Beckford - will he go or will he stay?

[smudger63]

We should not sell beckford. Waggy and schlupp are not good enough. Knockers on the wing provides balance and width. Futacs is a target man. Nooge and beckford are very similar players and cannot play together. Vardy looks very good. Now Nooge and becks...... Nooge is the darling of the club and becks the villain. But let's be honest we are splitting hairs when talking about strike rate. Neither lived up to billing but I truly believe that both can next season, if becks had missed that header that Nooge did against Blackburn well he would have been burnt at the stake. I see becks and Nooge being equal replacements for one another this season. Both will, of given the chance, bag 15 goals or more.

This is very true.

[kingfox]

Sky Sports understands Jermaine Beckford is to go on loan to Huddersfield Town.

Source - Sky Sports Championship ticker bar, channel 405 of course.

Not on the internet yet.

[FantasticMrFuchs]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2196077/DJ-Campbell-Jermaine-Beckford-targeted-Huddersfield.html#ixzz254TGpKDS

[Raw Dykes]

James is too similar you can easily tell it, we don't need another player like him at this football club, we should of brought in a defensive midfielder or attacking midfielder, not another out to out central midfielder, who is exactly like the one's we have, it makes no sense what so ever.

You say this a lot, but I don't think it makes any sense. If we're aiming to play mainly/exclusively 4-4-2, then we don't need a specialist holding midfielder or attacking midfielder - box-to-box/all rounder midfielders will be ideal. It doesn't matter even if he is identical to one of the players we already have.

James is a young player who might well be happy to be a squad player for now. I think you need some players like this to add depth to the squad without disrupting dressing room harmony. He's bound to improve, given his age, and who knows, he could turn out to be better than any of the players you think he's too similar to eventually. It's way, way too early to tell.

[anotherharboroughfox]

I have been saying this for a while now....but we cannot keep someone who is doing no better than our other strikers who are on far less wages.

3 games in!

[kingfox]

You say this a lot, but I don't think it makes any sense. If we're aiming to play mainly/exclusively 4-4-2, then we don't need a specialist holding midfielder or attacking midfielder - box-to-box/all rounder midfielders will be ideal. It doesn't matter even if he is identical to one of the players we already have.

James is a young player who might well be happy to be a squad player for now. I think you need some players like this to add depth to the squad without disrupting dressing room harmony. He's bound to improve, given his age, and who knows, he could turn out to be better than any of the players you think he's too similar to eventually. It's way, way too early to tell.

Teams who get promotion often have a defensive midfielder and a goalscoring midfielder, we only really have a goalscoring one in King who is playing in a central role instead of attacking role, we shouldn't play 4-4-2, a diamond formation worked wonders at the end of last season, we were fluent in our play and far more dangerous than in a 4-4-2, Marshall was getting involved, the team was linking up and Beckford even looked good.

James may turn out good, and probably will but I just think Pearson don't need that type of player in the side, when he could of brought in a midfielder for the same price but a defensive one or attacking one.

[RonnieTodger]

I'd be pissed off if he was sold, but on loan? What the **** are you doing? If Waghorn has a bigger part to play in our season than Beckford, then I really despair.

[kingfox]

http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz254TGpKDS

Don't need no Daily Mail, it's been confirmed already that he is off on a loan deal.

People just check Sky Sports News and wait for the Championship ticker to run through, Huddersfield are also closing in on Hammill which is underneath the Beckford news.

Unless you want to wait for confirmation on the internet, because Charlie Webster's dress is absolutely fookin horrid.

[Captain...]

How do you know they won't be back up? You got a magic ball or something?

Because we have at least one other option in futacs. I have read about 5 comments saying that waghorn and schlupp is not sufficient back-up, failing to grasp that we have futacs as back-up too.

I would be quite happy to have 2 of those 3 on the bench, if beckford goes.

[Mark_w]

I'd be pissed off if he was sold, but on loan? What the **** are you doing? If Waghorn has a bigger part to play in our season than Beckford, then I really despair.

Well perhaps he wanted to sell him but no one was as stupid as Sven and was willing to take a risk on those wages, so we've agreed to let him go on loan with them paying the bulk of his wages and then they can make a choice at the end of the year. If Pearson felt we should get rid and no one wanted him permanently then what other option is there?

Not that Beckford has done particularly more than Waghorn to warrant that reaction.

[Captain...]

We should not sell beckford. Waggy and schlupp are not good enough. Knockers on the wing provides balance and width. Futacs is a target man. Nooge and beckford are very similar players and cannot play together. Vardy looks very good. Now Nooge and becks...... Nooge is the darling of the club and becks the villain. But let's be honest we are splitting hairs when talking about strike rate. Neither lived up to billing but I truly believe that both can next season, if becks had missed that header that Nooge did against Blackburn well he would have been burnt at the stake. I see becks and Nooge being equal replacements for one another this season. Both will, of given the chance, bag 15 goals or more.

I think that is the crux of the problem though Nugent and Beckford can't play together so what benefit is there in having both at the club on big wages. We can only field 11 players of which at most 2 will be strikers so we don't need 6 on the books, someone had to go and if wages come into it then it has to be either Nugent or Beckford.

[RonnieTodger]

Well perhaps he wanted to sell him but no one was as stupid as Sven and was willing to take a risk on those wages, so we've agreed to let him go on loan with them paying the bulk of his wages and then they can make a choice at the end of the year. If Pearson felt we should get rid and no one wanted him permanently then what other option is there?

Not that Beckford has done particularly more than Waghorn to warrant that reaction.

If he was so keen to get rid of him permanently, would he start him in the first two games? I don't think he would and it's not like we were short on strikers. Normally when Pearson has his ideas about who he wants to leave, then he doesnt use them (Pantsil, Fernandes, Johnson, Mills, Gallagher?). It's plain to see Beckford has more quality than Waghorn. I'm not saying Beckford would for certain, but Nugent and Vardy will not get us in to the top 6, being backed up by Waghorn and Futacs.

[Mark_w]

Nugent and Vardy will not get us in to the top 6, being backed up by Waghorn and Futacs.

Well Fryatt and Howard did being backed up by Waghorn and Kermorgant, so I don't see why not.

[ScouseFox]

Well Fryatt and Howard did being backed up by Waghorn and Kermorgant, so I don't see why not.

Times have changed.

[Mark_w]

Times have changed.

But Nugent/Vardy/Waghorn/Futacs is better than the four I listed. Nuge has proved that in recent times he can get around 15 goals in the Championship (That's as many as Fryatt got), if Waghorn can manage the same amount (He's not become a bad player overnight, given a run in the team he can) and Vardy or Futacs prove to be worth a few goals then our attack can easily produce a similar goals tally even in the Championship a few years on as we did when we finished 5th. They may not be big name players, but they are good enough for a side challenging for the Play-Offs in the Championship.

[ScouseFox]

But Nugent/Vardy/Waghorn/Futacs is better than the four I listed. Nuge has proved that in recent times he can get around 15 goals in the Championship (That's as many as Fryatt got), if Waghorn can manage the same amount (He's not become a bad player overnight, given a run in the team he can) and Vardy or Futacs prove to be worth a few goals then our attack can easily produce a similar goals tally even in the Championship a few years on as we did when we finished 5th. They may not be big name players, but they are good enough for a side challenging for the Play-Offs in the Championship.

No, he's become a bad player over 3 years.

I think if you believe those 4 strikers will fire us to promotion you should prepare for disappointment.

Nugent will almost inevitably get 12-15 goals and a handful of assists, he always does. Waghorn is horrific. Vardy has looked good thus far, him being a main striker I have no issues with. Futacs has already had two niggling injuries since he arrived a month ago and has barely scored a goal in English football.

More to the point, times have changed, we're not riding the crest of a wave like 09/10. We're not the most tight-knit squad in the league by miles like in 09/10 (far fúcking from it by the sounds of things). We're not an unknown quantity like in 09/10. We're nowhere near as defensively sound as we were in 09/10. So if our strikers scored the same amount of goals we won't get near the top 6 because those things contributed massively to our play off spot and we don't have those things anymore.

I'm not sure what point I'm even arguing here, but it's not 2009 and we need better strikers than Martyn flamin' Waghorn if the owners are going to be satisfied, if Nigel's going to keep his job and if we're going to finally go back up.

[Mark_w]

So after three league games you can say without a doubt we're not as strong defensivley and from one season played on the wing or off the bench and one injury hit season Waghorn has become crap. Ok we'll agree to disagree then, because I think you're silly to make that kind of judgement already.

[Collymore]

So after three league games you can say without a doubt we're not as strong defensivley and from one season played on the wing or off the bench and one injury hit season Waghorn has become crap. Ok we'll agree to disagree then, because I think you're silly to make that kind of judgement already.

I think it's safe to say Waghorn is crap mate.

[kingfox]

if Waghorn can manage the same amount (He's not become a bad player overnight, given a run in the team he can)

lol

Why can't you accept Mark, that Waghorn will not get a run in the team, especially after Tuesday's performance.

If he stays and starts another game for City, him and Pearson must be having an affair.

[Dan]

Waghorn isn't good enough, and will not get in over Vardy, Nugent, Futacs and Schlupp it's as simple as that.

If you like it or not, he hasn't always performed well under Pearson, he hasn't done anything at this club since his loan spell, he wasn't good under Sousa, Sven and Pearson 2nd spell. You can easily tell he isn't nowhere near as good as he was three season's ago now, he will not get another chance.

James is too similar you can easily tell it, we don't need another player like him at this football club, we should of brought in a defensive midfielder or attacking midfielder, not another out to out central midfielder, who is exactly like the one's we have, it makes no sense what so ever.

James is a defensive midfielder.

Although I've not been at all impressed with him unfortunately.

[Kitchandro]

Because we have at least one other option in futacs. I have read about 5 comments saying that waghorn and schlupp is not sufficient back-up, failing to grasp that we have futacs as back-up too.

I would be quite happy to have 2 of those 3 on the bench, if beckford goes.

Futacs isn't really backup as a goalscorer though, he's a completely different player.

[Kitchandro]

I think that is the crux of the problem though Nugent and Beckford can't play together so what benefit is there in having both at the club on big wages. We can only field 11 players of which at most 2 will be strikers so we don't need 6 on the books, someone had to go and if wages come into it then it has to be either Nugent or Beckford.

But that's not really true at all, they formed a very good partnership in the second half of the season.

[Dan]

Marko Futacs is pure plan B to bring on if we're not finding a breakthrough on the floor.

If we turn to 100% hoofball (we hoof it occasionally but a lot less) then Futacs will be chucked on.

[adam]

Madness. Loaning out one of our players and probably paying some of his wage still to a club who are eyeing up promotion like us. DJ campbell anyone?

[Babylon]

But that's not really true at all, they formed a very good partnership in the second half of the season.

I think very good is stretching it a bit.