Anthony Gerrard Cardiff to Leicester

[Jace]

I think it's wrong fans expect to be able to abuse a player on twitter and expect them to put up with it without reacting. Good on him and hope we sign more players that stick up for themselves and I hope if any of our fans troll him on twitter he continues to bite back just like Koncheskys mum would do

[kingfox]

I think you might be claiming to know more about Gerrard than you actually do, just as I suspect you do with De Laet and James.

Sure, you'll find Cardiff fans slagging AG off, as he celebrated with the opposition after they beat his club in the cup. I don't think it's that bad considering he was only there because he was with his cousin, who just happened to play for the opponents. I don't care if all the Cardiff fans think he is a bellend. I only care about how well he plays for us - something none of us can possibly know yet, since we haven't even officially signed him at this point in time.

Why not focus on the positives? I think it's fair to say that Pearson values attitude and personality highly when targeting new signings, and I strongly doubt he would even think about buying players who could disrupt the harmony of the squad. Add to that the fact that Pearson has worked with Gerrard before, and you can be even more sure NP knows exactly what AG is like to work with. Also, when Pearson and Gerrard did last work together, Gerrard was Hull's player of the season, ahead of players like Koren.

I can't see any reason to be so negative about this potential signing. If we sign him and he turns out to be shite, that's when you'd be justified to slag him off, but I can't see the point in doing it now, when he hasn't even kicked a ball for us.

I'm not sure if you realise that not everything you think is actual fact. I think you should be more sceptical. I haven't forgotten about your infamous "victims" thread, and I think you need to learn to be far more open minded, not just because it's unfair to slag off players who haven't played for us yet, but also for your own well being. There's no need to be fed up about players being shite when there's no good reason to think they are. I think you might form opinions about players in the same way a fussy eater does about food - before they've even tried something, they've already made their mind up that they're going to hate it, so their judgement is clouded.

Good post.

But all fans have different opinions, all fans are different. I am just passionate and think we can do better, I am not expecting us to sign Lionel Messi, yes Pearson has his plans and wants his own players, but im afraid I just have negative comments on some of them. But I admit I should be more open minded and stop kicking up a fuss at certain players especially when they haven't kicked a ball. It's just that players like Gerrard have negative history, makes me work up an appetite of giving out my frustrations on him.

But will take those opinions on board, thanks.

[Happy Fox]

Sometimes we have to evaluate and look at the situation as Toffee Fox said yesterday we don't have the finances to get a Chester or Berra type player while some high earners are on the books.

[Guest Col city fan]

I think it's wrong fans expect to be able to abuse a player on twitter and expect them to put up with it without reacting. Good on him and hope we sign more players that stick up for themselves and I hope if any of our fans troll him on twitter he continues to bite back just like Koncheskys mum would do

Though I do agree I've always thought if I was a pro footballer ( I wish!!) I would steer clear of Twitter.

It seems to me that it can be massively abused and could be the source of more trouble to come.

Getting into personal stuff with others on twitter doesn't seem at all productive to me.

[Guest Col city fan]

I think you might be claiming to know more about Gerrard than you actually do, just as I suspect you do with De Laet and James.

Sure, you'll find Cardiff fans slagging AG off, as he celebrated with the opposition after they beat his club in the cup. I don't think it's that bad considering he was only there because he was with his cousin, who just happened to play for the opponents. I don't care if all the Cardiff fans think he is a bellend. I only care about how well he plays for us - something none of us can possibly know yet, since we haven't even officially signed him at this point in time.

Why not focus on the positives? I think it's fair to say that Pearson values attitude and personality highly when targeting new signings, and I strongly doubt he would even think about buying players who could disrupt the harmony of the squad. Add to that the fact that Pearson has worked with Gerrard before, and you can be even more sure NP knows exactly what AG is like to work with. Also, when Pearson and Gerrard did last work together, Gerrard was Hull's player of the season, ahead of players like Koren.

I can't see any reason to be so negative about this potential signing. If we sign him and he turns out to be shite, that's when you'd be justified to slag him off, but I can't see the point in doing it now, when he hasn't even kicked a ball for us.

I'm not sure if you realise that not everything you think is actual fact. I think you should be more sceptical. I haven't forgotten about your infamous "victims" thread, and I think you need to learn to be far more open minded, not just because it's unfair to slag off players who haven't played for us yet, but also for your own well being. There's no need to be fed up about players being shite when there's no good reason to think they are. I think you might form opinions about players in the same way a fussy eater does about food - before they've even tried something, they've already made their mind up that they're going to hate it, so their judgement is clouded.

Very sensible post as usual.

[Jace]

Though I do agree I've always thought if I was a pro footballer ( I wish!!) I would steer clear of Twitter.

It seems to me that it can be massively abused and could be the source of more trouble to come.

Getting into personal stuff with others on twitter doesn't seem at all productive to me.

Yeah that would be the more sensible answer

[kingfox]

The Cardiff fans are only so hostile because to him because of an internet rumour, yet you say you don't pay attention to them. He has some negative responses from Cardiff fans, but that is really down to a percieved bad attitude a view built really only on a supposed reaction to their final loss (When he tagged along to his cousins celebrations, big deal) and a 'Bad Attitude' which they think he has as a result of him responding to his critics on Twitter. But if he gets anything like the stick people like Gallagher and Wellens get, can you blame him?

You are however choosing to ignore the opinions of Hull fans (Who have watched him play a very similar amount of football in terms of game time), a club that he played for under the same manager he would be working for here. Equally if you had the time on your hands I'm sure you could find a lot of Hull fans who rave about him on the internet. You're reading way too much into his time at Cardiff and completely ignoring what he did at Hull a club who he has played pretty much the same number of minutes for (When you take into account sub appearances for Cardiff). Seriously just chill and judge him on what he actually does here.

Think it goes to more than that over some of there opinions on him. We will just have to wait and see now I guess if we do sign him, will Cardiff fans be right like Reading fans were on Mills. Or can Gerrard find his form under Pearson like he did at Hull.

But not forgetting Hull had him on loan over two season's ago now, he spent the whole season at Cardiff under Mackay, and Mackay obviously gave him a chance but he didn't perform and got dropped from first choice along with Hudson to fourth choice after the signing of Turner from Coventry. His performances have dipped in the past year, maybe because he came frustrated or felt unsettled, or he is simply going down hill as a footballer. Many players deteriorate after a year, you just need to look at the performances of Wellens to know that it can happen. He went from one of our top players to one of our worst last season, same can be said for Andy King, while it seemed Gerrard went from good at Hull, to back to Cardiff and struggled.

[foxfanazer]

Good post.

But all fans have different opinions, all fans are different. I am just passionate and think we can do better, I am not expecting us to sign Lionel Messi, yes Pearson has his plans and wants his own players, but im afraid I just have negative comments on some of them. But I admit I should be more open minded and stop kicking up a fuss at certain players especially when they haven't kicked a ball. It's just that players like Gerrard have negative history, makes me work up an appetite of giving out my frustrations on him.

But will take those opinions on board, thanks.

Everyone will have different opinions on new signings and that's fine. I just hope that if Gerrard proves to be a success that you can be big enough (im sure you are) to acknowledge it and give the guy some credit. I'm sure you don't want him to be awful for us.

Obviously he hasn't signed yet

[Babylon]

Cardiff fans have there opinions like I said, they watched him week in week out and know what he is like from his events on the pitch, why would all those negatives comments be untrue, yes if one or two people said he was rubbish and bigheaded and 10 said he is a good player then who would you believe then?

How many of them are football based? All I can see are comments about twitter and going out with his cousin.

Have you been to see what the Hull fans said about their player of the season for balance?

But it's the fact that there are so many negative comments on him Mark, which doesn't look good in all honesty, just like with Reading fans and there opinions on Mills we thought they were utter bollocks, but they were actually telling the truth and there opinions were 100% correct on him.

And there is a reason a lot of people scoffed at what the Reading fans said. Because most of the time it turns out to be a load of old cobblers and sour grapes.

[Out Foxed]

Getting into personal stuff with others online doesn't seem at all productive to me.

people do it on here everyday.

[kingfox]

How many of them are football based? All I can see are comments about twitter and going out with his cousin.

Have you been to see what the Hull fans said about their player of the season for balance?

And there is a reason a lot of people scoffed at what the Reading fans said. Because most of the time it turns out to be a load of old cobblers and sour grapes.

How many Reading fans on there forum were football based, but they were right about Mills. Some people in football aswell talk utter bollocks, so no point believing some of their views aswell.

Like I said his time at Hull was now two season's ago, he has obviously changed since then from his time at Cardiff last season, like King and Wellens have changed for us.

But you got to admit the Reading fans know what they are talking about, honestly fans know more than flaming pundits sometimes and that is the truth, the likes of Peter Beagrie saying Wellens is our best player and was shocked that Mills was dropped, obviously he knew absolutely nothing and didn't reasearch the last couple of games.

Fans can be true sometimes, they watch the player week in week out, and I stand by what I said on that.

[Raw Dykes]

Good post.

But all fans have different opinions, all fans are different. I am just passionate and think we can do better, I am not expecting us to sign Lionel Messi, yes Pearson has his plans and wants his own players, but im afraid I just have negative comments on some of them. But I admit I should be more open minded and stop kicking up a fuss at certain players especially when they haven't kicked a ball. It's just that players like Gerrard have negative history, makes me work up an appetite of giving out my frustrations on him.

But will take those opinions on board, thanks.

Thanks!

I understand that different people will have wildly different opinions on certain things - that's nature. I just think, when it comes to forming opinions on players, the only thing that really matters is how they perform for your club. I think you'll find a lot of footballers are dickheads, but since I don't hang around with them, that doesn't matter to me, as long as they can perform well on the pitch. Obviously, there are exceptions - I wouldn't be happy to see us sign someone like Marlon King or Lee Hughes, but as far as I know, Anthony Gerrard hasn't done anything anywhere near as bad as them.

I think the negative comments about AG are mainly stem from Cardiff fans being upset with him going out on the piss with his cousin after their defeat - a cousin who just happened to be part of the victorious team. Because he stuck up for himself, they had more ammunition to attack him with. Bear in mind, these are Cardiff fans we're talking about. I don't like to generalise, but from my own experience, I don't think they'd be far from the top of a poll to find the British club with the most bitter set of miserable bastard fans.

My point is, I doubt there are that many negative comments about his ability as a Championship football player, which is by far the most important thing. Look at Hull fans opinions about his performances on the pitch, and I'm sure it'll be a totally different story.

[kingfox]

Thanks!

I understand that different people will have wildly different opinions on certain things - that's nature. I just think, when it comes to forming opinions on players, the only thing that really matters is how they perform for your club. I think you'll find a lot of footballers are dickheads, but since I don't hang around with them, that doesn't matter to me, as long as they can perform well on the pitch. Obviously, there are exceptions - I wouldn't be happy to see us sign someone like Marlon King or Lee Hughes, but as far as i know, Anthony Gerrard hasn't done anything anywhere near as bad as them.

I think the negative comments about AG are mainly stem from Cardiff fans being upset with him going out on the piss with his cousin after their defeat - a cousin who just happened to be part of the victorious team. Because he stuck up for himself, they had more ammunition to attack him with. Bear in mind, these are Cardiff fans we're talking about. I don't like to generalise, but from my own experience, I don't think they'd be far from the top of a poll to find the British club with the most bitter set of miserable bastard fans.

My point is, I doubt there are that many negative comments about his ability as a Championship football player, which is by far the most important thing. Look at Hull fans opinions about his performances on the pitch, and I'm sure it'll be a totally different story.

Yep fair enough, and good post again.

But just look at my comments to Babylon on the points you have made in the final two paragraphs and see what you think again.

Cba to type it all again!

[ARM1968]

I'll see the bloke play and properly judge then - if we sign him.

From what I have seen he's not great and 'could' be disruptive.

I know times have changed and we all have to accept that. Messi won't be coming now as backup for Dyer. Which is a real shame.

However what has not changed is the fact that fans can have a view on a player opposite to another and both are valid. Simples really.

Gerard has come across as a knob at times, some Cardiff fans think he's a bellend, clearly. But as with every player we will soon see.

[STUHILL]

I can't believe fans actually judge a player this much before they actually see them playing for us!!

Crazy! Obviously people have more time on their hands than me

I will wait and see how he performs in a Leicester shirt before I make any over the top judgements

[Babylon]

How many Reading fans on there forum were football based

A lot actually. Poor distribution and only playing good on TV being their major gripes.

Like I said his time at Hull was now two season's ago, he has obviously changed since then from his time at Cardiff last season, like King and Wellens have changed for us.

How do you know he's changed, what are you basing this on. Maybe, just maybe he's another one of those players that Pearson gets the very best out of that others couldn't. Such as Hobbs and Fryatt.

But you got to admit the Reading fans know what they are talking about, honestly fans know more than flaming pundits sometimes and that is the truth, the likes of Peter Beagrie saying Wellens is our best player and was shocked that Mills was dropped, obviously he knew absolutely nothing and didn't reasearch the last couple of games. Fans can be true sometimes, they watch the player week in week out, and I stand by what I said on that.

I'm not saying you don't take it on board. But you are listening to what they say and letting them make your mind up for you. You have already written the bloke off as a poor player and a disruptive influence. Why not just wait and see for yourself? For me their is a big difference between expressing a concern about what others have said, and the angle that you are coming from which is your minds made up.

Stop letting others make up your mind for you and form your own opinions when you have seen them play. The problem is I worry your judgment is going to be so clouded that you will be waiting for the first slip up to jump on their backs!

[Jaspa]

I can't believe fans actually judge a player this much before they actually see them playing for us!!

Crazy! Obviously people have more time on their hands than me

I will wait and see how he performs in a Leicester shirt before I make any over the top judgements

I can understand not liking a signed player

You've seen him play before, and you know his history and links

But, I think if Pearson has brought the player in, we should show faith and support our players, it undermines the trust in the manager and is stupid.

[STUHILL]

A lot actually. Poor distribution and only playing good on TV being their major gripes.

How do you know he's changed, what are you basing this on. Maybe, just maybe he's another one of those players that Pearson gets the very best out of that others couldn't. Such as Hobbs and Fryatt.

I'm not saying you don't take it on board. But you are listening to what they say and letting them make your mind up for you. You have already written the bloke off as a poor player and a disruptive influence. Why not just wait and see for yourself? For me their is a big difference between expressing a concern about what others have said, and the angle that you are coming from which is your minds made up.

Stop letting others make up your mind for you and form your own opinions when you have seen them play. The problem is I worry your judgment is going to be so clouded that you will be waiting for the first slip up to jump on their backs!

[Guest Col city fan]

A lot actually. Poor distribution and only playing good on TV being their major gripes.

How do you know he's changed, what are you basing this on. Maybe, just maybe he's another one of those players that Pearson gets the very best out of that others couldn't. Such as Hobbs and Fryatt.

I'm not saying you don't take it on board. But you are listening to what they say and letting them make your mind up for you. You have already written the bloke off as a poor player and a disruptive influence. Why not just wait and see for yourself? For me their is a big difference between expressing a concern about what others have said, and the angle that you are coming from which is your minds made up.

Stop letting others make up your mind for you and form your own opinions when you have seen them play. The problem is I worry your judgment is going to be so clouded that you will be waiting for the first slip up to jump on their backs!

This post should be the end of it IMO.

Spot on.

[kingfox]

A lot actually. Poor distribution and only playing good on TV being their major gripes.

How do you know he's changed, what are you basing this on. Maybe, just maybe he's another one of those players that Pearson gets the very best out of that others couldn't. Such as Hobbs and Fryatt.

I'm not saying you don't take it on board. But you are listening to what they say and letting them make your mind up for you. You have already written the bloke off as a poor player and a disruptive influence. Why not just wait and see for yourself? For me their is a big difference between expressing a concern about what others have said, and the angle that you are coming from which is your minds made up.

Stop letting others make up your mind for you and form your own opinions when you have seen them play. The problem is I worry your judgment is going to be so clouded that you will be waiting for the first slip up to jump on their backs!

Well if first point is true I didn't know that, but still they were all right and we have to admit that most of our fans opinions on Mills were absolutely wrong.

His performances changed it is clear to see that, go from player of the season at Hull then back to Cardiff and become shit and become fourth choice, if that's not change in performances then what the hell is it?

Nobody has made my mind up on him, I had an opinion on him before I read any of there comments. If you are a deep football fan like I am, you should of known what Gerrard can be like sometimes.

People getting frustrated over negative comments about Wellens, because people were slagging him off due to performances, but fans who did that are only voicing correct opinions on him, as his form did get a lot worse last season. Same with Cardiff fans and Gerrard, when they talk about his incidents and that he isn't as good as people make out, then you claim they are frustrated because he celebrated an oppositions goal, everyone thought Reading fans were frustrated because they sold their "best player" to us and we were laughing back in their faces, but they were just telling the truth. Fans can talk a lot of sense sometimes, it's up to you if you want to believe them or not, but you obviously don't.

[Guest Col city fan]

Well if first point is true I didn't know that, but still they were all right and we have to admit that most of our fans opinions on Mills were absolutely wrong.

His performances changed it is clear to see that, go from player of the season at Hull then back to Cardiff and become shit and become fourth choice, if that's not change in performances then what the hell is it?

Nobody has made my mind up on him, I had an opinion on him before I read any of there comments. If you are a deep football fan like I am, you should of known what Gerrard can be like sometimes.

People getting frustrated over negative comments about Wellens, because people were slagging him off due to performances, but fans who did that are only voicing correct opinions on him, as his form did get a lot worse last season. Same with Cardiff fans and Gerrard, when they talk about his incidents and that he isn't as good as people make out, then you claim they are frustrated because he celebrated an oppositions goal, everyone thought Reading fans were frustrated because they sold their "best player" to us and we were laughing back in their faces, but they were just telling the truth. Fans can talk a lot of sense sometimes, it's up to you if you want to believe them or not, but you obviously don't.

It obviously isn't the end of it...

[kingfox]

It obviously isn't the end of it...

I didn't see your comment, I was too focused on typing back to Babylon...again.

Sorryyyyyyy

[Mark_w]

Nobody has made my mind up on him, I had an opinion on him before I read any of there comments. If you are a deep football fan like I am, you should of known what Gerrard can be like sometimes.

You can't really, properly, judge a footballer without seeing him week in week out for a decent amount of time. You also can't really judge his personality unless you've, well, at least met him once surely?

I used to think from his time at Leeds that Jermain Beckford was a real ego and not a great player to have around behind the scenes (I don't really know why I got that impression), but to be fair to him I haven't seen any evidence of that here. My point is that you can't take anything at face value because fans and the media will have there own little agendas, the Cardiff fans I imagine were a little over emotional in response to the fallout from the cup final, plus now add to that the fact that they know he's leaving and I think it's fair to say those two things will have changed their opinions somewhat. I'd be more inclined to feel skeptical like you if you had some evidence of Hull fans talking of a poor personality or of Cardiff fans doing so before the cup final.

[marty78]

Whats a "deep football fan"? Do you contemplate the existence of God at half time or something?

[Corky]

Whats a "deep football fan"? Do you contemplate the existence of God at half time or something?

Or Sean St Ledger as he's also known to kingfox.