Utd rumours? 

Saw that as well, hopefully we get some money as a loan is no good to us right now… 

[Jazzy_Jeff]

20 minutes ago, NewquayFox said:

Saw that as well, hopefully we get some money as a loan is no good to us right now… 

It does free up a squad place and gets some wages off the books.

 

We should take advantage of battle for promotion and negotiate a loan with obligation if promoted. Could squeeze a decent fee out of them then. Won’t get much now as they’ve just spend £10m on Cannon fodder. 

[Pliskin]

Another space freed up in the squad. Viva la deadline day. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

45 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Another space freed up in the squad. Viva la deadline day. 

Assuming that this is a permanent deal it’s very good news that it looks like we are draining the swamp, but given his wages that are well publicised as being high (£70k?), I find it really surprising that we’ve managed to offload him🤞to a Championship side. Unless we are doing a Leeds/Portsmouth and paying a chunk of his wage I’d struggle to see how this would go through. Given how badly we are run this would not surprise me. The other possibility is that he’s had an epiphany and realised what he’s actually worth, but I doubt it somehow.

[splinterdream]

It's quite ironic that when all our stats are pointing to being weak in midfield with tackle percentage low, that we're pushing a player that maybe able to change that out of the door, hamza would be worth a try in a 4-1-4-1 formation 

[Richmondfox]

2 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

It's quite ironic that when all our stats are pointing to being weak in midfield with tackle percentage low, that we're pushing a player that maybe able to change that out of the door, hamza would be worth a try in a 4-1-4-1 formation 

The last game he was given a chance with Skipp and he didn’t make a single tackle. 

[fox_favourite]

22 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

It's quite ironic that when all our stats are pointing to being weak in midfield with tackle percentage low, that we're pushing a player that maybe able to change that out of the door, hamza would be worth a try in a 4-1-4-1 formation 

See Newcastle away for tackle percentage. 

 

He's another that will have a decent career in the championship, but he's not premier league level, unfortunately. 

[suffolk fox]

I really hope it's true that Hamza goes.  Another player stinking the club out.  Hate to say it but I think, unfortunately, if anything, it will be a loan.

We need to get rid of a lot of our players stinking the place out on ridiculous wages, Hamza, Ward, Vestergaard, Justin, Coady, Faes, and I will even

include Vardy who needs quite frankly to retire.

[Claudio Fannieri]

Let’s hope there is some sort of obligation clause if Sheffield United go up that it’s made a permanent deal. We really need to start moving these players out and starting again. 

[splinterdream]

49 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

See Newcastle away for tackle percentage. 

 

He's another that will have a decent career in the championship, but he's not premier league level, unfortunately. 

Clutching at straws perhaps 

[fox_favourite]

Just now, splinterdream said:

Clutching at straws perhaps 

It's horrible, isn't it 

[JimJams]

 

It shouldn't be a loan.  Sheffield Utd are desperate in their push for promotion and have a lot of injuries in the midfield.  They're desperate.  Let's face it, they must be if Hamza is seen as the answer.  So we hold the cards here.  Buy.  Only caveat is if they want to up it to a ridiculous fee on promotion, but do we want to take the chance of him coming back?

 

We've seen with Souttar how loaning out a player, even if he does well for the club he's at can backfire from unfortunate circumstances such as injury.  Imagine we send them Hamza on loan and he's great for them but does his ACL or some shit with a few games left.  He comes back, and presumably after recovery, worse than ever.