Cifuentes OUT

[STUHILL]

1 hour ago, jim5000 said:

Could be worse, Forest have appointed Dyche 🤣

Dyche would have us in the top 2 by now IMO. 

 

Not a great appointment for Forest though. Will keep them up but nothing much more than that.

[Sly]

Again, I was optimistic when he was appointed as he talked a great game.

 

We’ve seen noting to point to how he wants to play football. In fact, I go as far to say this is as bad as RVN. 
 

We are tactic-less.

 

 

 

This might not all be on Cifuentes as let’s be realistic, it’s called a coaching setup for a reason and the team around him isn’t exactly brimming with experience from what I can make out.

 

What are we even trying to do in games? 

 

I’m not sure what state we are trying to play, unless it’s to bore the opposing team to sleep.
 

I didn’t bother watching last night after the previous boring fixtures. I can’t waste time on week night watching more of this dross. 
 

I was expecting a possession based build up style of play, however we are so slow and rigid in formation. 
 

We need fullbacks to either invert at times, or pus on to allow the wide players space. They aren’t doing this and not even step inside to generate th third centre back like Maresca did with Doyle. 

 

I was also thinking we’d push inside to overload the midfield then adopt a high collective press, however when you have the likes of Soumare and Skipp, you simply can’t do that. 

 

I’ve no issue with using Ayew as a false 9 either really, as long as he isn’t dropping too deep. We do need our fullbacks to generate that space to allow the two wide players to invert inside. This suits Fatawu and Mavididi realistically. However Thomas / Choudhury seem scared to cross the halfway line. 
 

We do have good players, however they can’t play this system, so look all at sea.

My biggest concern right now is that this league needs athletic, intelligent players realistically to play this style. We just don’t have that many I’d put into the top bracket of this league.

 

He’s too limited with his tactical approach and unless he changes to inferior players that suit the system better, he needs to go.

 

When I say this, I mean I’d rather have a midfield with every, so that is Winks, Choudhury and James. 
 

Full backs as Kristiansen and Ricardo. I despise Kristiansen but at least he gets forward and generates space for the winger.

 

Faes and  Vestergaard are okay as centre backs at this level, however we need to blood Nelson, so if we fall too far behind pull the trigger and start playing him or loan him out. He’ll only improve if player.

 

Fatawu you can read in the beano, you know he’s inverting and he plays better with Ricardo on the pitch. Mavididi has about as much confidence as Daka who I feel was in the last chance saloon weeks ago and just needs moving on now. I’m a supporter but even I’m in pains now.

 

Ayew is maybe the best 9 we have outside of the youth team players, so we need players to run past him. Again though, he needs to stop occupying space that others should be in or we learn to be more fluid on transition. 
 

All In all, I’ll give him 3 games but if this doesn’t change he can go for me. 

[LCFCJohn]

4 hours ago, honeybradger said:

Nelson will get his chance 

 

Nelson isnt a youngster anymore, he is proven at this level. He had a better defensive record playing for Oxford United in the championship last season than we have this season and that was against harder opposition than we have faced so far. He can fill in for Faes just fine, Marti is just a terrible manager who cant see what he has available to him.

This is what makes me laugh about the argument it was ‘only’ for Oxford!

 

1. They play the same 23 sides. Actually the league was tougher last year.

2. It’s more impressive to do it for Oxford as in theory, more defending to do for a promoted and inferior team (feels harsh calling even the Oxford team from last season inferior to us right now to be fair).

 

The argument seems to be expectations which is bs for me.

[Sly]

1 minute ago, STUHILL said:

Dyche would have us in the top 2 by now IMO. 

 

Not a great appointment for Forest though. Will keep them up but nothing much more than that.

4-4-2 on the ball, 4-4-2 off it 

 

None of this inverting woke nonsense. 
 

If you’re left footed, you play on the left, to wip The cross into the big man …… which we don’t have. Bring back Souttar or stick Vesty up Top to knock long balls down to Daksy! 

 

Fatsy …… you cross the ball mate, I don’t want you Coming inside. Stay wide, chalk on your boots. 
 

Winksy, you sit with Hamzy, not as a double pivot nonsense. Box to box the pair of you. Hamzy, just smash folk.
 

Ricky, if I see you’ll you in midfield again, you’re on the bench. Defence lad, D-E-F-E-N-C-E! 

 

You, fella with the gimp mask on, you run around a lot, can you cross a football. Get yourself on the wing. 
 

Youth team ….. what’s that? 

I WANT IT WACKING FORWARD AND YOU PUS HIGH. Press, Press, Press, Press

 

Jacub, don’t fudge around at the back with it, launch it route one to big Suits! Suits get your block head on it. 

 

 

[beepee1984]

I have to admit to not being overly impressed with Marti

But the root of the issue is not him

And spending more money on compensation and hiring another person who also can't do the job seems a bit pointless to me

Everyone expects we should be hiring these good managers, but giving that we are likely to get a point deduction, have players who just aren't performing and unless you are a miracle worker you are likely to be booed within 5 games from what is becoming a mixture of a happy go clappy and toxic fanbase and that is before you take into the fact that you have to work with Top and Rudkin making the decisions - oh and you are expected to win the league by at least 12 points - which good manager actually wants this poisoned chalice!

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, jim5000 said:

Could be worse, Forest have appointed Dyche 🤣

Dyche is a far better manager than Marti. 

[Nick]

We have liabilities in defence, midfield and no striker.

 

Until that's addressed you can bring who you like in and we'd still perform pretty much as we are doing.

 

[Lutterworth Fox]

16 hours ago, Noahfence said:

If I’m totally honest I was massively concerned about him at HT against Sheffield Wednesday 

I was massively concerned when they appointed him, yet another nothing manager stealing a living just like the players.

[Gamble92]

29 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Dyche would have us in the top 2 by now IMO. 

 

Not a great appointment for Forest though. Will keep them up but nothing much more than that.

I think even if he does keep them up they'll get rid and go for Silva. He is going to morph into the Sam Allardyce firefighter stereotype. If he hasn't already. Don't think it's a given he keeps them up with the state they are in. 

 

Having said that, I think he was kind of manager we needed when everyone turned their noses up at him. This squad requires the man management that a manger like Dyche brings. 

[Vazman]

2 hours ago, alanf0x said:

Dyche would have us top of this poor league by now...

People still laughing at this suggestion 

[Edingleyfox]

The manager so few options particularly up front that I feel for him. He identified tracking back and getting caught on the-break as a problem but some of his choices like Soumare and Thomas on this occasion probably didn’t help.  I think we need to let Marti  have more time but he will need support in the market in January 

[Sly]

By the way, I’d take Dyche any day of the week currently. 

[cityfanlee23]

Big issue is, it's slim pickings out there right now, the managers that would genuinely improve us likely won't come, we needed to pull the trigger early on RVN. Right now, Urs Fischer would be a massive scalp imo, probably won't come. Ralph Hassenhuttl imo would play better football than we currently are witnessing despite the rot in the playerbase, I didn't really want Dyche, but right now i'd take him over watching sideways ball any longer. 

Apart from that, it would need to be another gamble. 

Edited 22 October 2025 by cityfanlee23

[HankMarvin]

17 minutes ago, Nick said:

We have liabilities in defence, midfield and no striker.

 

Until that's addressed you can bring who you like in and we'd still perform pretty much as we are doing.

 

So Nelson and Okoli are not options.

James, Ramsey, Page 

A striker was brought in, if he is shit just play Evan’s and let him get experience it can’t be any worse than what we are witnessing.

[Blue.Fox84]

Realistically where do people expect us to be based on all the deadwood and toxicity around the club for us to be? 
 

Cooper and RvN was bad appointments but I’m willing to give Marti time

 

The club is a mess at the very top, which unfortunately things don’t seem to be getting better there. We have a squad of players who either don’t care or not good enough with the odd few who are worthy of putting on the shirt. 
 

He has shown a desire to be here, he is trying to build a relationship with the fans and ultimately trying to work with what he’s got whilst having a potential points deduction hanging over our heads. The bloke is unfortunately stuck between a rock and a hard place with what he has got available, he’s barely had any pre season and whilst some of the football and results have been frustrating, he has been picking up some points. 
 

Theres a lot more I would change within the club before looking at the manager, we need a bit of stability and somebody who actually wants to be here. The position the club is in I don’t think we’ll be getting much better in that him but I think we could certainly be pulling in a lot worse

[john ridley]

56 minutes ago, Sly said:

Again, I was optimistic when he was appointed as he talked a great game.

 

We’ve seen noting to point to how he wants to play football. In fact, I go as far to say this is as bad as RVN. 
 

We are tactic-less.

 

 

 

This might not all be on Cifuentes as let’s be realistic, it’s called a coaching setup for a reason and the team around him isn’t exactly brimming with experience from what I can make out.

 

What are we even trying to do in games? 

 

I’m not sure what state we are trying to play, unless it’s to bore the opposing team to sleep.
 

I didn’t bother watching last night after the previous boring fixtures. I can’t waste time on week night watching more of this dross. 
 

I was expecting a possession based build up style of play, however we are so slow and rigid in formation. 
 

We need fullbacks to either invert at times, or pus on to allow the wide players space. They aren’t doing this and not even step inside to generate th third centre back like Maresca did with Doyle. 

 

I was also thinking we’d push inside to overload the midfield then adopt a high collective press, however when you have the likes of Soumare and Skipp, you simply can’t do that. 

 

I’ve no issue with using Ayew as a false 9 either really, as long as he isn’t dropping too deep. We do need our fullbacks to generate that space to allow the two wide players to invert inside. This suits Fatawu and Mavididi realistically. However Thomas / Choudhury seem scared to cross the halfway line. 
 

We do have good players, however they can’t play this system, so look all at sea.

My biggest concern right now is that this league needs athletic, intelligent players realistically to play this style. We just don’t have that many I’d put into the top bracket of this league.

 

He’s too limited with his tactical approach and unless he changes to inferior players that suit the system better, he needs to go.

 

When I say this, I mean I’d rather have a midfield with every, so that is Winks, Choudhury and James. 
 

Full backs as Kristiansen and Ricardo. I despise Kristiansen but at least he gets forward and generates space for the winger.

 

Faes and  Vestergaard are okay as centre backs at this level, however we need to blood Nelson, so if we fall too far behind pull the trigger and start playing him or loan him out. He’ll only improve if player.

 

Fatawu you can read in the beano, you know he’s inverting and he plays better with Ricardo on the pitch. Mavididi has about as much confidence as Daka who I feel was in the last chance saloon weeks ago and just needs moving on now. I’m a supporter but even I’m in pains now.

 

Ayew is maybe the best 9 we have outside of the youth team players, so we need players to run past him. Again though, he needs to stop occupying space that others should be in or we learn to be more fluid on transition. 
 

All In all, I’ll give him 3 games but if this doesn’t change he can go for me. 

But we've seen lurch and faes arnt up to it in any league ,every game one or both make mistakes  leading to a goal  and throw Thomas in as well, you've no chance  of keeping a clean sheet .The best we can hope for is mid table  till these ****wits **** off or arnt picked .

[Stadt]

The inability to actually coach the team to attack is the biggest problem - it doesn't matter about the team selection.

 

12th for xG per 90,  3rd furthest average shot distance, joint worst xG/shot. Stale possession football with so little purpose won't even have us near the play offs. All while having the best player in the league in Fatawu plus Ramsey/Monga/James/Mavididi. The strikers aren't any good but neither are the likes of McBurnie, Gelhardt, Tyrese Campbell etc who are outscoring them.

[Dan]

5 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Realistically it's keep him or we get Russell Martin.

Do it. We all know Martin's coming one day. At least if we appoint Martin we're a day closer to the day we sack Martin.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

7 minutes ago, Dan said:

Do it. We all know Martin's coming one day. At least if we appoint Martin we're a day closer to the day we sack Martin.

There is that 

[kingfox]

I said numerous times during the Premier League season that we failed to get with the trends. Counter attacks, fast breaks and generally being more direct was the name of the game last season, yet Steve Cooper thought it would be a good idea to want Premier League experience in Ayew and Reid. 
 

This season whether Premier League or Championship, all the talk has been about how teams are transferring to a more direct style, but looking at our statistics, it seems yet again we’re not following the right trends under Cifuentes. 
 

Coventry are top, Bristol City have started well too, they currently sit 2nd and 3rd for direct speed. For that statistic we currently rank 20th.

 

Charlton and Millwall have started well too, they currently rank 1st and 2nd for forward pass%. For that statistic we also rank 20th. 
 

The two teams who rank 1st and 2nd for 10+ pass sequences and build up attacks happen to be Leicester City and Southampton. Could both teams struggles be down to Championship opposition starting to work those teams out 🤔

 

Going more direct is becoming a useful tool, but it seems we aren’t delving into it enough. We’re still concentrating on being a ponderous possession team.

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, STUHILL said:

Dyche would have us in the top 2 by now IMO. 

 

Not a great appointment for Forest though. Will keep them up but nothing much more than that.

If he keeps them up that’s a good appointment at the end of the day. Clubs can’t afford to take that risk. 

[Ric Flair]

Look at his track record with strikers as well at QPR and Hammarby, it's been 4+ years since he had a striker score more than about 4 goals. Frightening.

[Stadt]

Just now, Ric Flair said:

Look at his track record with strikers as well at QPR and Hammarby, it's been 4+ years since he had a striker score more than about 4 goals. Frightening.

But Manuel had a nice powerpoint in his interview 

[MancFox24]

People talking about Dyche as though we'd have been able to afford a manager like that. Our market is experienced Championship level managers, inexperienced foreign managers, or coaches looking to make a step up to management. 

 

I wasn't thrilled about the appointment and I've been confused by some of the decisions, but he's walked into a club with players who want to leave, an imbalanced squad, no funds to recruit, a toxic atmosphere amongst fans and a points deduction hanging over its head.

 

So we either stick with him and hope he can turn it around or shell out a load more money we don't have to pay him off and bring another manager in of a similar level who'll be asked to try and polish a turd. 

 

Having said all that, if he keeps picking Soumare, I'll be the first to contribute to the 'Marti Out' banner being flown over the KP

[Dan]

5 hours ago, Lionator said:

Agreed. A root and branch rebuild is actually way more important than scraping back into the premier league and setting the club on an even more destructive path. This season should be about stabilisation, get the deadwood gone in the summer and build a young team to develop over the next 2-3 so we can build something sustainable, as we have the financial resources but they’ve been used terribly. 
 

I highly doubt Marti is the long term man but changing the manager is going to do very little right now. It needs long term strategic thinking. 

Not a single sign of this has happened. Not one. We stand to do neither.