Sean Dyche

[Craig]

43 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Let’s not give him credit for the quickest relegation we have suffered in the top flight, to the point where it doesn’t matter who he starts.

He wasn’t so keen on youth when he walked in the door and results mattered 

I can't stand RVN and want him gone already, but in his defence on this point... I have it from a very good source that for the QPR cup game he was told under no circumstances must he involve any of the academy lads (except those already featuring obviously) in the matchday squad, and to put out the strongest XI possible - just so we could win the game.

 

Clearly upstairs didn't have any faith in the academy lads, and was probably the case during PL fixtures until our fate was completely sealed. 
 

It may well be that he's wanted them to be more involved, but has been following instruction - if that's the case that may remain an issue for any other manager too. 
 

 

 

 

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, kingfox said:

But people talk as if all our better academy players are ready for the first team, when it’s highly likely that may not be the case. 
 

Take Will Alves for example, I wanted him in the first team this season, like many others did. His loan spell at Cardiff has perhaps proved, that he wasn’t actually ready for first team Premier League football. Even next season regardless of who the manager is, do I expect Will Alves to be in the starting 11 week in week out, possibly not. 
 

We just don’t know how the likes of Monga, Evans and Page will continue to develop. Some of our youngsters are probably ready to feature in the first team, some may need a loan spell or two in League 1 & 2. 
 

Academy players develop differently, some are always bound to go out on loan, it’s an inevitable process mate. 

My other take from Dyche woukd be that he’s only developed one attacking player and he must be the most Bolton esque winger post 2010. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

While I posted earlier to say an absolute no to Dyche, perhaps Dyche and his no nonsense style is the man to tell Top where all the problems are…

 

 

 

 

[STEVIE B]

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Obviously you're undecided then ? 

[The_77]

51 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

No doubt RVN would stay if given the choice. The fact that the club is still avoiding talking to him about next season means one of two things: 1) They’ve decided to replace him but haven’t told him yet; or 2) They’ve haven’t made a decision yet.

 

If it’s the latter and we beat Ipswich next week and then put in a decent performance against Bournemouth, the club might just give him a another stab at it next season - especially if we’re cutting it fine again with PSR, which it sounds like we may be.

Judging by their track record, I’d be shocked if they’ve made any sort of decision yet. 

[STEVIE B]

4 hours ago, Levi Port said:

Not chance we get him, Cooper was an awful fit and this guy is no different 

The very fact we appointed Cooper & RvN, says we aren't very good at making good choices. Dyche would make it a hat-trick.

 

I've said it before we are shopping in Primark. Our days of 'pick any decent manager', have long gone. We are a circus of a club, with clowns at the helm. Shambles. 

[The_77]

21 minutes ago, Craig said:

I can't stand RVN and want him gone already, but in his defence on this point... I have it from a very good source that for the QPR cup game he was told under no circumstances must he involve any of the academy lads (except those already featuring obviously) in the matchday squad, and to put out the strongest XI possible - just so we could win the game.

 

Clearly upstairs didn't have any faith in the academy lads, and was probably the case during PL fixtures until our fate was completely sealed. 
 

It may well be that he's wanted them to be more involved, but has been following instruction - if that's the case that may remain an issue for any other manager too. 
 

 

 

 

Interesting that in his BSLB appearance, Guy Branston expressed a similar anpprehension and attitude about playing youngsters to that that our Board, given his closeness with Rudkin. 

[Dan]

7 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Well, it doesn’t matter if you care or not, the club wants a specific style, so that’s what they will look to achieve. 
 

Has he? I stand to be corrected by @dsr-burnley but I have never known Dyche to be a promoter of youth to the extent we have been? Nor do I recall Burnley having a model of selling home grown assets to then sell on….

 

He did, but he had a squad that suited him, they were scrappers and that where Dyche thrives…. But there’s no long term future with him, what we need is someone with a long term vision, Dyche would change everything about the club, in terms of playing style, and then once his time eventually runs out, we would need another overhaul and restart. 
 

It’s more concerning that Dyche’s track record doesn’t seem to extent beyond being a “fixer upper”. I’m of the opinion we don’t need that, what we need is someone with the capability of presenting a long term plan. Inexperience doesn’t mean you can’t do the job, and neither does experience…. Anyone who suggests Maresca didn’t prove anything is just being facetious, he was exactly what we needed, yes he was stubborn and that probably held us back, but he would have learnt as he has done this season with Chelsea. But he came in and basically said, “I run the show, it’s my way or the highway”…. He proved that you can get things moving in the right direction again fairly quickly. 
 

If Dyche was to come here I’d give him a chance, but I’m extremely dubious about him, and concerned about what his forward planning would be…. I don’t agree he is a man who can rebuild the squad, he is capable of building a solid team, but I’m still not convinced he would be the man to lead the club into the future….. but I’d be happily proved wrong. 

This went out the window the day Steve Cooper was appointed. I don't think it's some sort of masterplan, they very much wing it. Man City reference was convenient at the time of appointing Maresca - he'd probably ask Dyche if he could have us playing like PSG.

[dsr-burnley]

36 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

My other take from Dyche woukd be that he’s only developed one attacking player and he must be the most Bolton esque winger post 2010. 

(ahem) Chris Wood?    

 

Also Ashley Barnes, Danny Ings, Andre Gray, Sam Vokes.  He knows how to turn decent forwards into good forwards, and perhaps if he was given good forwards he could turn them into excellent ones.

 

He also turned Scott Arfield and George Boyd into PL players.  Give him a better starting point and you might finish with a better finishing point.

[indierich06]

58 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

They were young but the point is that right now we need to show a clear pathway of players from 17 to 19 yr old bracket (like many clubs do).
 

Asking Monga, Evans, Page to go on three loans until they are 22 won’t keep them. They’ll be gone. 

It’s long time the club changing its strategy in way Arsenal have recently for example. 

 

It's fine for us as fans to want this, but there's no suggestion that this is a key part of any new appointment from the board's perspective. Imagine they will have one objective next season - promotion at any cost. 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Very true. But unless he’s blatantly lying he is wanting to use the younger lads for the future. Says it in every interview, probably just trying to get the fans onside. 

And the owner if we can produce some much needed new talent to generate future funds 

[MaidstoneFox]

He is yesterday's man. His achievements have been quite a few years ago now in football terms and he's not really coming down from a high bar. Neither is he a renaissance man re-inventing himself. There's quite a limited ceiling on what he'll provide.

[Dan]

1 hour ago, Craig said:

I can't stand RVN and want him gone already, but in his defence on this point... I have it from a very good source that for the QPR cup game he was told under no circumstances must he involve any of the academy lads (except those already featuring obviously) in the matchday squad, and to put out the strongest XI possible - just so we could win the game.

 

Clearly upstairs didn't have any faith in the academy lads, and was probably the case during PL fixtures until our fate was completely sealed. 
 

It may well be that he's wanted them to be more involved, but has been following instruction - if that's the case that may remain an issue for any other manager too. 

Utterly preposterous - against a crap QPR side who rotated themselves. We have bigger issues than the possibility of Dyche.

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

He’s approximately fifteen years in management and shown zero trend of taking players from the 17/18/19 bracket into first team football. Generally when you have that amount of time at a club it’s become self fulfilling. Young players don’t see the path way, so why join a club managed by Dyche?

 

The same scrunity hasn’t been afforded to managers correct. That’s because for the first time in umpteen years we have numerous players capable of the jump up and therefore you’d think you want a manager whom has a history of taking a risk developing players from that 17-19. Even more so attacking ones given that’s where we are a lot stronger in the academy currently 
 

What does zero trend look like?

 

There is already an explanation on page one regarding Everton’s short fall in producing good young players during the years prior to his tenure regarding their ban.

 

 

 

Burnley with the context of this period being in the top flight where performances can cost you your job when you are battling relegation most seasons.

Watford 1 season 

 

[Pliskin]

Isn’t he a personal friend of Rudkin? 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

This threads getting hot...looks like he's coming....and by all accounts wants the job 

Edited 12 May 2025 by CrispinLA in Texas

[fox_favourite]

13 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Isn’t he a personal friend of Rudkin? 

Rudkin has friends?!

[moore_94]

7 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Rudkin has friends?!

I'd be his best mate if I knew how easily he throws massive contracts around

[whoareyaaa]

6 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

 

Given the people we are linked with so far and who are likely to come, I would rather the club keep Rudd. (Martin, Dyche, Manning)

 

He 6th months + here now, he understands what he has available, what needs to change, who needs to go, what he might need to add. He seems to be working well with the young players whilst keeping their best interests at heart (exams etc). He looks likely to continue that.

 

My fear is we bring in new ideas, they take a good few months to figure out whats, what, whos, who, adds a few players, changes the style, ignores the young players and then we struggle and get stuck in the managerial merrygoround, there comes a point you have to stick with someone a bit, we cant just keep sacking managers.

 

Yes we have been awful, weve been awful all year. He's been working with a difficult set up, none of us really know the conditions but they aren't good, some of the more senior players have a very poor mentality, there seems to be a poor culture. Id day since Barry Murphy and King has come in things have started to improve slowly and that kind of shows in results. Big changes cant happen in weeks or even a few months, it might take a period of time for the ground work, the teams to be built. That same Forest side absolutely wiped the floor with us at the KP. Look at Pearson after Sven, it took time for him to start getting a tune out of that team when he cleared out some of the dross. Rudd has not been given a window to being in any of his own players, not one.

 

If we could 100% get someone like Rohl, or an overseas outside the box option, and get them in as soon as the season ends fair enough but if we wait till June 30th due to PSR and then bring in a Dyche or Martin, that would be a massive cluster ****. 

 

The time for Dyche was back in November, not now. 

 

What we need is to build an ethos, stability, structures at the club for a future. We really need to develop what young talent we have, reduce our spending and really get on top of this PSR issue and continue to run a sustainable structure. Wages need to be largely based on a bonus/success basis where possible. Potentially if we utilise Monga, Evan, Alves, Nelson, Stolarczyk, with Fatawu, Mavididi, maybe Skipp and a few others for experience weve got a decent looking championship side without too much investment. 

 

5 hours ago, splinterdream said:

I would rather we spent money on a DoF, coaches, scouts, a team of people who know football players, how to spot talent, how to negotiate contracts, how to train players to a system, and if that means keeping ruud to pick the side and stand on the sideline, so be it.

Good posts, I agree.

[Sankey93]

Dyche in and then maupay 😂

[winteriscoming]

5 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

Dyche in and then maupay 😂

So a front 3 of Maupay, Ayew and Ings. 

[SecretPro]

3 hours ago, Fox85 said:

Yes

No.

[kingfox]

4 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

Dyche in and then maupay 😂

Replace a wind-up merchant in Vardy, with another wind-up merchant in Maupay. 
 

This is the continuity fans are looking for right? 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

What does zero trend look like?

 

There is already an explanation on page one regarding Everton’s short fall in producing good young players during the years prior to his tenure regarding their ban.

 

 

 

Burnley with the context of this period being in the top flight where performances can cost you your job when you are battling relegation most seasons.

Watford 1 season 

 

If we park Watford cos that was six months, do we have how much time these lads spent on the pitch? 

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

(ahem) Chris Wood?    

 

Also Ashley Barnes, Danny Ings, Andre Gray, Sam Vokes.  He knows how to turn decent forwards into good forwards, and perhaps if he was given good forwards he could turn them into excellent ones.

 

He also turned Scott Arfield and George Boyd into PL players.  Give him a better starting point and you might finish with a better finishing point.

Hardly an attractive list of talent and creativity there