Oliver Skipp

[Finnegan]

21 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

I think though if we'd played to Perez's strengths... 

 

But we didn't, we didn't need to and we didn't want to. We'd have been a worse team collectively if we had. 

 

21 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

We signed him because our Director of Football is useless

 

Yeah exactly, haha. That's what I'm saying. 

 

21 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Perez is better than at least half of that list

 

As an all round footballer I'm not convinced he is but that's subjective because the objective evidence is missing because he spent his peak years in the Premier League playing out of position contributing abysmally low numbers. 

 

Which, again, is my point. 

 

I feel like you're largely defending Perez the player, which is not what I'm attacking. I'm attacking Perez the transfer. 

 

He took a vast amount of our budget, prevented us reinforcing correctly both at the time and in years to come and we paid a sum of money that we'd never, ever be able to make profit on when we're a club that relies on being able to upsell our assets if we're going to compete. 

 

If we convinced Messi, in his prime, to come to Leicester for £1tn and the club went out of business as a result, it would be our worst ever deal despite him being our best ever player (which Perez definitely isn't.)

 

@Stadt gets me. 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Finnegan

[Ric Flair]

I actually don't think anyone would pay more than £2.5m for him, we've overpaid by 10 times his worth, it's got to be the worst transfer i've ever seen.

[Stadt]

It was all entirely predictable. I remember posting I wouldn't have signed him for even a quarter of the fee. We are literally are th only club in the world that would sign Skipp for that fee and we are the only club in the world that would sign Skipp when we already had Winks. Two completely benign midfielders that are no threat offensively and are poor out of possession.

 

So we've spent £35m on the pair in fees and probably £15m in wages? If we're extremely lucky we might get about £7.5m back. I'm sick of typing out these numbers for pretty much every incoming/outgoing.

[AKCJ]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

But we didn't, we didn't need to and we didn't want to. We'd have been a worse team collectively if we had. 

 

 

Yeah exactly, haha. That's what I'm saying. 

 

 

As an all round footballer I'm not convinced he is but that's subjective because the the objective evidence is missing because he spent his peak years in the Premier League playing out of position contributing abysmally low numbers. 

 

Which, again, is my point. 

 

I feel like you're largely defending Perez the player, which is not what I'm attacking. I'm attacking Perez the transfer. 

 

If we convinced Messi, in his prime, to come to Leicester for £1tn and the club went out of business as a result, it would be our worst ever deal despite him being our best ever player (which Perez definitely isn't.)

 

@Stadt gets me. 

 

I feel like Perez was a mid-table Premier League player when we signed him and that's what we got.

 

I'm not saying that he was a fantastic signing. I just really disagree that he's a top 5 worst LCFC signing.

 

He doesn't even get close to the likes of Soumare, Slimani, Mills, Wise, Praet, Musa, Benkovic, Coady, Silva, Bennett, Winks, Vestergaard, Okoli, Souttar, Kramaric, Akinbiyi, Daka, Cannon, Inler or Ward.

 

That's 20 without really thinking about it.

[moore_94]

Has to go down as probably our worst ever transfer window?

 

Skipp - £25m

Bilal - £20m (broke even on the fee at best)

Okoli - £15m

Ayew - £5m

Golding - £5m

Reid - Free but 3 year contract

Edouard - loan with no break clause

Facundo - loan and Cooper seemingly had no clue how to use him

 

Sold KDH who should’ve been our future captain and key player for years to come

Then Woyo for £2m in January

 

[Dan]

More fool those who thought anything would change with McCarron there.

 

McCarron was brought in to take the heat off Rudkin and nothing more. He would only have been brought in to enact what those above him want to do anyway rather than being given a chance to shape things his own way. Either that or he was specifically identified as somebody who fits in line with all their bullshit.

 

This is yet another example of ensuring we ourselves take the hit. Rather than taking this rare, lucky opportunity to slightly recover one of their big ****ups, they will instead drag things out to ensure that we pay the full whack, we get a bad, on his way down player that wants to leave the club and recoup either nothing in three years, or a nominal fee in two.

 

They'll never cut their cloth. This is just more of the same bullshit that has put us into this situation in the first place. Stupid decision after stupid decision after stupid decision. Do they ever at any point think that they might have to change their process? The one that has taken us from a top half Premier League club to League One in four years.

 

Get these bums out of the club.

Edited 7 hours ago by Dan

[Lionator]

I feel bad for him as a person and he’s certainly not a bad egg in terms of some of the numpties in our squad but he has to go for the sake of both him and us. 

[DAS Boot]

He’s crap.

 

Nobody pays more than £8m.

[mozartfox]

The Madders and Skip Fees demonstrate just how horrendous Dufkin has performed.

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

And loaned out the one good season we had during his contract haha. 

 

Still, he cost noticeably less and didn't cause us the same level of financial burden. 

 

What makes Skipp one of our worst (honestly, I think there's a strong argument for THE worst) signings is the context around it. 

 

He ate up such a massive amount of our budget in a position that wasn't anywhere near the weakest in the squad when we desperately need reinforcement elsewhere, he stopped us signing other players and he was never, ever going to make us profit. 

 

We could have made like Burnley, signed a bunch of cheap young players, had no worse odds of going down and at very least had a bunch of Hermansen-esque footballers we could sell on for profit to soften the blow. 

 

But no. 

 

As a piece of business that represents not just what he was as a player but what the loss of that money took from us I think I'd rank him higher than Slimani, Perez and Akinbiyi who would all make my top 5 worst deals we've done. 

 

For the record, rounding off my list as top 5 worst transfer dealings is an outgoing: letting Tielemans leave for free. 

 

When we were linked with Skipp I rolled my eyes and said "knowing us we'll go and hand them £10mil for him".

 

No matter how bad you think it is, it's always worse.

[honeybradger]

55 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Has to go down as probably our worst ever transfer window?

 

Skipp - £25m

Bilal - £20m (broke even on the fee at best)

Okoli - £15m

Ayew - £5m

Golding - £5m

Reid - Free but 3 year contract

Edouard - loan with no break clause

Facundo - loan and Cooper seemingly had no clue how to use him

 

Sold KDH who should’ve been our future captain and key player for years to come

Then Woyo for £2m in January

 

Facundo was actually good under Cooper tbf.

 

Significantly worse under RVN and hasn't done anything since as far as I am aware.

[Merchant_Banker]

1 hour ago, South Shire Fox said:

Wont be when we replace them with even worse players

Don't need to replace them, Cartwright for Skipp, Braybrooke for Winks. 😊

[fox_favourite]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

Has to go down as probably our worst ever transfer window?

 

Skipp - £25m

Bilal - £20m (broke even on the fee at best)

Okoli - £15m

Ayew - £5m

Golding - £5m

Reid - Free but 3 year contract

Edouard - loan with no break clause

Facundo - loan and Cooper seemingly had no clue how to use him

 

Sold KDH who should’ve been our future captain and key player for years to come

Then Woyo for £2m in January

 

That's why I hate Cooper. Not because he's ex Forest but because he made awful signings, horrendous tactical decisions (playing JJ as RB, RM and RW) shows he was clueless. 

 

That transfer window was an utter disaster. 

Edited 6 hours ago by fox_favourite

[kingfox]

13 minutes ago, Merchant_Banker said:

Cartwright

Was a good player for West Ham under 13’s.

[Collymore]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

I actually don't think anyone would pay more than £2.5m for him, we've overpaid by 10 times his worth, it's got to be the worst transfer i've ever seen.

Every Friday morning I'm panicking and trying to get the bins out before work and I always think of Skipp as I'm frantically navigating the narrow hallway with the cheapest Aldi bags you can imagine.

 

Still makes me smile even with bin juice going over the shoes! 

[Lewis's Junior]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

Has to go down as probably our worst ever transfer window?

 

Skipp - £25m

Bilal - £20m (broke even on the fee at best)

Okoli - £15m

Ayew - £5m

Golding - £5m

Reid - Free but 3 year contract

Edouard - loan with no break clause

Facundo - loan and Cooper seemingly had no clue how to use him

 

Sold KDH who should’ve been our future captain and key player for years to come

Then Woyo for £2m in January

 

You'd think after the last 4 years of shit show there would be several windows vying for the 'worst ever' award. I think this is about right though. 

Although the combined no signings in summer followed by Faes, Kristansen, Tete, Souttar in Jan whilst going down by only 2 points has to be up there. 

[UniFox21]

I feel he'll still be here come start of season

[fox_favourite]

15 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I feel he'll still be here come start of season

From a money (how much we paid and wages) side he needs to go, but as a player, I wouldn't hate him still being here. 

 

 

[CarolinaFox]

3 hours ago, honeybradger said:

Why would we need to buy Skipp to offset money already owed to us.

 

Unless you're saying Spurs had an IOU with us for them paying £40mil for Maddison instead of haggling and cashed it in to make us pay £25mil for Skipp.

 

Which doesn't make sense as £40mil was a fair price for Maddison.

 

Whatever way you spin it we have been fleeced.

You’re looking at it the wrong way. We didn’t buy Skipp to “offset money owed.”

 

The simple point is that Skipp didn’t actually cost Leicester £25m. Cooper wanted him, and both clubs structured the deal so it appeared as a £25m purchase for PSR. That number is just the accounting figure — not the real cost to us — because Spurs still owed us money from the Maddison deal.

 

If we were paying £5m a year for Skipp while Spurs were still paying £8m a year for Maddison, we’re still £3m up each year. Over the term, that’s a £15m surplus.

So when you look at the real cost, Leicester effectively took Skipp + £15m instead of waiting 5–6 years for the full Maddison instalments. We needed a premier league player for a survival push, and Cooper believed Skipp could help right away.

 

The “£25m for Skipp” figure is just the PSR number — not what we actually paid, or the real cost to us. That's what I'm saying. 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by CarolinaFox

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

My ****ing god snap their hands off, absolutely rotten player

[South Shire Fox]

1 hour ago, Merchant_Banker said:

Don't need to replace them, Cartwright for Skipp, Braybrooke for Winks. 😊

Cartwright that couldnt start for Falkirk? Will need a lot more quality then that

[It'sblueupnorth]

31 minutes ago, CarolinaFox said:

You’re looking at it the wrong way. We didn’t buy Skipp to “offset money owed.”

 

The simple point is that Skipp didn’t actually cost Leicester £25m. Cooper wanted him, and both clubs structured the deal so it appeared as a £25m purchase for PSR. That number is just the accounting figure — not the real cost to us — because Spurs still owed us money from the Maddison deal.

 

If we were paying £5m a year for Skipp while Spurs were still paying £8m a year for Maddison, we’re still £3m up each year. Over the term, that’s a £15m surplus.

So when you look at the real cost, Leicester effectively took Skipp + £15m instead of waiting 5–6 years for the full Maddison instalments. We needed a premier league player for a survival push, and Cooper believed Skipp could help right away.

 

The “£25m for Skipp” figure is just the PSR number — not what we actually paid, or the real cost to us. That's what I'm saying. 

 

Some serious mental gymnastics here, what a load of bollocks

[honeybradger]

43 minutes ago, CarolinaFox said:

You’re looking at it the wrong way. We didn’t buy Skipp to “offset money owed.”

 

The simple point is that Skipp didn’t actually cost Leicester £25m. Cooper wanted him, and both clubs structured the deal so it appeared as a £25m purchase for PSR. That number is just the accounting figure — not the real cost to us — because Spurs still owed us money from the Maddison deal.

 

If we were paying £5m a year for Skipp while Spurs were still paying £8m a year for Maddison, we’re still £3m up each year. Over the term, that’s a £15m surplus.

So when you look at the real cost, Leicester effectively took Skipp + £15m instead of waiting 5–6 years for the full Maddison instalments. We needed a premier league player for a survival push, and Cooper believed Skipp could help right away.

 

The “£25m for Skipp” figure is just the PSR number — not what we actually paid, or the real cost to us. That's what I'm saying. 

 

You're going through a lot of mental gymnastics to justify this transfer.

 

If we paid £15mil and Skipp for Maddison then that would make Maddison an £18-20 mil player as Skipp is worth £3mil at best. This simply doesn't track.

 

Within reason Maddison is a £40mil player so £15mil + Skipp for Maddison must mean that Skipp cost the club £25mil, which he did.

 

If the point was to get the money up front we do that already by taking out loans from Macquarie against future installments so that doesn't work either.

 

Whichever way you look at it we massively overpaid for Skipp, probably 10x his real value.

Edited 5 hours ago by honeybradger

[Ric Flair]

37 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Cartwright that couldnt start for Falkirk? Will need a lot more quality then that

I'm being facetious but if Kieron Dyer says Sammy Braybrooke is the best midfielder in League Two last season, only a year on from not being able to nail down a place at Dundee then don't completely rule Cartwright out at this level. 

[v6rat]

3 hours ago, moore_94 said:

Has to go down as probably our worst ever transfer window?

 

Skipp - £25m

Bilal - £20m (broke even on the fee at best)

Okoli - £15m

Ayew - £5m

Golding - £5m

Reid - Free but 3 year contract

Edouard - loan with no break clause

Facundo - loan and Cooper seemingly had no clue how to use him

 

Sold KDH who should’ve been our future captain and key player for years to come

Then Woyo for £2m in January

 

Stop doing this.

 

I'm still struggling coming to terms with £12.5m for Ward, without you adding to the pain.

Edited 4 hours ago by v6rat