Man Utd 2-1 LCFC - Post Match Thread

[Matt]

Played like a national ****ing league side, timid with stars in their eyes playing the mighty Man Utd of old.

 

Heck, Tamworth gave it more of a go against Tottenham. I get Tottenham aren’t any great shakes at the moment (so much so even we beat them) but even so it the example and equivalent I’m making.

 

Anyway, back the keeper. Hoof. I guess we’re getting the best of both, mastering neither.

[Seventyseven]

That was two bald men fighting over a comb. 
 

The lack of offside was a joke, but RVN seems to be suggesting we played well? 
 

We were crap, as were they. They keep getting hammered at OT yet aside from the goal we didn’t test them at all. 

[filbertway]

3 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

I would argue then from his line of sight they are definitely offside. He shouldn't be assuming there's a player there, if he can't see anyone in the space you've have ringed, then he's not there to the linesman. So in that way he's offside. What is also clear is that there's actually day light between Maguire and our defensive line, so at some point he would have seen there wasn't a player. 

 

But the last minute to get a dodgy free kick AND a dodgy offside is sheer incompetence, or corruption. If it's incompetence, then the ref and lino shouldn't be part of these games if they are influenced by the atmosphere.

 

The other thing I want to highlight is our defensive line. That is spot on. It's a line and everyone moves together. It isn't that which is at fault. Though I do wonder if Mads could have done better. 

 

Good news is we're out. Didn't want to progress anyway. Not this season, it's frustrating at the manner we went out. 

Line was spot on which is the frustrating thing, there could be some merit to that point. If he doesn't see any blue beyond Maguire, then should be assume it's offisde? With the sheer number of bodies I can forgive a human making that error, I didn't see it as offside from first look and I had an elevated view and was viewing from the easier side  

 

Can't remember what the free kick was given for but a fair few people have said it wasn't a free kick so I'll need to look back at that.

 

I wasn't really arsed about the goal anyway, from the moment the ball hit BDCR in the face I didn't get excited as I was mentally expecting us to just sit in and give Man U all the time and opportunity to get back into it anyway. I don't think the manner of defeat will have surprised anyone

 

We had 2 shots 2nd half, 0 on target. Showed almost no desire to take part in the 2nd half and got what we deserved. 

 

Edited 8 February by filbertway

[ceebeefox]

8 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

I can remember the United side that got relegated so not the worst. As for tonight as well as the useless linesman the ref certainly gave the free kick in reaction to the crowd despite the ball hitting Justin at almost point blank

Yes, and I can go back to our 1969 cup final and relegation year and we’re nowhere near the worst top flight City team, pretty poor though, toothless. Strange how football has changed though, our manager Frank O’Farrell took us down but then became United manager! Imagine that today.

[Raj]

They were going to win on e Garnacho came on whether that goal was ruled offside it would have only prolonged our agony.

Terrible advert for the FA cup, 2 shit teams

[Sunbury Fox]

I should be fuming at the way at the way we lost that to a last second offside goal but instead my overriding feeling is one of relief as we were heading for a defeat anyway so it just saved us the pain of 30 more minutes of turgid, error-strewn football between 2 awful sides with no confidence - and possibly a shoot out in which it's hard to think of 2, let alone 5, of our players who you would fancy to take a pen under pressure (we don't even have anyone who can take a good corner, FFS!).

 

After 60 minutes our race was run, sadly. RvN again made the wrong subs and Ndidi having to go off left us predictably easy to play through. 

 

What a truly miserable season this has been. 

Edited 8 February by Sunbury Fox

[sphericalfox]

Last night's game was mediocrity on grass. Both teams creating near nothing all match. Aside from Mads fumble and close shave to knocking it into his own net he had piss all to do. However I have to question some of his distribution. Maybe he's not quite game fit yet.

 

Our fans were great, but 2nd half spent more time singing to the fat b*stard getting kicked out than paying attention to the pitch and cheering us on tbh.

 

Old Trafford was pretty much a library, and the tourists only made noise when they equalised.

 

Great to see Wilf back.

 

Winks may as well have have a United shirt on.

 

An injured Daka means a useless Edouard will need to step in for a bit. Arguably a like for like swap at this point.

 

 

 

[Bourbon Fox]

10 hours ago, Beachyboy said:

So he's saved us 30 minutes then, I think he's done everyone a favour neither team are gonna win the cup anyway, it feels so similar to 2014/15 it eerie there are some good bits of play but it always feels like no matter how bad the opposition they will still beat us.

I have similar feelings.

 

A confidence-boosting win with a decent performance is one thing.

 

Once they scored we looked miles away from getting back in the game. Extra time would just have been more running for a small, crap squad.

 

At least the way this ended gives them a sense of injustice rather than 45 minutes of decent football and 75 minutes of shite.

[gerblod]

9 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

Garnacho running rings round a tired JJ so he put the substitute and pacy Coulibally on the left where he's never played. Schoolboy error. JJ'S only protection a piss weak bottleless Mcateer! Poor management.

Yes - it's scapegoating JJ on here when a perceptive manager (and shouldn't managers at this level all be perceptive) would instruct someone to provide cover. Same with Chilwell when he was isolated in two games against Salah and Mahrez under Rodgers.

We need a tactician who can respond quickly - on and off the field. Kanté had the speed, energy and awareness to do the fire-fighting jobs. When you see Soumare lumbering around as if he's playing in Serie B you realise the depth of the problem. Bounanotte and El Khannouss are exemplary in that quality. How we're missing Fatawu.

[st albans fox]

Four mistakes in added time 

a) ref gives a dodgy handball decision. He’d barely given anything all game allowing most 50/50 calls to go unpunished - made this free kick call even more ridiculous 

 

b) whoever is marking maguire knows he’s offside.  So he either goes with him and makes a challenge or he puts his arm up to at least make the lino think about whether he’s seen it.   In any case , stick your arm up afterwards if you’ve gone with the player to make a challenge - but nothing - no challenge and no appeal to the lino.  Sums up our passive nature. 
 

c) mads should be coming out and taking charge. That ball is in the air a long time. It isn’t a driven cross.  He has issues with managing his area and someone should have done something in our coaching set up to help him. 
 

d) the lino screwed up big time. 

[Ian Nacho]

Whilst that decision at the end was poor, we didn't deserve to go through. We offered nothing in that second half. 

[Deeg67]

I'll at least give credit to Amorim for being honest about it. "The goal was offside. We should have VAR. It should be here to overturn the decision. It's hard on Ruud, it's hard on the opponent."

[CrazyKopCorner]

2 hours ago, Seventyseven said:

That was two bald men fighting over a comb. 
 

The lack of offside was a joke, but RVN seems to be suggesting we played well? 
 

We were crap, as were they. They keep getting hammered at OT yet aside from the goal we didn’t test them at all. 

Yes I'm getting a bit fed up of this we played well nonsense 

 

The problem is that we hardly ever have a shot on goal 

 

[FrankieADZ]

31 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

Whilst that decision at the end was poor, we didn't deserve to go through. We offered nothing in that second half. 

tbf i dont think either team did

we was far better first half, they was better 2nd

 

 

[Gazza M]

ITV like most of the nation glad it was done in the 93 mins I think. Lee Dixon (new Lawro) is a clown. Glad in a way didn't have to listen to anymore commentary. 

[Legend_in_blue]

I'm not bothered.  Can this awful season just end now please.  

[funkyrobot]

10 hours ago, filbertway said:

 

 

Black line roughly his line of sight.

 

3 man u players who are blocking his view from the space behind. Red circle is where a player could be standing that he can't see.

 

Whatever decision he made, he would have been guessing in my opinion.

 

I'm not expecting to win any arguments on this, especially when emotions are fresh, but I'll always try and be reasonable in looking at a situation. 

Your graphic is absolutely damning to your own point mate. As clear a decision that you’ll ever see for a professional assistant ref. This was no amateur dad on a parks pitch. He could only see Man U players because there weren’t any Lcfc players as they were holding the traditional line that is always held in dead ball situations like this. 

[David Hankey]

1 hour ago, Deeg67 said:

I'll at least give credit to Amorim for being honest about it. "The goal was offside. We should have VAR. It should be here to overturn the decision. It's hard on Ruud, it's hard on the opponent."

We don't need VAR just a linesman doing his job properly. Was he on Manure's payroll?

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Four mistakes in added time 

a) ref gives a dodgy handball decision. He’d barely given anything all game allowing most 50/50 calls to go unpunished - made this free kick call even more ridiculous 

 

b) whoever is marking maguire knows he’s offside.  So he either goes with him and makes a challenge or he puts his arm up to at least make the lino think about whether he’s seen it.   In any case , stick your arm up afterwards if you’ve gone with the player to make a challenge - but nothing - no challenge and no appeal to the lino.  Sums up our passive nature. 
 

c) mads should be coming out and taking charge. That ball is in the air a long time. It isn’t a driven cross.  He has issues with managing his area and someone should have done something in our coaching set up to help him. 
 

d) the lino screwed up big time. 

All great points pal, especially the Mads one, it’s the biggest glaring weakness he has even last season in the champ he looked like a rabbit in the headlights when it came to commanding his area and dealing with set piece balls coming into his area. 
 

Not suggesting he is dropped by any means as he is a wonderful goalkeeper but Stolrcyrk wouldn’t have conceded that, whilst he is nowhere near as good in his distribution.  His ability to manage his area and how he deals with high balls into the dangerous areas, he is head and shoulders above Mads in this particular case. 

[fox in the sox]

It was surely no coincidence that we looked wide open as soon as Winks replaced Ndidi. He’s a nothing player at this level who doesn’t seem to be able to even pass the ball now.

[suffolk fox]

Makes you wonder, when I was at school one of my mates and his whole family were Man Utd season ticket holders went to Old Trafford regularly.  Fast forward

a number of years said mate qualified to be an assistant referee and regularly ran the line at premier league games in the late 80s and 90s.

 

He, regularly ran the line at Old trafford especially if Howard Webb was officiating.  I often use to say how the hell can he run the line at Old Trafford when I know him and all his family are ardent Man Utd supporters.

 

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

23 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

It was surely no coincidence that we looked wide open as soon as Winks replaced Ndidi. He’s a nothing player at this level who doesn’t seem to be able to even pass the ball now.

His demise has been truly amazing - like completely dropped off a cliff 

 

I thought he'd get in the Prem and be pushing for an England recall. 

 

He was even totally shite against QPR 

 

If they had a Premier League shite 11 he'd be in it with a few of ours  

[StevieH]

Ndidi brings so much physicality back into the side. Winks, Skipp, Reid too lightweight in midfield. We desperately need pace on the wings. If we had that last night we would have won. Ayew is a donkey. Look what Garnacho did for them in the second half. We lack pace all over the pitch. In today's game pace is key especially when teams break quickly which is so much part of the game now. We don't have enough to stay in the Prem. After the next 4/5 games we'll be cut adrift with Ipswich and Southampton. Wolves will pick up points and it will be game over by March.

[WigstonWanderer]

Wheels fell off when Wilf went off as far as I could see. I’m hoping results will improve if he’s back.

[Mickyblueeyes]

Sometimes performances give a different subjective opinion but I can’t understand how anyone saw that as a good performance. We had one moment of class in the whole game. Bilal, Soumare, Wilf and BCDR. 
 

Man U were off it. They are not Man U of Ferguson, they are a team who have been spanked quite a few times recently. First half, sloppy passing that didn’t get punished - one good move. Second half, plenty of space and time, not one move of note. Gave away plenty of space to two wingers who were able to turn us and very unlucky not to score. We are not a league one team out on day out at Old Trafford. 
 

No movement, sloppy passing, under coached errors. It was an offside goal but neither team deserved to have the winning feeling after that. Given how poor United were for longer parts of the game, it was a very poor performance by us. If we played a team in form, we get sparked like Everton, Newcastle games.