Harry - LCFC Posted 16 January 2013 Posted 16 January 2013 You keep telling yourself that. St Ledger is the better player for me, I get the feeling Pearson feels the same. Whitbread's hoofing simply isn't conducive with our style of play and neither are his rash fouls and yellow cards (one every four games). I'd be very surprised if Whitbread gets picked ahead of St Ledger when they both return. EDIT: Just done the maths, according to my calculations Whitbread has the highest number of fouls per game, the highest number of yellow cards per game and our only red card. The figures were obtained from the OS so I'm not sure how accurate they are but they aren't going to be too far wrong, does suggest Whitbread isn't the cleanest player.
Deucalion Posted 16 January 2013 Posted 16 January 2013 Valter Birsa is on a season long loan. http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/valter-birsa/profil/spieler_26105.html Can he be recalled from a season long loan? I suppose it depends on whether Torino have paid a fee for the loan?
Mark_w Posted 16 January 2013 Posted 16 January 2013 St Ledger is the better player for me, I get the feeling Pearson feels the same. Whitbread's hoofing simply isn't conducive with our style of play and neither are his rash fouls and yellow cards (one every four games). I'd be very surprised if Whitbread gets picked ahead of St Ledger when they both return. EDIT: Just done the maths, according to my calculations Whitbread has the highest number of fouls per game, the highest number of yellow cards per game and our only red card. The figures were obtained from the OS so I'm not sure how accurate they are but they aren't going to be too far wrong, does suggest Whitbread isn't the cleanest player. It's got nothing to do with which one any of us think is the better defender and personally I don't have any strong feeling either way. But Sean St. Ledger was about to leave last January under Pearson's management. Whitbread was his signing, brought in on a free. Heck early on in the season St. Ledger wasn't getting in ahead of Liam Moore. Can't see him dropping Whitbread for SSL myself.
kingfox Posted 16 January 2013 Posted 16 January 2013 Heck early on in the season St. Ledger wasn't getting in ahead of Liam Moore. Because he was injured.
Ric Flair Posted 16 January 2013 Posted 16 January 2013 Valter Birsa is on a season long loan. http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/valter-birsa/profil/spieler_26105.html Can he be recalled from a season long loan? I suppose it depends on whether Torino have paid a fee for the loan? Wikipedia suggests he's not played many games for Torino this season so perhaps they want to terminate it. It's probably a load of horse muck anyway.
Carl the Llama Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Possible target for City, Adam Smith, full back whos loan spell at Millwall from Spurs finishes at the end of January. Oh how they we love us if we signed hom.... ;0) I doubt it will happen but if it does it'll be downright spooky since I brought that very guy into my FM Leicester squad earlier today. Incidentally I beat Nige to bringing De Laet into the squad on FM 2012. We got promoted in his first full season with us.
Harry - LCFC Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 It's got nothing to do with which one any of us think is the better defender and personally I don't have any strong feeling either way. But Sean St. Ledger was about to leave last January under Pearson's management. Whitbread was his signing, brought in on a free. Heck early on in the season St. Ledger wasn't getting in ahead of Liam Moore. Can't see him dropping Whitbread for SSL myself. I do have to point out that SSL was injured in early in the season, that's why Moore was starting - he and Morgan were our only fit CBs. I agree with you when you say that Pearson probably intended Whitbread to be in the 1st eleven when he signed him. Injuries have clearly prevented this from happening but I also believe Pearson may have changed his mind about who he feels is the better player - St Ledger appears to get on very well with the manager now while Whitbread hasn't been as good as most expected. Now FTers are by no means experts on this issue but they do have some understanding of the game and most seem to think that St Ledger is the better player so I don't think it's unfair to suggest St Ledger has been the better of the two so far. I just think it's a case of Pearson changing his mind, Whitbread probably was supposed to be one of our 1st choice CBs but he hasn't been the player Nigel thought he would be - that's how I gauge the situation, whether my reading of our manager's mind is correct or not we shall have to wait and see!
kingfox Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Nice to see Mark shut up when I told him St Ledger was injured. Your brain must not be functioning properly, Doctors for you.
Guest Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 You keep telling yourself that. +1 You were telling me that they only signed Keane on for an additional month because SSL was going back into the starting lineup. He's bench material, accept it now or later it doesn't matter but eventually you'll have to accept it.
Babylon Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 How do you know that they're not good enough and that other youngsters coming in will be? I don't. But I'm not the manager of Leicester City and I don't see these players play against other professionals. On the other hand Nigel Pearson is the manager of Leicester and he seems them play every day. Pearson was a quality defender, and clearly knows what makes a good defender considering his record in getting players and teams to defend well. So if he decides that Keane is better than Taft at this moment in time, do you know what... I'm going to take his word for it over someone on the internet, who thinks we're better off playing our own kids without ever having seen them play.
Guest Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 I don't. But I'm not the manager of Leicester City and I don't see these players play against other professionals. On the other hand Nigel Pearson is the manager of Leicester and he sees them play every day. Pearson was a quality defender, and clearly knows what makes a good defender considering his record in getting players and teams to defend well. So if he decides that Keane is better than SSL at this moment in time, do you know what... I'm going to take his word for it over someone on the internet.
Bettsj2 Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 But we havent lost a game when SSL played this season. Dont you get it? If SSL plays, we will never lose another game. Like, ever.
Guest Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 But we havent lost a game when SSL played this season. Dont you get it? If SSL plays, we will never lose another game. Like, ever. Yeah, like last year
Bert Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Yeah, like last year Forgot St.Ledger played every game on his own in defence.
TrentFox Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 This should be called Twitter Links Or maybe call it "the same old people spouting the same old rehearsed arguments that they have adulterated every other thread with as there aren't any worthwhile links to talk about" thread ?? Catchy, don't you think ?
Bayfox Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 This should be called Twitter Links No that would be to similar to Chris Browns website, Twat-her
AKCJ Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Or maybe call it "the same old people spouting the same old rehearsed arguments that they have adulterated every other thread with as there aren't any worthwhile links to talk about" thread ?? Catchy, don't you think ? Or the one twitter link every 5 pages from some randomer who has picked up something from football-rumours.com thread?
dmayne7 Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 I don't. But I'm not the manager of Leicester City and I don't see these players play against other professionals. On the other hand Nigel Pearson is the manager of Leicester and he seems them play every day. Pearson was a quality defender, and clearly knows what makes a good defender considering his record in getting players and teams to defend well. So if he decides that Keane is better than Taft at this moment in time, do you know what... I'm going to take his word for it over someone on the internet, who thinks we're better off playing our own kids without ever having seen them play. Just so you know Babs, I wasn't suggesting that Taft is better but clearly as you say, we can't really pass judgement on a player we've yet to see play a competitive match and a player who has only played a handful of games aswell. I'm happy with the signing of Keane. I think he'll add a lot to the squad but I think people are putting a little too much pressure on him to keep up his very high level of performance. If he can deal with that, then he is going to be one hell of a player.
kingfox Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Why would we want to sell St Ledger, when he was in great form before he got injured. His presence kick started our season, then Whitbread tried to fook it up again. FIF you are being so idiotic, you are one massive joke.
Babylon Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 His presence kick started our season, then Whitbread tried to fook it up again. Oh please.
Mark_w Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 His presence kick started our season, then Whitbread tried to fook it up again. Yeah he's really transformed our season in the six games he's started. You know who else wasn't part of a losing side in his first six league starts this season, Martyn Waghorn, did you think he was the messiah? Or do the criteria just alter depending on how highly the all knowing kinfox rates the player before they've played a game for Leicester City?
kingfox Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Oh please. You fell for my sarcastic ways But still at the end of the day, we haven't lost a game when we have started St Ledger or Keane, yet we went on a massive inconsistent slump with Whitbread in the team. We went four games without a win when he was in the team, losing two of those games against Palace and Watford. Then it seemed we were getting back on track, only to put in poor performances against Leeds, Barnsley, Millwall and Cardiff four games which Whitbread started. I'm sorry but when some idiots think Whitbread will get in over St Ledger, is a joke in my opinion, was in great form when he started, plus he is the better technical defender.
kingfox Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Yeah he's really transformed our season in the six games he's started. You know who else wasn't part of a losing side in his first six league starts this season, Martyn Waghorn, did you think he was the messiah? Or do the criteria just alter depending on how highly the all knowing kinfox rates the player before they've played a game for Leicester City? Why do you have to bring Waghorn into everything?
Mark_w Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Why do you have to bring Waghorn into everything? I switch it around a bit, sometimes it's Beckford. Still it's interesting that you'd rather point that out than respond to the comment. What's the difference between the two situations? Why is it that one is incredible because of the results the team got in their first six games, yet at the time you were saying the other shouldn't start another game for Leicester. I think it'd just be interesting to hear how you formulated those opinions, especially since when I used a similar argument to simply defend a player against your criticism I was accused of being or bumming the player in question.
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