Sean Dyche

[Stadt]

Just now, Corky said:

Is that the case here? Puel and Maresca weren't universally popular.

 

Not about his popularity but his general efficacy. He’d be thought of as way pragmatic rather than as a dinosaur or whatever.

 

We’re very snobbish on here, most of us would have turned our noses up at Parker and he’s gotten Moore points than Enzo with a worse side.

 

Rohl, Manning etc are invented managers and have a lot of potential but they’ve achieved almost nothing at that level. Dyche has gotten Burnley up twice, kept them up and took them to Europe.

 

He’s an abrasive, odd bloke and the football he plays isn’t beautiful (nor was Puel, Marescas or RVN’s) which is what people are basing their opinion on rather than his merit as manager.

[Claudio Fannieri]

9 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Not about his popularity but his general efficacy. He’d be thought of as way pragmatic rather than as a dinosaur or whatever.

 

We’re very snobbish on here, most of us would have turned our noses up at Parker and he’s gotten Moore points than Enzo with a worse side.

 

Rohl, Manning etc are invented managers and have a lot of potential but they’ve achieved almost nothing at that level. Dyche has gotten Burnley up twice, kept them up and took them to Europe.

 

He’s an abrasive, odd bloke and the football he plays isn’t beautiful (nor was Puel, Marescas or RVN’s) which is what people are basing their opinion on rather than his merit as manager.

Dyche’s achievements with Burnley were a good few years ago and I would argue that whilst he kept Everton up, Moyes has shown there is way more talent in that squad than what Dyche could extract. His methods, tactics and style are outdated, he would have been an ok short term appointment when we sacked Cooper but that is it. 
 

His shelf life at top level football has expired in my opinion, similar to Steve Bruce, Mark Hughes etc etc he will probably go on to become a bit of a fire fighter or end up at smaller unfashionable clubs who want a bit of his grit to make a difference. 
 

This would be another stale, abject appointment that fails to harness the squad, facilities and academy players at our disposal 

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, trooky said:

Why didn't we get him instead of RVN after sacking Cooper. We waste so much money on sacking managers, buying players we neve use, like Cannon, Woyo, Skipp, Souttar..... This club is a shambles with no direction, or consistency in appointments. 

 

 

The time for Dyche was when Everton sacked him and we were without a win in yonks. 

 

The ship has sailed, we need to enter into a proper rebuild mode to enable us to come up either this year or the next with a squad that can compete.

 

I think there will be a decent list of managers available that could get us promoted without thinking about next season because the likes of Vestergaard, Coady, Winks, Skipp, Mavididi, Justin etc are all high end Championship level players but all of them proved they're not up to Premier League level.

 

Hopefully we get a manager in with a strong ethos of attacking football but also one that is going to lay the law down. I suspect we won't strike lucky with the next Enzo this time.

 

It's time the club focussed on the next 5 years as opposed to the next 5 games.

[UniFox21]

 

 

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

In his 13 years at Burnley and Everton you can literally count on one hand the number of academy players he has promoted to the 1st team …let alone give them a significant number of appearances, only McNeil has really developed into an established player.

 

so bring him in and you can pretty much forget seeing a team/squad brimming with the likes of Nelson, Aluko, Braybrooke, Cartwright, Alves, Monga, Evans et al. 
 

The lack of clarity and consistency in the decision making at our club truly beggars belief 

Edited 11 May 2025 by Claudio Fannieri

[LVFox]

He's pretty low down on my list but I could at least understand it. To go from Enzo to Dyche over 4 managers shows how little strategy there is at the club.

[scinnell]

Top of my list, his teams are difficult to beat, resilient and have grit. Everything that we don't have currently. All this talk about him not giving youth a chance, can anybody name talents that have been wasted at Burnley or Everton over the past decade? Dwight McNeil is the only one I can think of, which he promoted with great success. Dyche has made Branthwaite the 50+ million defender that he is today. Two good examples of his work with young players 👏

Edited 11 May 2025 by scinnell

[teblin]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

I work with an Everton season ticket holder. The way he describes Dyche’s preferred style of football, and his obsession with playing ageing workhorses while sidelining promising young players, is the stuff of nightmares. Be very afraid. 

True, then I know a Burnley fan that loves him. 
 

Like I said not my choice at all.

[richardsfoxes]

Him and Danny Rohl we're my ideal choices, we dont need fancy football right now, we need authority and playing for the shirt/club, he will instill that and accept nothing else. 

[sylofox]

4 hours ago, teblin said:

But I think some fans, maybe older ones would like it.

 

WTF As age got to do with it?

 

I really am fed up with this BOLLOX that because fans are old we want to stick with the owners.

We don't sing.

We want clappers.

Rudkin +Top are our heroes.

We are happy with certain types of football.

And no I don't eat prawn sandwiches as I'm sea food intolerant.

 

We've seen some of the worst football McClintock Pleat. Walked streets not knowing if you was going to get jumped.

Stood in pen 2 getting showered with coins and even batteries. Rock's thrown at us at wolves Leeds Derby.

 

Yet still we support our club.

 

Age is FVCK ALL TO DO WITH IT.

 

[STEVIE B]

As previously pointed out, unless there are changes at the top, very little will change. The not being honest regarding transfer funds, lack of accountability for huge errors etc will continue. 

It's like marking your own homework. 

[Lesta Legend]

12 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

In his 13 years at Burnley and Everton you can literally count on one hand the number of academy players he has promoted to the 1st team …let alone give them a significant number of appearances, only McNeil has really developed into an established player.

 

so bring him in and you can pretty much forget seeing a team/squad brimming with the likes of Nelson, Aluko, Braybrooke, Cartwright, Alves, Monga, Evans et al. 
 

The lack of clarity and consistency in the decision making at our club truly beggars belief 

Someone quoted earlier on his time at Burnley that he heavily used the youth team promoting lots to the first team. So you’re only half right. But one can understand the logic of not doing that in the premier league. 
 

But your 💯% right regards to decision making at the club. It’s a shambles. If anything he was the manager you should be appointing to try and galvanise a poor squad without money to spend - not insist of a ‘possession’ based at approach manager who has next to no experience then not back him in the transfer market. The board can’t be trusted to get anything right. 
 

With the mess we’re in we could do a lot worse than appointing a coach like Dyche. He’s done a lot of out of the field talks that highlights his ideas on the game, some will have you believe he’s some kind of dinosaur. 
 

Personally I’d go Will Stil, Rohl or Cifuentes. However that rely on the board having got their arse into gear and reorganised a structure off the field that help these managers thrive. One thing we can’t afford next year is to do a Luton. 

[teblin]

2 minutes ago, sylofox said:

WTF As age got to do with it?

 

I really am fed up with this BOLLOX that because fans are old we want to stick with the owners.

We don't sing.

We want clappers.

Rudkin +Top are our heroes.

We are happy with certain types of football.

And no I don't eat prawn sandwiches as I'm sea food intolerant.

 

We've seen some of the worst football McClintock Pleat. Walked streets not knowing if you was going to get jumped.

Stood in pen 2 getting showered with coins and even batteries. Rock's thrown at us at wolves Leeds Derby.

 

Yet still we support our club.

 

Age is FVCK ALL TO DO WITH IT.

 

I’m not young btw. 
 

I didn’t see McClintock but witnessed pleat, I was meaning more of a return to the more direct football of the 90s under O’Neill, little and to some extent Adam’s.

 

My opinion was formed from talking to people, the older people I have spoken to have said Dyche younger people have mentioned other names.

Sorry didn’t mean to cause offence. Though not being young I thought I was ok to make the comment. 

 

[Fox1norfolk]

2 minutes ago, richardsfoxes said:

Him and Danny Rohl we're my ideal choices, we dont need fancy football right now, we need authority and playing for the shirt/club, he will instill that and accept nothing else. 

In the past he would not be my first choice, but in the dire mess we are in there is a danger of sliding down the championship. Obviously certain players need to be brought into line, Wicks who was not prepared to stay at Seagrave overnight, Vestergard bringing his dog to training is all very unprofessional,  as these guys are taking home wages that are in the region of nearly 1/2 million per month. They are taking the p…….

[Claudio Fannieri]

14 minutes ago, Lesta Legend said:

Someone quoted earlier on his time at Burnley that he heavily used the youth team promoting lots to the first team. So you’re only half right. But one can understand the logic of not doing that in the premier league. 
 

But your 💯% right regards to decision making at the club. It’s a shambles. If anything he was the manager you should be appointing to try and galvanise a poor squad without money to spend - not insist of a ‘possession’ based at approach manager who has next to no experience then not back him in the transfer market. The board can’t be trusted to get anything right. 
 

With the mess we’re in we could do a lot worse than appointing a coach like Dyche. He’s done a lot of out of the field talks that highlights his ideas on the game, some will have you believe he’s some kind of dinosaur. 
 

Personally I’d go Will Stil, Rohl or Cifuentes. However that rely on the board having got their arse into gear and reorganised a structure off the field that help these managers thrive. One thing we can’t afford next year is to do a Luton. 

I would love for someone to provide a list of the players other than Dwight McNeill he promoted from the academy and gave meaningful game time to, because there isn’t any others I am aware of that have played a significant number of games. 
 

he has some qualities and attributes sadly lacking at the club but for me he is so far away from where we are as a club that i genuinely fear what direction of travel we heading in. We build a new training facility designed to help develop and retain our own young talent then potentially employ a manager who has a proven track record of barely ever using or trusting academy players. 
 

Top and Rudkin please make it make sense 

[HankMarvin]

2 hours ago, DLH said:

Did he?

 

Players look better under Moyes. Fans are happy he’s gone.

 

SD is a spent force that will create further division in an already fractured club.

There is a reason Moyes got the Job at Man U and won a European cup at West Ham. 
I’m not sure why all the people that use the improvement at Everton as a stick to beat Dyche. 
Everton with new investment and new stadium moved on and upgraded. We have been relegated and need rebuilding.

[Tuna]

100% top choice for me.

[bmt]

Such a bad idea. 

[Fazzer 7]

Rudkin is a dinosaur and in football terms belongs in the 1980-90's. I think I'd rather keep RVN than bring SD in. 

Edited 11 May 2025 by Fazzer 7

[Jazzy_Jeff]

Those saying that he didn’t use Burnley’s academy - ever thought that perhaps they couldn’t attract the talent we can?

 

Theyre in the catchment of the Manchester clubs and aren’t known for their facilities and youth structure.

 

Us on the other hand regularly produce talent. Dyche looks to me the sort that would use youth is they were good enough.l

[moore_94]

Appearances and minutes of players 21 or under when Dyche was manager - League Only

 

Watford - 11/12 - 11th in Championship

12 players

101 appearances

7373 minutes

 

Burnley - 12/13 - 11th in Championship

6 players

107 appearances

7582 minutes

77 appearances were Kieran Trippier and Danny Ings

 

Burnley - 13/14 - 2nd in Championship - promoted

3 players

42 appearances

3550 minutes

40 appearances were Danny Ings

 

Burnley - 14/15 - 19th in Premier League - relegated

3 players

60 appearances

4696 minutes

56 appearances were Michael Keane and Danny Ings

 

Burnley - 15/16 - 1st in Championship - promoted

1 player

10 appearances

146 minutes

 

Burnley - 16/17 - 16th in Premier League

2 players

6 appearances

106 minutes

 

Burnley - 17/18 - 7th in Premier League - qualified for Europa League

1 player

1 appearance

1 minute

Dwight McNeil

 

Burnley - 18/19 - 15th in Premier League

1 player

21 appearances

1598 minutes

Dwight McNeil

 

Burnley - 19/20 - 10th in Premier League

2 players

39 appearances

3345 minutes

Dwight McNeil and a player who played 1 minute

 

Burnley - 20/21 - 17th in Premier League

4 players

48 appearances

3373 minutes

Dwight McNeil accounts for 36 appearances and 3072 minutes

 

Burnley - 21/22 - 18th in Premier League - relegated and sacked on 15th April

2 players

57 appearances

4782 minutes

Dwight McNeil and Nathan Collins - 8 appearances/720 mins for Collins were after Dyche left

 

Gets a bit harder to do his time at Everton but if we take his 1 full season in charge:

 

Everton - 23/24 - 15th in Premier League

8 players

118 appearances

6633 minutes played

 

Onana 3117 minutes - was already a key starter before Dyche joined

 

Branthwaite 2090 minutes - he can get credit for giving Branthwaite a chance

 

Patterson 1000 minutes - was signed and already playing regularly before Dyche joined (until he got injured)

Edited 11 May 2025 by moore_94

[moore_94]

So in his whole career so far I think he has pretty much only properly brought through Ings, McNeil, and Branthwaite?

Edited 11 May 2025 by moore_94

[lcfcsnow]

Sean Dyche isn't interested in anyone who's not well built, prefers british players over anything bordering flair. He's basically the manager version of Guy Branston

[Legend_in_blue]

He's the manager you need to get you out of the Championship, sort out the defence and instill some discipline and hard work into the team.  Then next season you bring in someone else who can take the team forward as he isn't good enough for the Premiership as Farke and Parker will prove once again.

 

Regardless, this is all moot until the people above the manager are sorted out.

[winteriscoming]

How can you go from Enzo to Dyche is completely baffling and typical of this club having no long term plans in place. 
Guaranteed if Dyche got the job his first signing would be Ings.