Gary Rowett

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Rubbersoul said:

The football definitely isn’t as bad as some fans of his ex clubs have said. I actually think we’ve played some entertaining stuff under him. Looking a bit more directly. 
 

Also realise it’s been 5 games and I also wanted him fired into the sun after seeing Reid & Ayew in that line up but trying to be positive  

We've played much better than I expected. I was expecting defensive first football but we've only really done this away at Ipswich in the second half. Aside from that we have been direct, more creative and actually getting shots in. He should have been appointed earlier instead of us messing around with King. Much better manager than Cifuentes. 

[MGLCFC]

Thought the introduction of Daka and Winks gave us a little more control of the game. Daka was pressing far more than Ayew which led to Bristol giving away the ball more and Winks was able to help us retain the the ball better. Just my opinion.

[HankMarvin]

19 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

Thought the introduction of Daka and Winks gave us a little more control of the game. Daka was pressing far more than Ayew which led to Bristol giving away the ball more and Winks was able to help us retain the the ball better. Just my opinion.

That was the plan as per his post match interview, to introduce more energy with 30 to go as he felt the side was fading in previous games. 
Which is another symptom of the previous helmet in charge, that allowed the players to not press or sprint 

Edited 11 March by HankMarvin

[Stadt]

50 minutes ago, MPH said:

Justified if it was Cifuentes who was the manager, maybe.

 

Is Rowett currently undefeated?

Ayew and Reid stunted so many of our attacks yesterday. Reid got a completely unintentional assist and the other goal was a set piece. If we play like that with that XI we’re going to lose more often than not.

We lost to Norwich.

 

[Stadt]

51 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

We attacked better and scored the actual goals of the game with Ayew and Reid on the pitch. Obviously had to divorce that from the way the match played out (i.e when we're 2-0 up with 30 mins to go the whole match has a different complexion). But I don't remember us having better play or attacks after Daka came on. I'd be interested in the respective stats of Ayew and Daka last night because based on the 'eyeball test' I remember Ayew controlling it in tight areas multiple times, which allowed attacks to continue (thinking that Daka would have never controlled it in the same way) and can't really remember any contribution of note from Daka. He had that terrible shot from 25 yards which dribbled slowly into the keeper's hands. 

 

Edit: for clarity - I think Daka and Ayew are both really poor in their respective ways, so I'm not passionate on one being better than the other or that one should/shouldn't be getting minutes. But think Ayew was much better suited to last night's game than Daka, especially in the first 60 mins. That was clearly Rowett's plan and it worked too. 

Ayew controlled the ball pretty much everywhere other than we needed him. BDCR and Ayew exacerbate all the worst qualities in each other’s game.

 

The wingers were isolated time and time again because the central two were just never in a positive position to receive the ball - which is why we created no real open play chances 

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 minute ago, Stadt said:

Ayew controlled the ball pretty much everywhere other than we needed him. BDCR and Ayew exacerbate all the worst qualities in each other’s game.

 

The wingers were isolated time and time again because the central two were just never in a positive position to receive the ball - which is why we created no real open play chances 

Mavididi had 2 great chances from open play - one saved and another hit the post. Granted, Reid and Ayew weren't really involved in either. 

 

For Fatawu's goal, would Daka have reliably controlled the ball and done the bounce pass back to Skipp (as Ayew did) in the build up? 

 

Again, I'm interested if the stats can tell a different story as I feel I may have blinkers on for Daka (in the same way you do for Ayew) but I think had we started Daka instead, we would have lost the ball a lot more in Bristol's half and come under more pressure on transition because of it. Daka's good for coming on when he did - 30 mins to go and already 2-0 up, he can use the space that appears when the opposition are chasing the game. Just not sure he'd have been massively useful at 0-0 

[Chrysalis]

17 hours ago, FLAN said:

Two best retainers of the ball on the bench 

One of them is invisible off the ball.  Which Rowett considers to be our main weakness.

[Chrysalis]

17 hours ago, lgfualol said:

How to prove you’re never going to be a top manager in like 4 games with us. 
 

Unless we win. 

We won.

[Stadt]

6 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Mavididi had 2 great chances from open play - one saved and another hit the post. Granted, Reid and Ayew weren't really involved in either. 

 

For Fatawu's goal, would Daka have reliably controlled the ball and done the bounce pass back to Skipp (as Ayew did) in the build up? 

 

Again, I'm interested if the stats can tell a different story as I feel I may have blinkers on for Daka (in the same way you do for Ayew) but I think had we started Daka instead, we would have lost the ball a lot more in Bristol's half and come under more pressure on transition because of it. Daka's good for coming on when he did - 30 mins to go and already 2-0 up, he can use the space that appears when the opposition are chasing the game. Just not sure he'd have been massively useful at 0-0 

I'd forgotten about the Mavadidi chances tbh.

 

Neither of them had good games but Ayew is really ineffectual at hold up and bring others into play, given that he drops deep all the time making 11 passes is poor. Basically dispossessed once for every 2.5 passes made! I'm not saying Daka is brilliant just that the we function like a team when he's in the side because we have 11 layers playing where they should.

 

Ayew 

• Attack
• Touches 27
• Touches in opposition box 3
• Dispossessed 4
• Non-penalty xG 0.01
• Top stats
• Minutes played68
• Goals0
• Assists0
• Expected goals (xG)0.01
• Expected goals on target (xGOT)0.00
• Expected assists (xA)0.03
• xG + xA0.04
• Accurate passes10/11 (91%)

Daka

 

• Top stats
• Minutes played22
• Goals0
• Assists0
• Expected goals (xG)0.03
• Expected goals on target (xGOT)0.07
• xG + xA0.03
• Accurate passes5/5 (100%)
• Chances created0
• Shots on target1
• Shots off target0
• Shot accuracy1/1 (100%)
• Defensive contributions0

• Attack
• Touches9
• Touches in opposition box0
• Successful dribbles0/1 (0%)
• Dispossessed0
• Non-penalty xG0.03

[jv1]

Team selection was horrendous 

 

got lucky with timing of subs as did it to late and they should have scored the peno 

 

don’t care in the slightest - either we look a little bit harder to beat or we are finally getting some luck - either way I don’t care he’s getting points

 

desperate times - let’s hope he is lucky - just get a few wins by hook or crook - I’ll support him whilst he does 

Edited 11 March by jv1

[Stadt]

4 minutes ago, Stadt said:

I'd forgotten about the Mavadidi chances tbh.

 

Neither of them had good games but Ayew is really ineffectual at hold up and bring others into play, given that he drops deep all the time making 11 passes is poor. Basically dispossessed once for every 2.5 passes made! I'm not saying Daka is brilliant just that the we function like a team when he's in the side because we have 11 layers playing where they should.

 

Ayew 

• Attack
• Touches 27
• Touches in opposition box 3
• Dispossessed 4
• Non-penalty xG 0.01
• Top stats
• Minutes played68
• Goals0
• Assists0
• Expected goals (xG)0.01
• Expected goals on target (xGOT)0.00
• Expected assists (xA)0.03
• xG + xA0.04
• Accurate passes10/11 (91%)

Daka

 

• Top stats
• Minutes played22
• Goals0
• Assists0
• Expected goals (xG)0.03
• Expected goals on target (xGOT)0.07
• xG + xA0.03
• Accurate passes5/5 (100%)
• Chances created0
• Shots on target1
• Shots off target0
• Shot accuracy1/1 (100%)
• Defensive contributions0

• Attack
• Touches9
• Touches in opposition box0
• Successful dribbles0/1 (0%)
• Dispossessed0
• Non-penalty xG0.03

This is representative - where the **** is the no 9? He finally comes to into shot BEHIND Luke Thomas as the ball is dead after a shot  

 

[Stadt]

9 hours ago, Stadt said:

This is representative - where the **** is the no 9? He finally comes to into shot BEHIND Luke Thomas as the ball is dead after a shot  

 

The 6 being much further ahead of the 10 is a problem too. This why BDCR and Ayew are such poor foils for each other, if Ayew is the flag 9 the 10 needs to run beyond him, he doesn't

Edited 11 March by Stadt

[Les-TA-Jon]

11 minutes ago, Stadt said:

I'd forgotten about the Mavadidi chances tbh.

 

Neither of them had good games but Ayew is really ineffectual at hold up and bring others into play, given that he drops deep all the time making 11 passes is poor. Basically dispossessed once for every 2.5 passes made! I'm not saying Daka is brilliant just that the we function like a team when he's in the side because we have 11 layers playing where they should.

 

Ayew 

• Attack
• Touches 27
• Touches in opposition box 3
• Dispossessed 4
• Non-penalty xG 0.01
• Top stats
• Minutes played68
• Goals0
• Assists0
• Expected goals (xG)0.01
• Expected goals on target (xGOT)0.00
• Expected assists (xA)0.03
• xG + xA0.04
• Accurate passes10/11 (91%)

Daka

 

• Top stats
• Minutes played22
• Goals0
• Assists0
• Expected goals (xG)0.03
• Expected goals on target (xGOT)0.07
• xG + xA0.03
• Accurate passes5/5 (100%)
• Chances created0
• Shots on target1
• Shots off target0
• Shot accuracy1/1 (100%)
• Defensive contributions0

• Attack
• Touches9
• Touches in opposition box0
• Successful dribbles0/1 (0%)
• Dispossessed0
• Non-penalty xG0.03

 

4 minutes ago, Stadt said:

This is representative - where the **** is the no 9? He finally comes to into shot BEHIND Luke Thomas as the ball is dead after a shot  

 

I guess this is what I mean - they're both crap - those stats don't make for good reading for either of them. If Daka was playing instead, he'd have been in that picture but would he be in the right position to receive a pass? Even if he was, would he control it? 

 

Daka = pace, but terrible touch and positioning - killing a lot of attacks

Ayew = touch, but no legs, so comes too deep and can't rejoin play - killing a lot of attacks 

 

It's a catch 22 and Rowett has no real choice but to keep rotating the pair of them. So it's largely moot anyhow. 

[lgfualol]

34 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

We won.

To win with Ayew and Bob Reid starting is the sign of a top manager

[Lambert09]

I can understand some of his decisions yesterday, I actually don’t mind bdr, I’d prefer to see Mukassa but it’s hard to argue that bdr doesn’t do the dirty work and for a team with no clean sheeet in 30, I understand why a manager might prefer that to a creative kid at this moment in time. 
 

The one that I can’t piece together though is daka getting dropped. It’s not like he wasn’t working hard and you never know if he was going to be in a patch of form after a goal. Ignoring the fact ayew is useless, it’s just rare in football to see a striker dropped after a goal. Especially as ayew was available for Ipswich, so it’s not that he couldn’t have picked him.  I wonder if he plans to rotate the strikers to keep players fresh 

Edited 11 March by Lambert09

[Stadt]

42 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

 

I guess this is what I mean - they're both crap - those stats don't make for good reading for either of them. If Daka was playing instead, he'd have been in that picture but would he be in the right position to receive a pass? Even if he was, would he control it? 

 

Daka = pace, but terrible touch and positioning - killing a lot of attacks

Ayew = touch, but no legs, so comes too deep and can't rejoin play - killing a lot of attacks 

 

It's a catch 22 and Rowett has no real choice but to keep rotating the pair of them. So it's largely moot anyhow. 

It's not just about Daka's individual actions but how he occupies the oppostion in a way Ayew just doesn't. If Daka was in that situation above situation it's plausibly 4 v 3 instead of 3 v 3 and a greater chance of a tap in (something we've barely done all season). Ayew will superficially look better at holding the ball up in that there won;t be the obvious loose touches like you'll get with Daka but the net result is the same or worse. Ayew's hold up play doesn't benefit the team, when you think of Iheanacho's hold up it added fluency to our attacks whereas usually Ayew ends up running towards his own goal and plays a backwards/square ball, he does everything glacially which negates dropping deep in the first place.

 

Not to mention that we can press coherently with Daka rather than watch Ayew half-heartedly press.

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

https://youtube.com/shorts/8gmgYXdAttI?si=AXxXARUcK_dPeGxr

 

This Better Call Saul chant actually made me think of Rowett 😂

 

'Gary, ****ing, Rowett, clean sheet' 

[Lionator]

3 hours ago, jv1 said:

Team selection was horrendous 

 

got lucky with timing of subs as did it to late and they should have scored the peno 

 

don’t care in the slightest - either we look a little bit harder to beat or we are finally getting some luck - either way I don’t care he’s getting points

 

desperate times - let’s hope he is lucky - just get a few wins by hook or crook - I’ll support him whilst he does 

It was horrendous before but he had a plan and it worked? It was certainly not a lucky win, it was probably our most dominant performance of the season? Im confused.

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, Stadt said:

This is representative - where the **** is the no 9? He finally comes to into shot BEHIND Luke Thomas as the ball is dead after a shot  

 

3d chess 

ayew has dragged his marker up the pitch and left them defending 3x3 

😄

[Guest worth_the_wait]

I just liked the way Gary Rowett described last night's match, and I felt he was at the same game as me.   And he talked some sense.

 

In recent years, we've had managers waffling on about nothing, talking about a game they'd just watched that I didn't recognise.

[Legend_in_blue]

If he continues as he is and we finish the season strong, then we'd be mad to let him go.

[Paninistickers]

7 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

it’s hard to argue that bdr doesn’t do the dirty work 

Oh, but it is. It's a crime to play him. 

 

I watch him. All game. It's weirdly fascinating to see a player pretending to be a footballer. I presume he banks on being lost in the crowd. Not to me. I feel like that Irish journalist who hounded Lance Armstrong for years. My eyes are on him, all game. 

 

This supposed press of BdcR. Yeah, he does it. Some half hearted closing down of which even the weakest opponent either glides or passes round him. It's a perfunctory press. Performative. Not once does he tackle nor intercept. Or rush his opponent. Zilch. 

 

If that's the only requirement for his role, and let's say it is, let's say that job needs take any part at all in the game other than this perfunctory press, then get someone quick, fit and strong to do it. Silko Thomas. Louis Page. Even Daka. Give him the role. If that's all that's required. We could sign Mo Farah tbh, for his stamina. And if that's the role, he'd do better than the dreaded BdcR. 

 

 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

Asked him if he fancied a 20 mile run on Sunday and he's responded that it depends how Satursay's game goes 😂😂😂

[lookwhaticando]

8 hours ago, Stadt said:

This why BDCR and Reid are such poor foils for each other

Bobby “Split Personality” DCR. 

[UniFox21]

 

 

Sounds promising really

Edited 12 March by UniFox21