Tottenham and other disturbances / riots

[hackneyfox]

 

I wonder how passionate your defence of him would be if your son had been killed by him in the past and you had to watch him walk away because no one would grass him up.

 

Somewhat over the top in your defence of the police.

I'm not defending Duggan, from all accounts he won't be missed, my problem is with a police force who kill unarmed people and then lie afterwards.

 

 

On a sidenote I'd like to give a shout to the Tottenham MP David Lammy, what a man of dignity he is, he could easily have used this to his own end but he hasn't..

 

In contrast to the inevitable intended community division race baiting from the usual suspects Diane Abbott and Les Jasper last night Lammy has came out and appealed for calm, told people to respect the justice system, made clear his absolute contempt for the way the family and their supporters behaved in and out of the courtroom yesterday and forcefully stated that race has no part or influence on the case, I wouldn't vote for a Labour MP but if I had to Lammy would be top of the list.

 

In tne interview I saw with Lammy last night he was questioning a police force who have killed 4 people in 4 decades, he certainly seemed to believe that race does play a part in the way the police treat people.

It would be ridiculous to believe that it doesn't, the stop and search figures prove it.

On C4 news last night they interviewed a guy who was a gang mediator (?) he had just been stopped by the police and searched and questioned for 40 minutes on his way to the interview, he certainly believes that race has a lot to do with it and he works with the police daily.

[Babylon]

The only known member of the public to witness the death of Mark Duggan has told BBC News that he believes the police did not need to shoot him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25657206

 

Arrrgh would this be the bloke who from 150metres and about 9 stories up, could see exactly what was happening?

 

Just to give you an idea, if you are stood in the stand behind the goal at leicester about half way up. Imagine how far the opposition keeper is away from you... add about another 20 metres to that, and you have the distance from witch this "witness" was stood.

 

And this is the bloke who could clearly see what he was holding in his hand. The same one who originally told the bbc reporters he gave his tape to one thing, and then completely changed his mind when talking to the police.

[Captain...]

Arrrgh would this be the bloke who from 150metres and about 9 stories up, could see exactly what was happening?

 

Just to give you an idea, if you are stood in the stand behind the goal at leicester about half way up. Imagine how far the opposition keeper is away from you... add about another 20 metres to that, and you have the distance from witch this "witness" was stood.

 

And this is the bloke who could clearly see what he was holding in his hand. The same one who originally told the bbc reporters he gave his tape to one thing, and then completely changed his mind when talking to the police.

 

And I could clearly see he was offside!

[Merging Cultures]

 

 

I wonder how passionate your defence of him would be if your son had been killed by him in the past and you had to watch him walk away because no one would grass him up.

 

Somewhat over the top in your defence of the police.

I'm not defending Duggan, from all accounts he won't be missed, my problem is with a police force who kill unarmed people and then lie afterwards.

 

 

On a sidenote I'd like to give a shout to the Tottenham MP David Lammy, what a man of dignity he is, he could easily have used this to his own end but he hasn't..

 

In contrast to the inevitable intended community division race baiting from the usual suspects Diane Abbott and Les Jasper last night Lammy has came out and appealed for calm, told people to respect the justice system, made clear his absolute contempt for the way the family and their supporters behaved in and out of the courtroom yesterday and forcefully stated that race has no part or influence on the case, I wouldn't vote for a Labour MP but if I had to Lammy would be top of the list.

 

In tne interview I saw with Lammy last night he was questioning a police force who have killed 4 people in 4 decades, he certainly seemed to believe that race does play a part in the way the police treat people.

It would be ridiculous to believe that it doesn't, the stop and search figures prove it.

On C4 news last night they interviewed a guy who was a gang mediator (?) he had just been stopped by the police and searched and questioned for 40 minutes on his way to the interview, he certainly believes that race has a lot to do with it and he works with the police daily.

 

 

Of course 'race' plays a part but then probably so does any appearance. If you are dressed as a 'Punk' now or in the 60s/70s, or skinny white dude who with loads of tattoos who looks like a user then it is likely you will be targeted too. Why? Because unfortunately the proportion of people who share those appearances and commit crimes is higher than the 'preppy' looking white guy. 

 

My wife is Jamaican (of the non Yardie variety), we have two mixed children. We are aware that they are more likely to be stopped by police because my wife is black and they are mixed. But my wife takes advice from Chris Rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCCjFbFXn8 and we dont have a problem.

 

What's the problem with being stopped by the police?

[ADK]

Stonewall penalty. Although he did go down like he'd been shot.

[Guest MattP]

 

 

I wonder how passionate your defence of him would be if your son had been killed by him in the past and you had to watch him walk away because no one would grass him up.

 

Somewhat over the top in your defence of the police.

I'm not defending Duggan, from all accounts he won't be missed, my problem is with a police force who kill unarmed people and then lie afterwards.

 

 

On a sidenote I'd like to give a shout to the Tottenham MP David Lammy, what a man of dignity he is, he could easily have used this to his own end but he hasn't..

 

In contrast to the inevitable intended community division race baiting from the usual suspects Diane Abbott and Les Jasper last night Lammy has came out and appealed for calm, told people to respect the justice system, made clear his absolute contempt for the way the family and their supporters behaved in and out of the courtroom yesterday and forcefully stated that race has no part or influence on the case, I wouldn't vote for a Labour MP but if I had to Lammy would be top of the list.

 

In tne interview I saw with Lammy last night he was questioning a police force who have killed 4 people in 4 decades, he certainly seemed to believe that race does play a part in the way the police treat people.

It would be ridiculous to believe that it doesn't, the stop and search figures prove it.

On C4 news last night they interviewed a guy who was a gang mediator (?) he had just been stopped by the police and searched and questioned for 40 minutes on his way to the interview, he certainly believes that race has a lot to do with it and he works with the police daily.

 

I've never been accused of defending the OB before

 

Lammy certainly didnt say that this morning, is it really that much of a surprise black people are searched more? They are far more likely to be involved in street crime so thats going to happen as thats generally where stop and searches happen.

 

I've never brought into this nonsense we should be searching 70 year old chinese pensioners so the black guy with the hood and scarf over his face running down an alleyway at the sight of a police car doesnt feel bad.

[ADK]

I do sympathise with people getting stop and searched just because they are black though. But I believe this is something that has improved in recent years. Statistics won't reveal the truth though.

[Dan]

I blame any hatred of the police on Grand Theft Auto.

[Zingari]

Arrrgh would this be the bloke who from 150metres and about 9 stories up, could see exactly what was happening?

 

Just to give you an idea, if you are stood in the stand behind the goal at leicester about half way up. Imagine how far the opposition keeper is away from you... add about another 20 metres to that, and you have the distance from witch this "witness" was stood.

 

And this is the bloke who could clearly see what he was holding in his hand. The same one who originally told the bbc reporters he gave his tape to one thing, and then completely changed his mind when talking to the police.

Yes of course , but the only eye witness supposedly that saw Oswald in the 6 th floor of TSBD was looking up from ground level .

And we are told to believe he could definitely identify him as the killer .

 

Don't you see how selective eyewitness testimonies become when the need arises . 

 

i'm  only being half serious here   

[Parafox]

I believe the report said Duggan was getting out of the taxi with his hands raised in an "aiming position" and that there was an object in his hand.

 

The police officer believed he was under direct threat from a firearm. This would be because of the intel the police had on Duggan, that he was in possession of a firearm, that it had been used previously in a violent assault and that he had a history of armed robberies and was a gang member/leader.

 

The fact that he chucked the gun away 6 metres from the taxi and therefore was unarmed when he was shot does not mitigate the fact that, AT THE TIME, the officer believed he was armed and had the potential to shoot.

 

That's why the jury decided it was a lawful killing. And in spite of what others have said it took nearly 3 years to reach the verdict so it's hardly a knee jerk defence of the police.

[Super_horns]

He paid for his life mainly due to the reputation police had of him and the criminal activities the guy was involved in.

The police just had that split second reaction which proved tragic but I can understand why they acted as they did.

[Lamby]

I don't get why people are playing the race card, he wasn't ever properly black! Well not from the picture the BBC used anyway. His aunt looks like she could be on Jeremy Kyle though.

[Itsthejoeker]

People are reacting like the police got him on his knees and put a gun to his head, they had seconds to make the decision whether he posed a threat or not.

[Langston]

I don't get why people are playing the race card, he wasn't ever properly black! Well not from the picture the BBC used anyway. 

 

jesus ****ing wept

[Vacamion]

I don't get why people are playing the race card, he wasn't ever properly black! Well not from the picture the BBC used anyway. His aunt looks like she could be on Jeremy Kyle though.

 

Maybe you could hold a Dulux colour chart up against people to help you decide how to treat them...

 

[Lamby]

But if you look on Twitter and what not they're all like "shooting an innocent black man"

[Corky]

I don't get why people are playing the race card, he wasn't ever properly black! Well not from the picture the BBC used anyway. His aunt looks like she could be on Jeremy Kyle though.

 

Dear oh fvcking dear.

[Webbo]

But if you look on Twitter and what not they're all like "shooting an innocent black man"

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

[Lamby]

From the picture I saw on BBC, he was mixed, so surely it should be mixed and not black? Just an observation.

[The God Emperor]

going by colonial racial classifications, I'd say he was either mulatto or quadroon.

is that any help lamby 

[Buce]

It might just seem like semantics, but I think Lamby has a valid point: his mother is clearly white so why should he be identified by his paternal genes? Would he still be 'black' if he had one black grandparent? How far back do you need to go before he's white?

[Guest MattP]

It might just seem like semantics, but I think Lamby has a valid point: his mother is clearly white so why should he be identified by his paternal genes? Would he still be 'black' if he had one black grandparent? How far back do you need to go before he's white?

 

Generally if people have any black in them they are considered "black" now. It's quite bizarre but for some reason we have to all conform to it.

 

I can be German, Austrian or Irish by the logic, it's baffling.

[Zingari]

I'm 100% pure mongrel 

[Russell sprout]

I'm fed up of all this 'race' bollox,

The police shot this duggan lad because he was a non law abiding scum bag and wannabe gangster who needed bringing down,but obviously if he was white he wouldn't have been shot??

We are constantly treading on egg shells as to what we say on subjects like this through fear of being branded racists?

The facts are the majority of gun and knife crime amongst gangs are committed by black folk,

Then because police stop and search it's racial discrimination,it's like white folk are indebted to black people,no doubt they'll be more riots nationwide in respect of the duggan looser!

The police wanting to meet local folk to ease tention is bollox,the fact he got shot dead should act as a warning to others what will happen if they wanna act like a bad boy!wish our police had more authoritie to rid the streets of more of these scumbags.

[Deucalion]

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

 

Or dig upwards.