Should We Have Kept Cifuentes?

[Trav Le Bleu]

Ok, so hindsight and all that, but when Marti was sacked in January we weren't doing great, but I'd argue we weren't in too much danger of relegation.

 

Our last 6 games under him were W2 D1 L3. You'd bite someone's hand off if they offered you that right now. At that point we had 38 pts.

 

Since the we have amassed a further 9pts (minus 6 deduction) in 15 games. At the rate above, we would have acquired 17, been in 20th position, fate in our own hands and better form.

 

Start of the season everyone berated our inconsistency. Well, we're consistent now.

 

Anyway, like I say, hindsight and all that.

Edited 18 April by Trav Le Bleu

[MattFox]

One of those wins was against West Brom who absolutely battered us for 90 minutes 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Perhaps

[Gamble92]

Like asking if I should have kept an STD or my kid 

[worthosoriginals]

Dunno

[Manc Fox J]

Probably. While the football was naff, I reckon he'd have picked up a few more points than the disaster that has followed.

[jayfox26]

Im not sure it would have made a difference. These players are rancid and no manager or tactics could actually motivate them to even try and attempt to earn their obscene wages! Lack of confidence and lack of form are part and parcel of professional football, lack of fitness and lack of effort is totally unacceptable and there should actually be rules in place where players get docked wages for gross misconduct. Proving a lack of effort is obviously impossible but any pro at this level that hasn't got themselves into shape to be able to play 90 minute games (injuries aside) should be docked wages. 

[Gamble92]

Cifuentes is Pep Guardiola with an allergic reaction to nuts

 

(In a wig)

Edited 18 April by Gamble92

[Foxin_Mad]

Why is this even a question he was shit, deserved to win at best 3 games. His coaching and training methods and style were what has put us in this position, he has 2/3rds of the season to get enough points. We lost games at home to Oxford, Blackburn, Portsmouth. We had atrocious performances again QPR away, Sheffield United twice. He would not have kept us up, the last game he won was West Brom and we didn’t deserve that. Without James it would have gone much the same way, probably less draws. I don’t honestly see him coming back and winning games after that Oxford performance at home, it was atrocious. 

[Gamble92]

1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Why is this even a question he was shit, deserved to win at best 3 games. His coaching and training methods and style were what has put us in this position, he has 2/3rds of the season to get enough points. We lost games at home to Oxford, Blackburn, Portsmouth. We had atrocious performances again QPR away, Sheffield United twice. He would not have kept us up, the last game he won was West Brom and we didn’t deserve that. Without James it would have gone much the same way, probably less draws. I don’t honestly see him coming back and winning games after that Oxford performance at home, it was atrocious. 

Because the reaction of our fans is "can he be that bad" if everyone we appoint is shit

 

It's like working for Pret in Thurmaston 

[shiv]

Our fans have a weird sense of recency bias with every appointment. The last 4 managerial appointments, collectively, have all been horrendous and I don’t think our outcome would be any different.

 

Having said that, this definitely runs deeper than the manager. We have the most unmanageable squad in the entire football league. 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Definitely not. 

[Guesty]

James and Fatawu carried Cifuentes. We are a two man team. If James had been injured and Fatawu in such poor form under Cifuentes - his results would have been much worse.

 

This squad is so bad and our club is in such a mess that few managers could come here and fix it. And none of those few managers would come anywhere near us at the minute. 

[Bert]

20 minutes ago, MattFox said:

One of those wins was against West Brom who absolutely battered us for 90 minutes 

Correct. We also got 2 draws against Preston & Sheffield Wednesday who we battered for 90 minutes. 

[nnfox]

He needed to go.  If he had stayed we'd be about where we are now, but it would have been even more toxic.  He would have been the focal point of fan anger, with levels turned up to 11.

 

It's the Top and Rudkin playbook:   Let the anger build towards the manager, until the anger spills over and starts being aimed more at Top and Rudkin, then give the fans what they want, sack the manager and bring someone else in for a bit.  It gives Top and Rudkin a few weeks/months out of the crosshairs.  Rinse and repeat.

 

At some point we really should just stick with a manager.

 

Rowett will be gone at the end of the season and a new guy will carry the can next season.

 

 

[bovril]

Yeah probably. He was crap but I doubt we wouldn't have picked up more points.

[Guest]

I think it's two different questions really:

 

Should we have kept Cifuentes? No. Things were pretty clearly only heading in one direction, and it was the direction anyone could have told you they would head in as soon as Fatawu and James stopped trading wondergoals every weekend.

 

Should we have sacked Cifuentes if that meant handing the reins to someone with literally zero managerial experience for almost an entire month before appointing Gary Rowett? Probably also no.

[Reynaldo]

We are in a position as a club and I cant recall ANY team ever having done what we are doing which is sacking managers and replacing them with worse ones.   Right from Rodgers downwards, every successor is worst than the last.  And here we are with Rowett.  

 

It begs the question, who they picking for League One?  Or is our managerial merrygoround more a case these days of who picks us instead

[1884HF]

Just now, Reynaldo said:

We are in a position as a club and I cant recall ANY team ever having done what we are doing which is sacking managers and replacing them with worse ones.   Right from Rodgers downwards, every successor is worst than the last.  And here we are with Rowett.  

 

It begs the question, who they picking for League One?  Or is our managerial merrygoround more a case these days of who picks us instead

watch it be mark robins 

[atomicfox]

Nah, the trajectory was clear when he was in charge. Maybe rowett was the wrong choice but I can't see any manager getting much out of this squad, the whole set up seems rotton.

[squidsworth]

Marti did get better results, however bad the football was at times. But tbh, we're just absolutely honking since he's gone. No intent to win games, dire subs, no use of youth, relying on epic fail players time and time again. We only look like conceding 1 or 2, but we look like scoring 1 or nothing. We've a fecking Muppet in charge now with a totally negative, repeat and rinse approach, with the same outcome every game, 1 point or none.  Marti would have us above where we are now, for sure.

[Pliskin]

Should Bruce Bogtrotter have eaten all of that cake?

[Fox92]

No. That said, he should never have been appointed in the first place. 

[Tuna]

We should have backed him with some actual signings in January to bolster the squad, we'd have stayed up under him IMO.

[squidsworth]

PS I hope Gary is gone, we should finish the season without a manager now. The players can sort it themselves.

Edited 18 April by squidsworth