Corky Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 As far as I'm aware he doesn't mind Gallagher, so it wasn't a dig.
sdb Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 very useful squad player imo. always happy to see him in he squad. all wingers are inconsistent too we should remember. inexplicable how poor his final ball is though - surely you'd practice crosses to death as a winger?! His pace and Guppy's crossing ability and you'd have the leagues best winger!
leicester4life Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 if his left foot was half as good as guppy's right, i'd make passionate man love to him.
Mark_w Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 given some of his posts I'm not so sure Of course I was being sarcastic.
GingerrrFox Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 The difference between Lloyd Dyer and Paul Gallagher is that Dyer has his "moments" when they are most needed, just look at last season against Hull at home, we went 1 down and within 10 minutes we were back in the game and the momentum shifted from dyer turning his man beating him for pace and banging it in the bottom corner. Gallagher's excellence is usually shown from the penalty spot where he is one of the best players I've seen at that facet of the game and sometimes in open play in matches where we are already in a comfortable position.
Father Ted Posted 5 August 2012 Posted 5 August 2012 I like Dyer. Away from home, he is a massive threat where teams tend to open up more and he can terrorise full backs. In simple terms, he is a reliable winger, sound defensively, not afraid to stick his foot in, firey at times and has lightning pace. I would much rather have Dyer in the team than Gallagher simply because he provides width and expansion, brings pace to the counter and is solid defensively. His level is definitely no further than the Championship though and even as a squad player he would be a fantastic asset in this division. Lloyd
ealingfox Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 Bristol City Away in the play-off season! What a moment.
Ross 'LCFC' Turner Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 Bristol City Away in the play-off season! What a moment. Huddersfield away, even better!
hbkkids Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 Gally and Dyer are both good but inconsistent players. For example, every 5-10 games Gally will do his special scoring 30 yarders ect. And every 5-10 games dyer would run rings round defences and cause havoc. The problem is neither of them do it enough....
Babylon Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 but Lloyd in 3 years has a grand total of 5 assists. That is a shocking stat for a winger.
fleckneymike Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 That is a shocking stat for a winger. It is, but apparently he runs really quickly and tries really hard so it's ok. In fairness to Lloyd this is the full picture (I've rounded down) 09/10 1 assist 3 goals 30 shots (1g in 10s) 10/11 2 assists 5 goals 43 shots (1g in 8s) 11/12 2 assists 6 goals 29 shots (1g in 5s) Gally 09/10 4 assists 7 goals 61 shots (1g in 9s) 10/11 7 assists 10 goals 82 shots (1g in 8s) 11/12 3 assists 8 goals 33 shots (1g in 4s) Wellens 09/10 5 assists 1 goal 34 shots (1g in 34s) 10/11 8 assists 2 goals 38 shots (1g in 19s) 11/12 5 assists 1 goal 24 shots (1g in 24s) King 09/10 1 assist goals 41 shots (1g in 4s) 10/11 5 assists 15 goals 77 shots (1g in 5s) 11/12 1 assist 4 goals 36 shots (1g in 9s)
Grey Fox Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 It is, but apparently he runs really quickly and tries really hard so it's ok. In fairness to Lloyd this is the full picture (I've rounded down) 09/10 1 assist 3 goals 30 shots (1g in 10s) 10/11 2 assists 5 goals 43 shots (1g in 8s) 11/12 2 assists 6 goals 29 shots (1g in 5s) Gally 09/10 4 assists 7 goals 61 shots (1g in 9s) 10/11 7 assists 10 goals 82 shots (1g in 8s) 11/12 3 assists 8 goals 33 shots (1g in 4s) Wellens 09/10 5 assists 1 goal 34 shots (1g in 34s) 10/11 8 assists 2 goals 38 shots (1g in 19s) 11/12 5 assists 1 goal 24 shots (1g in 24s) King 09/10 1 assist goals 41 shots (1g in 4s) 10/11 5 assists 15 goals 77 shots (1g in 5s) 11/12 1 assist 4 goals 36 shots (1g in 9s) Gally takes pens, I don't think it's fair on Lloyd (or the others for that matter) to include those in these stats.
Jimbo Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 It is, but apparently he runs really quickly and tries really hard so it's ok. In fairness to Lloyd this is the full picture (I've rounded down) 09/10 1 assist 3 goals 30 shots (1g in 10s) 10/11 2 assists 5 goals 43 shots (1g in 8s) 11/12 2 assists 6 goals 29 shots (1g in 5s) Gally 09/10 4 assists 7 goals 61 shots (1g in 9s) 10/11 7 assists 10 goals 82 shots (1g in 8s) 11/12 3 assists 8 goals 33 shots (1g in 4s) Wellens 09/10 5 assists 1 goal 34 shots (1g in 34s) 10/11 8 assists 2 goals 38 shots (1g in 19s) 11/12 5 assists 1 goal 24 shots (1g in 24s) King 09/10 1 assist goals 41 shots (1g in 4s) 10/11 5 assists 15 goals 77 shots (1g in 5s) 11/12 1 assist 4 goals 36 shots (1g in 9s) Don't get me wrong, Dyer frustrates the hell out me, mainly because he goes in to hibernation between October and February, but those stats are unfair on him. We know he can't cross as good as he should for a winger but you have to give him credit for what he can bring to a game, not just look at the stats on paper. His pace alone means that defences have to sit further back, and times he has caused havoc by taking his man on and driving towards the by line or into the box. Just because he doesn't have the final touch to count as an assist he's still had a part to play in a lot of goals scored. Plus his pace on the counter attack can prove useful, will always remember his goal away at Blackpool, mainly for stringers commentary about him being like Usain Bolt
fleckneymike Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 Gally takes pens, I don't think it's fair on Lloyd (or the others for that matter) to include those in these stats. Why is there always an assumption that penalties don't count? If they were so very easy to score from we wouldn't bother with them and automatically award the goal. Gally takes them because he is the best at taking them.
Jimbo Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 Why is there always an assumption that penalties don't count? If they were so very easy to score from we wouldn't bother with them and automatically award the goal. Gally takes them because he is the best at taking them. But they are easier to score from than to grab a goal from open play. If you are a dedicated penalty taker then the likely hood is that you will score more goals than someone in a similar position
fleckneymike Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 Don't get me wrong, Dyer frustrates the hell out me, mainly because he goes in to hibernation between October and February, but those stats are unfair on him. We know he can't cross as good as he should for a winger but you have to give him credit for what he can bring to a game, not just look at the stats on paper. His pace alone means that defences have to sit further back, and times he has caused havoc by taking his man on and driving towards the by line or into the box. Just because he doesn't have the final touch to count as an assist he's still had a part to play in a lot of goals scored. Plus his pace on the counter attack can prove useful, will always remember his goal away at Blackpool, mainly for stringers commentary about him being like Usain Bolt I despise this line of argument as it is completely anecdotal and entirely lacking in evidence. Could anyone direct me to a goal which has been scored as a result of Dyer's pace for which he has not already been credited with an assist.
fleckneymike Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 But they are easier to score from than to grab a goal from open play. If you are a dedicated penalty taker then the likely hood is that you will score more goals than someone in a similar position If they are so easy why do sides have designated takers? Prem Stats 2011/12 (as of March 16th): 83 penalties - 57 scored, 22 saved, 4 missed Saved: 26.5% Conversion rate: 69% 2010/11: 105 penalties - 81 scored, 14 saved, 10 missed Saved: 13% Conversion rate: 77% 2009/10: 111 penalties - 86 scored, 23 saved, 2 missed Saved: 21% Conversion rate: 77% 2008/09: 85 penalties - 67 scored, 13 saved, 5 missed Saved: 15% Conversion rate: 79% 2007/08: 88 penalties - 68 scored, 16 saved, 4 missed Saved: 18% Conversion rate: 77% 2006/07: 112 penalties – 87 scored, 20 saved, 5 missed Saved: 18% Conversion rate: 78% 2005/06: 76 penalties - 57 scored, 15 saved, 4 missed Saved: 20% Conversion rate: 75% 2004/05: 84 penalties - 66 scored, 14 saved, 4 missed Saved: 17% Conversion rate: 79% 2003/04: 89 penalties - 69 scored, 18 saved, 2 missed Saved: 20% Conversion rate: 78% 2002/03: 92 penalties - 75 scored, 14 saved, 3 missed Saved: 15% Conversion rate: 82% 2001/02: 73 penalties - 48 scored, 14 saved, 11 missed Saved: 19% Conversion rate: 66% 2000/01: 68 penalties - 54 scored, 9 saved, 5 missed Saved: 13% Conversion rate: 79%
Jimbo Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 If they are so easy why do sides have designated takers? Prem Stats 2011/12 (as of March 16th): 83 penalties - 57 scored, 22 saved, 4 missed Saved: 26.5% Conversion rate: 69% 2010/11: 105 penalties - 81 scored, 14 saved, 10 missed Saved: 13% Conversion rate: 77% 2009/10: 111 penalties - 86 scored, 23 saved, 2 missed Saved: 21% Conversion rate: 77% 2008/09: 85 penalties - 67 scored, 13 saved, 5 missed Saved: 15% Conversion rate: 79% 2007/08: 88 penalties - 68 scored, 16 saved, 4 missed Saved: 18% Conversion rate: 77% 2006/07: 112 penalties – 87 scored, 20 saved, 5 missed Saved: 18% Conversion rate: 78% 2005/06: 76 penalties - 57 scored, 15 saved, 4 missed Saved: 20% Conversion rate: 75% 2004/05: 84 penalties - 66 scored, 14 saved, 4 missed Saved: 17% Conversion rate: 79% 2003/04: 89 penalties - 69 scored, 18 saved, 2 missed Saved: 20% Conversion rate: 78% 2002/03: 92 penalties - 75 scored, 14 saved, 3 missed Saved: 15% Conversion rate: 82% 2001/02: 73 penalties - 48 scored, 14 saved, 11 missed Saved: 19% Conversion rate: 66% 2000/01: 68 penalties - 54 scored, 9 saved, 5 missed Saved: 13% Conversion rate: 79% You've missed the point completely buddy. I haven't said they were easy, what I did say is that it's more likely that you would score more goals being a designated penalty taker than if you weren't.
Grey Fox Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 Why is there always an assumption that penalties don't count? If they were so very easy to score from we wouldn't bother with them and automatically award the goal. Gally takes them because he is the best at taking them. That's not what I said Mike. I said in these stats they shouldn't count. It's hardly fair on the others that Gally has chances from the spot counted as shots for the purpose of bringing down his goal to shot ratio. At least it isn't for me. I'm not taking anything away from Gally's penalty taking prowess. He's extremely good at it, and I feel comfortable when he steps up for us. However in a straight goal to shot ratio comparison, I just don't think it's fair on the others to include them. There are lies, damned lies, and there are statistics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics
fleckneymike Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 You've missed the point completely buddy. I haven't said they were easy, what I did say is that it's more likely that you would score more goals being a designated penalty taker than if you weren't. I haven't missed your point. You are indeed more likely to score more goals if you are designated penalty taker but by the same token there is a reason why you are designated penalty and that is because you are good at taking penalties. There is a reason why Lloyd doesn't take corners, free kicks or penalties and that is because technically he is shit. As I and others have said, you would expect your winger (a man whose job it is to cross the ball) to take set pieces in which the ball is perfectly stationary and cross it into the box. Lloyd Dyer is fast, and that is it.
fleckneymike Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 That's not what I said Mike. I said in these stats they shouldn't count. It's hardly fair on the others that Gally has chances from the spot counted as shots for the purpose of bringing down his goal to shot ratio. At least it isn't for me. I'm not taking anything away from Gally's penalty taking prowess. He's extremely good at it, and I feel comfortable when he steps up for us. However in a straight goal to shot ratio comparison, I just don't think it's fair on the others to include them. There are lies, damned lies, and there are statistics: http://en.wikipedia...._and_statistics Why shouldn't a shot count as a shot?
Jimbo Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 I haven't missed your point. You are indeed more likely to score more goals if you are designated penalty taker but by the same token there is a reason why you are designated penalty and that is because you are good at taking penalties. There is a reason why Lloyd doesn't take corners, free kicks or penalties and that is because technically he is shit. As I and others have said, you would expect your winger (a man whose job it is to cross the ball) to take set pieces in which the ball is perfectly stationary and cross it into the box. Lloyd Dyer is fast, and that is it. But you have missed the point. You cannot compare Gallys goals to shot ratio to Lloyd Dyer! Did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
Grey Fox Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 Why shouldn't a shot count as a shot? Because penalties aren't always created by the taker, any member of the team could have gained the penalty. Count them if you want, but I won't. I'd like to see the stats without pens included. That's my personal preference.
hackneyfox Posted 6 August 2012 Posted 6 August 2012 They're both crap at taking corners. We won't get promoted if either of them plays a major role in the season.
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