General News Thread

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Salisbury Fox said:

It feels like you have a bit of an agenda or are ignorant of distinction, proportionality, and precautions in attack in compliance with the law of armed conflict. I am not disagreeing with the sentiment of your posts, rather I am trying to add some context for why it may not be deliberate.

And in that case, I might redirect you to the ideas of both Hanlons Razor and Grays Law above. 

[Raj]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ceqvwrydzpqt

 

 

Trump accuses Starmer of seeking to 'join wars after we've already won' and says UK aircraft carriers not needed

 

 

Orangeman has thrown his toys out the pram again.

Starmer should go tell him to grow up and fvcking do one..🤣🤣

Edited 7 March by Raj

[MPH]

6 minutes ago, Salisbury Fox said:

It feels like you have a bit of an agenda or are ignorant of distinction, proportionality, and precautions in attack in compliance with the law of armed conflict. I am not disagreeing with the sentiment of your posts, rather I am trying to add some context for why it may not be deliberate.

 

 

“ we  just killed hundreds of school children. But don’t worry, it wasn’t deliberate”.

 

Parents - “ Thanks, that helps soften the blow”

 

said no parent ever.

 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

“ we  just killed hundreds of school children. But don’t worry, it wasn’t deliberate”.

 

Parents - “ Thanks, that helps soften the blow”

 

said no parent ever.

 

Yeah, a "but we didn't mean to" coupled with an apparent lack of any kind of contrition or humility isn't really a good look. 

[westernpark]

Hilary Clinton testified. Bill Clinton testified. Donald Trump bombed Iran. Sir Keir deserves our support.

[Salisbury Fox]

17 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And in that case, I might redirect you to the ideas of both Hanlons Razor and Grays Law above. 

So again no proof then

[Salisbury Fox]

13 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

“ we  just killed hundreds of school children. But don’t worry, it wasn’t deliberate”.

 

Parents - “ Thanks, that helps soften the blow”

 

said no parent ever.

 

That’s not the point of my post but whatever gets you likes I suppose

[leicsmac]

Just now, Salisbury Fox said:

So again no proof then

The whole point of the above is that proof of malice is not needed when sufficiently advanced incompetence produces the same effect here. 

 

This event, given what is known about how it happened, is indefensible and unjustifiable within any context of this particular conflict and I'm not sure why anyone would try. 

[MPH]

11 minutes ago, Salisbury Fox said:

That’s not the point of my post but whatever gets you likes I suppose

 

what was the point of your post?

[Salisbury Fox]

7 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The whole point of the above is that proof of malice is not needed when sufficiently advanced incompetence produces the same effect here. 

 

This event, given what is known about how it happened, is indefensible and unjustifiable within any context of this particular conflict and I'm not sure why anyone would try. 

We’ll show me proof then and I will accept that this was a deliberately targeted attack. I will also add add that any civilian casualty in war is not something that I would accept blindly, rather I want to see proof of incompetence or of a deliberate attack

[Salisbury Fox]

2 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

what was the point of your post?

That you cannot say an attack is deliberate without proof. I figured that was obvious as I spelt it out whilst trying to be friendly with Debs. I am in no way supportive of indiscriminate attacks on civilians, I do however understand the targeting process more than I would care to mind

[leicsmac]

Just now, Salisbury Fox said:

We’ll show me proof then and I will accept that this was a deliberately targeted attack. I will also add add that any civilian casualty in war is not something that I would accept blindly, rather I want to see proof of incompetence or of a deliberate attack

The weapon that caused the explosion was US in origin. (Unless that is somehow still subject to dispute.)

 

The result of the explosion has been widely reported. 

 

That seems like enough proof of both incompetence and consequences of incompetence in this case to me.

[MPH]

Just now, Salisbury Fox said:

That you cannot say an attack is deliberate without proof. I figured that was obvious as I spelt it out whilst trying to be friendly with Debs. I am in no way supportive of indiscriminate attacks on civilians, I do however understand the targeting process more than I would care to mind

friendly with debs? You accused her of  possibly having an agenda or being ignorant within the space of 5-6 words

[Salisbury Fox]

4 minutes ago, MPH said:

friendly with debs? You accused her of  possibly having an agenda or being ignorant within the space of 5-6 words

Not in my first response to her I didn’t. Perhaps I was frustrated that she was unable to accept a possibility of a different interpretation and so I apologise if that’s the case. 

[Zear0]

50 minutes ago, Raj said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ceqvwrydzpqt

 

 

Trump accuses Starmer of seeking to 'join wars after we've already won' and says UK aircraft carriers not needed

 

 

Orangeman has thrown his toys out the pram again.

Starmer should go tell him to grow up and fvcking do one..🤣🤣

Love how much he's in his head and that he's so oblivious to how unpopular he is over here that he's probably helping Starmer out. 

[StanSP]

3 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

I've seen it mentioned here a few times, do we know that the Iranians were definitely storing munitions under or in the school building? Everything I've read suggests that the school was in close proximity to IRGC buildings, but completely separate.

 

Either way to target it knowing that it was a school day is unforgivable. 

Didn't Israel say the same about bombing schools in Gaza. Their 'intelligence' said so... 

[Md9]

Quicker this orange Buffoon dies of natural causes the better for everyone 

[Wymsey]

15 minutes ago, Md9 said:

Quicker this orange Buffoon dies of natural causes the better for everyone 

Be careful what you wish for..

 

Wish Starmer is assertive as he is in solving own countries' issues.

Edited 7 March by Wymsey

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, Raj said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ceqvwrydzpqt

 

 

Trump accuses Starmer of seeking to 'join wars after we've already won' and says UK aircraft carriers not needed

 

 

Orangeman has thrown his toys out the pram again.

Starmer should go tell him to grow up and fvcking do one..🤣🤣

Perhaps he should have told us what was happening beforehand. He does realise that warships needs supplying and to get into position, right?

 

Actually, probably not.

 

Besides which, he can't have done that cos it's not a real war. (Has congress ratified this yet?)

 

Also, also, they didn't exactly jump in to defend the world against fascism did they?

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Be careful what you wish for..

 

Wish Starmer is assertive as he is in solving own countries' issues.

You mean like Scotland and Wales?

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

Either way to target it knowing that it was a school day is unforgivable. 

Could've targeted it during a night raid.

 

But no.

 

Stuff like this just creates another generation of terrorists.

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Salisbury Fox said:

We’ll show me proof then and I will accept that this was a deliberately targeted attack. I will also add add that any civilian casualty in war is not something that I would accept blindly, rather I want to see proof of incompetence or of a deliberate attack

They've put a precision munition into a school during opening hours. Even if it was meant for the building next door, do you seriously not see any problem with that unless it was intended to hit the school? These aren't medieval catapults the US is using - it's guided munitions with incredibly high accuracy. If it hit that area then it was meant to hit that area. Stop playing internet troll. 

[Corky]

58 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Perhaps he should have told us what was happening beforehand. He does realise that warships needs supplying and to get into position, right?

 

Actually, probably not.

 

Besides which, he can't have done that cos it's not a real war. (Has congress ratified this yet?)

 

Also, also, they didn't exactly jump in to defend the world against fascism did they?

He'll change his mind in a couple of days. It is what he always does.

[st albans fox]

10 hours ago, MPH said:

If this is true. That’s pretty high level  turncoat spying..

There is a running joke in Israeli media that this guy is an Israeli spy. Basically he is continually avoiding being killed in strikes against Iranian military leadership. Someone created spoof social media accounts for him.  I’m 99.9% sure that this is just another piss take. 

[WigstonWanderer]

3 hours ago, Salisbury Fox said:

It feels like you have a bit of an agenda or are ignorant of distinction, proportionality, and precautions in attack in compliance with the law of armed conflict. I am not disagreeing with the sentiment of your posts, rather I am trying to add some context for why it may not be deliberate.

What on earth is contentious about Deb’s comment?

 

Edit: OK, don’t bother, I see it’s already been discussed 

Edited 8 March by WigstonWanderer