Pro-Dyche or Anti-Dyche?

[RyCleary]

@Ric Flair imagine Souttar under Dyche 

[Bob666]

Pro 5 years ago

Anti now on basis of we need to give "youth" more of a chance before we're only left with academy players as the first team run into the ground.  One of the few highlights of last season was the excitement of Monga coming on for 10 mins.  I don't need to see another season of Dyche ball playing BDCR to know he's shite

[Pliskin]

Anti. I’ve yet to hear any valid argument for having him.

 

[ACF]

Pro.

i think he’s the culture reset required. I think we have a majority of a squad he could get a tune out of. Souttar and Hamza under Dyche would be good fun I reckon. Fatawu, Mavididi, McAteer and Justin all seem like players Dyche would like.

Cautious on whether he’ll sanction the required players leaving that we as fans think we need, like a Winks, Vesty, Coady, Faes. He could take one look at them and be like “they’re a class above I need to keep them”, which if it weren’t for the fact their attitude stinks I would agree (at this level). 

 

I desperately hope that the brief is use current squad and as much youth as they deserve, and enough loans for the kids that won’t get minutes. I don’t see how Alves, BEK, Monga, Evans, Braybrooke slot in consistently enough to develop, whereas I would prioritise their minutes as much as possible over winning the league. 

[Stadt]

Everton were in deep financial shit and they sold loads of players for a sizeable surplus whilst he was there. 
 

The remit was keep them whilst the finances were sorted and the stadium was being built - a club legend returning amongst the back drop of a new ground takeover were circumstances Dyche couldnt benefit from.

 

They were often dogshit under Dyche, can’t deny that but he did what they needed him to do.

ARRIVALS 24/25 

Players	Club		Transfer sum
€50.20m
Jake O'Brien		Olympique Lyon	€19.50m
Iliman Ndiaye		Marseille	€18.00m
Tim Iroegbunam		Aston Villa	€10.70m
Jesper Lindstrøm		Napoli	Loan fee: €2.00m
Asmir Begovic		QPR	free transfer
Carlos Alcaraz		Flamengo	loan transfer
Orel Mangala		Olympique Lyon	loan transfer
Armando Broja		Chelsea	loan transfer
Harrison Armstrong		Everton U18	-
Harry Tyrer		Everton U21	-

Details

DEPARTURES 24/25 

Players	Club		Transfer sum
€84.15mI
Amadou Onana		Aston Villa	€59.35m
Ben Godfrey		Atalanta BC	€12.50m
Lewis Dobbin		Aston Villa	€11.80m
Neal Maupay		Marseille	Loan fee: €500k
Andy Lonergan		Wigan	free transfer
Harrison Armstrong		Derby	loan transfer
Harry Tyrer		Blackpool	loan transfer
Mason Holgate		West Brom	loan transfer
André Gomes		Without Club	-
Dele Alli		Without Club	-
Billy Crellin		Accrington	loan transfer

[BenTheFox]

I think the idea that Dyche is anti-young players is perception rather than reality. I do think it's a bias brought out of his image as a no nonsense, old school english manager. A few examples of him playing young players: most notably Dwight McNeil, a Burnley academy graduate brought given his debut in the Premier League at the age of 18 and who quickly became a regular starter, Danny Ings became a regular starter under Dyche from the age of 21, he signed Michael Keane at the age of 21. If I'm being charitable, I can give him Jarrad Branthwaite, who had a few appearances under Ancelotti and Lampard but became a starter under Dyche at the age of 20. Admittedly, they did have an injury that forced his hand on that one. Iroegbunam was signed at Everton aged 20 and was given starts under Dyche too.

Edited 23 June 2025 by BenTheFox

[BenTheFox]

I like many other are neither for or against. I see the rational behind it but it doesn't fill me with excitement. Of it happens though, then it really does make a mockery out of the idea that the board have a coherent plan for how they want the first team to play and for how club will progress in the longrun. 

Edited 23 June 2025 by BenTheFox

[Number 6]

There's a reason the dinosaur only gets to do his gaffer's day once a year, the game has moved on from the Dyche type manager in the upper leagues.

[teblin]

With what’s coming out about the owners and other difficulties they have, I think that’s the logic they are having with Dyche. Worked under difficult conditions at Everton and hoping he can do the same here. But would’ve really want that? Or maybe it’s part of the job he enjoys?

[LCFCJohn]

Let’s say the two most likely candidates are Dyche and Rohl. Take away the footballing factors for a moment as well and just consider financial.

 

Dyche - would be free but probably commands higher wages. Also, given that managers rarely leave due to their contract expiring, it is poached or sacked. We know how it will end with Dyche and it will be sacked and cost us a pay out.

 

Rohl - a small (relatively) compensation to bring him in but lower wages to offset that. There is though a big chance that he will do well and get poached at some stage so we would get compensation for him.

 

So if the reason is that he cost to bring in, I still think that overall, it would be a better financial package for us.

[Devonfox1884]

Rather have Röhl, but I’d not be horrendously annoyed with Dyche.

 

Like many, my main concern would be how he would use our young players - I just feel like Röhl would be a much better fit all round, but there are of course pros and cons to both of them.

[Bluearmyfox28]

I’m genuinely so surprised how many want Dyche, the one thing we all said we wanted was a player who could work and improve with youth, yet we then want Dyche?
 

His style literally has zero flair and all about grit, that’s Alves, Monga and Evans all done for before you even look deeper into what he prefers. 
 

The assessment that we need a manager who can provide standards and give the players the rocket that they need is fair enough. But there’s so many managers out there that do the exact same with an attacking philosophy, at the top of my head Richie Wellens being a prime example. 
 

We are so narrow minded when it comes to these things and with regards to Dyche’s previous times in the championship, the league has changed so much in terms of style and capability since he was last in it.

 

This appointment would put us back so many years and likely lose us several of our golden generation coming through.

[Vlad the Fox]

I’m not particularly pro dyche but feel we could do a lot worse. However people defending rohl saying shef wed were a complete mess need to take into account the utter shambles dyche walked into at everton and still kept them in the prem. Also the west ham fans were saying the same things about moyes as everton were about dyche, dull football ect…

 

Also regarding the concern that dyche is rudkins friend, it could work the other way round. Dyche could be the man that gets rudkin to put proper structures in place as he may be more open to listening to the advice of a mate.

[FrankieADZ]

9 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

I think the idea that Dyche is anti-young players is perception rather than reality. I do think it's a bias brought out of his image as a no nonsense, old school english manager. A few examples of him playing young players: most notably Dwight McNeil, a Burnley academy graduate brought given his debut in the Premier League at the age of 18 and who quickly became a regular starter, Danny Ings became a regular starter under Dyche from the age of 21, he signed Michael Keane at the age of 21. If I'm being charitable, I can give him Jarrad Branthwaite, who had a few appearances under Ancelotti and Lampard but became a starter under Dyche at the age of 20. Admittedly, they did have an injury that forced his hand on that one. Iroegbunam was signed at Everton aged 20 and was given starts under Dyche too.

well it is sort of true, look at it this way, all the players youve mentioned(minus McNeil) all had a certain number of 1st team gams under their belt 

so would he have the balls to start say Monga etc i doubt it

[cc_star]

52:48

 

The cursed percentage. Cool

 

There are some downsides to Dyche, but he'd leave us in a better place than he finds us

 

A not bad record of playing youth among experienced players and a solid Championship promotion record

 

Doesn't seem to suffer fools gladly either

 

Kind of a bit of everything our squad needs at the minute

Edited 24 June 2025 by cc_star

[cc_star]

1 hour ago, Number 6 said:

There's a reason the dinosaur only gets to do his gaffer's day once a year, the game has moved on from the Dyche type manager in the upper leagues.

Dyche would've kept 2022/23 Europa squad up

 

Dyche would've easily got 2023/24 promotion with our partially Europe squad

 

Dyche would've made a lot better fist of getting 2024/25 to 40pts, wouldn't have made so many disastrous non-contributing signings either and could've got over Spurs' 39pts

 

The game hasn't moved on from doing the basics right, and when you attack it's best to attack before defences get 'set' with a Pearson/Ranieri/Rodgers 4 or 5 passes up the pitch, instead of 30 passes from DM to CB and back again

[ALC Fox]

Dyche was involving Everton in a relegation battle with three of the worst Premier League teams in a long time.

 

Says all you need to know about him that Moyes was able to move them away from that scenario with relative ease.

[MPH]

I would have liked another option or a different question.. like “ would you prefer RVN or Dyche?” You’d see so many more go for Dyche without technically being for Dyche..

[FrankieADZ]

2 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

Dyche was involving Everton in a relegation battle with three of the worst Premier League teams in a long time.

 

Says all you need to know about him that Moyes was able to move them away from that scenario with relative ease.

think some fans forget about that, and saying Moyes was a new manager bounce too, was one hell of a long bounce 

[Number 6]

3 hours ago, cc_star said:

Dyche would've kept 2022/23 Europa squad up

 

Dyche would've easily got 2023/24 promotion with our partially Europe squad

 

Dyche would've made a lot better fist of getting 2024/25 to 40pts, wouldn't have made so many disastrous non-contributing signings either and could've got over Spurs' 39pts

 

The game hasn't moved on from doing the basics right, and when you attack it's best to attack before defences get 'set' with a Pearson/Ranieri/Rodgers 4 or 5 passes up the pitch, instead of 30 passes from DM to CB and back again

Doing the basics right applies to any manager we bring in. Be nice to have someone who has more than just the basics too.

[baldeagle]

His football is you can call  it that makes my eyes bleed  no thanks 

[HarryDee8]

Wouldn't have touched him a few seasons ago!

 

For where we are currently he's the right man. 

[HybridFox]

I'd have taken Dyche at various points in the past. Convinced he'd have kept us the last two relegations. If we are to make a change, I'd be broadly in favour. He'll make do with what we've got and probably the best realistic options available with where are.

 

My worry is can we afford to. With King Power plummeting, the severance we'd have to play Ruud. Part of me still leans towards sitting tight and giving him the benefit of the doubt with a drained swamp and opportunity to bleed the youngsters who will get given a chance at least.

 

There's no guarantee Dyche would be of the same view 

[FrankieADZ]

4 hours ago, cc_star said:

Dyche would've kept 2022/23 Europa squad up

 

Dyche would've easily got 2023/24 promotion with our partially Europe squad

 

Dyche would've made a lot better fist of getting 2024/25 to 40pts, wouldn't have made so many disastrous non-contributing signings either and could've got over Spurs' 39pts

 

The game hasn't moved on from doing the basics right, and when you attack it's best to attack before defences get 'set' with a Pearson/Ranieri/Rodgers 4 or 5 passes up the pitch, instead of 30 passes from DM to CB and back again

Im not sure tbf, given Everton were in the bottom 3 when he got sacked from Everton; hes made some whoopers at Everton

 

Dyche a 4/5 years back id have said maybe yes, but given hes good friends with Rudkin, the club is in a mess from top to bottom and the style of play the club has adopted for a number of years(from young to first team) and the fact hes doesnt always use youth either, not to mention he'd be on a stinking high wage(probably the highest in the league) its just not it imo

Edited 24 June 2025 by FrankieADZ

[ClaphamFox]

Didn't the Sun story that prompted all this speculation around Dyche say that he wanted to wait until we had confirmation over the points deduction before committing? And given that we very likely won't hear anything on the PSR punishment for several months, wouldn't this rule him out (assuming the story was true)?