General News Thread

[StanSP]

13 minutes ago, David Guiza II said:

will never understand those that immediately head out to join the protests with tops off and flares like it's a parade. 

A way to vent all of their anger, generally speaking. 

 

Misplaced anger for the most part, given what you hear as to why some go on the protests. 

[Tommy G]

3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

A way to vent all of their anger, generally speaking. 

 

Misplaced anger for the most part, given what you hear as to why some go on the protests. 

Hopefully they will be distracted by the World Cup soon and head to Wetherspoons and start lobbing garden furniture about instead. 

[StanSP]

3 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Hopefully they will be distracted by the World Cup soon and head to Wetherspoons and start lobbing garden furniture about instead. 

Hopefully it's that and not the worrying DA figures whenever there's a big tournament on 

[Robo61]

34 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Early days for a lot of the statistics pertaining for the new policy changes

Fair comment, but perhaps we should wait for those to come out before drawing conclusions based on one tragic incident.  

[Foxdiamond]

15 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

Fair comment, but perhaps we should wait for those to come out before drawing conclusions based on one tragic incident.  

Also fair comment 

[kenny]

58 minutes ago, David Guiza II said:

Whilst slightly more rousing than her usual spiel, I did find the comments from Badenoch on a seminal moment akin to Stephen Lawrence slightly out of touch. His was a case that took decades to get anything remotely close to justice, with some guilty parties almost certainly still yet to face any kind of trial. 

 

I'm also acutely aware that human reaction to extremely emotional events like this mean that rationality and sense goes out the window, but I will never understand those that immediately head out to join the protests with tops off and flares like it's a parade. 

 

It's just so bleak. 

I can't fathom any of these marching protests. Total waste of time and cost to the state.

[ramboacdc]

Since our last set of riots  flag shagging protests or demonstrations which I believe was Southport, I have removed myself from all social media. I didn't even realise this cracked off last night and it was blissful to not sit there watching the far right stir up trouble. 

Any excuse to get the brick video back out. 
 

 

 

The info coming out in the past few days of the police officer arresting him saying "you haven't been stabbed" is the bit that I think is also stirring some stuff. Lad cuffed because he is accused of being racist and then not believed on being stabbed and not checked. I don't think it's 2 tier policing, I think all policing in this country is sub par. If they arrested the wrong man on a racism claim, that is one thing, but not believing or checking him saying he had been stabbed just makes it worse. Wonder if it was that one who has resigned or not. I can't see that if it isn't him that the review won't recommend removing him. Is there nothing he can be charged for? I know the poor lad was all but dead following the stab through the heart, but it feels a crime that he just let him die and didn't try to help him. I know there is a difference between what feels like and what is a crime though. 

[Pliskin]

My opinion for what it’s worth. 
 

This isn’t an example of “two tier policing” what it is, is a few officers displaying a terrible judgement call, a real lack of ability to recognise the situation, and act accordingly. 
 

Why? No one will know apart from the officers dealing with him… what is clear that an opportunity to save a young man’s life has been missed, and his is the most tragic part…

 

Police officers are trained to deal with scenarios like this and the fact they haven’t even immediately investigated the claims of the victim being stabbed is a wholesale failure to adequately deal with the situation. 
 

What this isn’t is a representation of every police force in the country, it’s a few officers, this shouldn’t then give the far right an excuse to start rioting and causing more issues. Farage has started stirring hate and now fear that we will see ugly scenes in Leicester now too….. 

 

there are probably and tragically hundreds of example of people being stabbed and police officers doing an amazing job at helping them, but you don’t hear about these incidents, one isolated incident and it seems  to be an opportunity to tar all officers with the same brush and it be an excuse for many to resort to violence and racist ideology… 

 

This is a situation where a young victim has been failed, and I’m pretty sure his family wouldn’t want widespread disorder and national devision to be part of their son’s legacy. People can quickly lose sight of the real message when this happens, and start to turn tragic situations into a circus. 

[JonnyBoy]

4 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Of course it was wrong to cuff him

bit it’s not a criminal offence 

 

if they’d seen him ‘bleeding out’ then they would have dealt with it differently. The stab wounds  to the heart that effectively killed him led to massive loss of blood into his lungs. 
 

they denied him dignity in death. His life wasn’t saveable by the time they arrived.  

 

Why didn't they check for stab wounds straight away when he said he has been stabbed? "i don't think you have mate" was the term muttered 

[Jon the Hat]

7 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

Why didn't they check for stab wounds straight away when he said he has been stabbed? "i don't think you have mate" was the term muttered 

In their defense, I would imagine it extremely rare to arrive at a stabbing to find the actual attacker still there and calmly accusing the victim of a racist attack.  Psychopathic behaviour imo, and out of the ordinary for the officers involved.  

[Raj]

Gurudwara are quick to issue statements  and condemning  this horrible attack.

Hopefully  it stops Dave and his boys chucking bins and bricks at each other if the weather is good.

[bovril]

42 minutes ago, Raj said:

Gurudwara are quick to issue statements  and condemning  this horrible attack.

Hopefully  it stops Dave and his boys chucking bins and bricks at each other if the weather is good.

Is it going to stop you making generalizations about other groups or are you going to stick with Dave on that one?

[Raj]

6 minutes ago, bovril said:

Is it going to stop you making generalizations about other groups or are you going to stick with Dave on that one?

 

 

 

Looks like Dave and his beer swilling flag waving Reform boys to me unless you see different with your rose tinted glasses?

[Raj]

2 hours ago, kenny said:

I can't fathom any of these marching protests. Total waste of time and cost to the state.

I'll informed and uneducated 

Easily led.

Never see these "marches and protests" in the depth of Winter.

 

Pity they listen to Uncle Tommy ( who ironically has a Sikh as one of his inner circle but is quick to run to Southampton to  have his say to Daves mob) rather than the father...

 

Henry Nowak's father said: "We do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred, or tension."

[bovril]

11 minutes ago, Raj said:

 

 

 

Looks like Dave and his beer swilling flag waving Reform boys to me unless you see different with your rose tinted glasses?

was talking about comments you've made about other ethnic groups, though maybe I'm mistaking you with another poster

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, JonnyBoy said:

Why didn't they check for stab wounds straight away when he said he has been stabbed? "i don't think you have mate" was the term muttered 

It was dark and I guess they couldn’t see the amount of blood they’d expect to. 
they really screwed up because they just believed what they’d been told by the family.  The accusations of racism made to the call handler did the damage because it created a narrative for the officers when they arrived.
they were told that there had been no physical violence and simply didn’t believe what the dying man tried to tell them. 

I think we all agree that the officers let their profession (and of course Henry)  down bigtime.

 

but that doesn’t excuse the behaviour of farage and his cohorts in bringing a riot to the streets. 

 

 

[Corky]

I really feel for Henry's family and his father's very dignified statement. Time to listen to his words, let the family grieve and any investigation take its course.

 

Again, it is horrifying how quickly younger people think that stabbing is the answer. Sadly, I don't see an easy solution.

[DJW1]

1 hour ago, Raj said:

 

 

 

Looks like Dave and his beer swilling flag waving Reform boys to me unless you see different with your rose tinted glasses?

According to that man´s t-shirt, "Britain" now includes Northern Ireland. Also, the Isle of Wight is missing. They won´t like that in Shanklin.

In the background, lurking near the bushes, is a lad recording it on his mobile. Probably an intern getting some practice in for next season.

 

I believe that the far-right, left, Greens etc. etc. should be allowed to demonstrate, peacefully, without any counter-demonstrations.

[LCFCJohn]

17 minutes ago, DJW1 said:

According to that man´s t-shirt, "Britain" now includes Northern Ireland. Also, the Isle of Wight is missing. They won´t like that in Shanklin.

In the background, lurking near the bushes, is a lad recording it on his mobile. Probably an intern getting some practice in for next season.

 

I believe that the far-right, left, Greens etc. etc. should be allowed to demonstrate, peacefully, without any counter-demonstrations.

Thing is, the far right aren’t peaceful. They go out looking for and causing violence.

 

From the BBC feed

 

Speaking to locals, many are nervous about talking to us.

Those that have do not want to be named or pictured, but have told us of their sadness and anger at what’s happened.

 

They are causing people to be afraid to go out, making people afraid to speak to the media for fear of backlash.

 

Hardly peaceful!

[Pliskin]

3 hours ago, JonnyBoy said:

Why didn't they check for stab wounds straight away when he said he has been stabbed? "i don't think you have mate" was the term muttered 

This is the thing, without seeing the full footage (because some of it would have been cropped) we don’t know if they did…

 

Perhaps the officers did look and couldn’t find a stab wound. 
 

There’s a misconception that a stabbing generated buckets of blood and a massive wound, I have seen posts reading “the cops cuffed Henry as he lay in a pool of his own blood”…. Well this clearly isn’t the case, because had the officers seen such a thing, I’m sure they would have reacted a lot quicker. 
 

Being stabbed in the heart for example with a small blade, will still penetrate the heart, but the wound itself can reseal fairly quickly, and then the heart will continue to pump, and as a result there will be massive internal bleeding….. my guess is, that this is what has unfortunately happened to Henry….. 

 

Where the officers have failed, is they should have called an ambulance immediately, if you have someone saying they have been stabbed, then medical attention has to be sought. Police officers aren’t paramedics, their first aid is fairly basic, so potentially the only way to tell Henry had been stabbed may have been to hook him up to medical equipment and see what his heart is doing….. then they would have quickly realised something was wrong. 
 

It appears from the footage we have seen, that the officers haven’t done this, wherever led to that decision is ultimately fatally wrong, but it’s certainly not evidence of two tier policing. 
 

The full facts may be published one day, but I think personally when you’ve got potential mass disorder brewing, the full facts should be revealed sooner, with the blessing of Henry’s family of course.

 

The reactions to it typically are from the same people who attend protests with Tommy Robinson, so are they there in the memory of Henry or are they just there to be violent? 

[FoxesDeb]

Above all else, Henry's parents' wishes need to be listened to. They have suffered an immeasurable tragedy, from which they will never recover. 

 

They have requested peace.

 

Of course lessons need to be learned, but these vile people politicising it need to just educate themselves and not allow themselves to be sucked in by the likes of Farage and Yaxley-Lennon who are clearly adept at capitalising on horrific incidents like these for their own gain.

[DJW1]

29 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Thing is, the far right aren’t peaceful. They go out looking for and causing violence.

 

From the BBC feed

 

Speaking to locals, many are nervous about talking to us.

Those that have do not want to be named or pictured, but have told us of their sadness and anger at what’s happened.

 

They are causing people to be afraid to go out, making people afraid to speak to the media for fear of backlash.

 

Hardly peaceful!

Yes. I hope that people will see that and think twice about voting for parties that encourage and endorse such action.

In the 1970s, when the NF was active, Brian Clough addressed a political meeting and someone shouted that "we should smash the fascists". Clough responded "No. We should ignore them. That will hurt them more."

[Fox in the North]

Excellent response from Starmer on this imo.

[Trav Le Bleu]

So it's okay to say that we have a two tier police where white people are badly treated compared to Asians (they're not), but when I say that (which has been statistically proven)

black people generally feel second class compared to how white people are treated, I'm censored?

 

Anti-black discrimination systemic in Met Police, report finds - BBC News

 

https://share.google/rcN5Jk3M1olBdj0f0

 

To claim that Harry was treated badly because he was white would be laughable were it not tragic.

Edited 16 hours ago by Trav Le Bleu

[Mickyblueeyes]

11 minutes ago, Fox in the North said:

Excellent response from Starmer on this imo.

How anyone can stand with this sort of scumbag and class him as a saviour is beyond me. The only ones worse are the idiots, especially those from ethnic minorities who “Stand with Tommy”. It’s just an example of why anal sex is ok suggestion once in while. 
 

They have no friends. They absolutely hate everyone. There are no “good ones” in their eyes. Their reaction to this horrible situation was so predictable.