demon_dog Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 Following the defeat at Peterborough and last nights dismal display, plus a poorish showing against Wolves. I wonder are we beginning to ask too much of the players we have. Most of the team last night I felt seemed somewhat jaded, Nugent especially had a shocker. Is it that every league match we play (I know last night was a cup game thanks!) the players are under so much pressure. Pearson has made it quite clear that his one aim this season above all other is to get us promoted thus fulfilling the owners wishes. Do you feel that the players can cope with this pressure week in week out. We have such a small squad that we do not have the luxury of rotating them to give them a break. We all have seen that our so called reserve players do not seem to be good enough. As a result of this I wonder if the next few games will see us falter and lose precious points. Thoughts.
Harry - LCFC Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 No. Blip in process. Will fvck Charlton over followed by Blackpool, Blackburn and whoever comes after that. 2nd place secured once more after Hull have looked after it for us for a few weeks.
Mark_w Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 Let's wait and see shall we, talking about hypothetical results is absolutely pointless.
Out Foxed Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 Let's wait and see shall we, talking about hypothetical results is absolutely pointless. There goes 50% of FT discussion
muzzy1981 Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 We need to not get too carried away it is only one league loss. Although I think our strength in depth is questionable looking at the last few performances. Good job we have a fully fit squad, which will hopefully get us over the line
Grewks Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 I have said it all season and will say it again - We will not get promoted. Feel free to quote me if we achieve promotion this year, but we won't. We actually have one of the weakest squads in the league. For next season, we need to add in-depth quality to our midfield and strikeforce like we have in defence. Past Knocky, drinky and james we are very average. Dyer is all pace, king is the least effective central midfielder i have seen, and marshall has been poor all season. Past wood and nuge we have three strikers incapable of scoring 10 goals, let alone the 12-15 goals we would require from them if nuge and wood wouldn't both score 20. Some mocked me when I said Peterborough had a much better attacking threat than us, but they really do. We have only nuge and wood capable of over 10 goals. They have boyd, tomlin, gayle and mccann. There have been many other outrageous comments from others, e.g. babylon, who believed we shouldn't buy more players as our small squad mentality is working. Well even though we are third in the league, there is clearly room for improvement. Cardiff and hull both invested in January, despite cardiff being 10 points clear at the time, they brought in another striker, whilst hull brought in 4 players i can remember off the top of my head (brady + meyler on permanents, as well as the 2 egyptians). Hopefully over the summer we can get rid of beckford/danns/futacs/gally/wellens (probably even vardy and waghorn), and actually replace these 5-7 players with even a minimum of just 3-4 which might actually offer something to our own campaign, rather than huddersfields or our reserves. This is where our problem lies, and must be addressed over the summer.
cc_star Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 Following the defeat at Peterborough and last nights dismal display, plus a poorish showing against Wolves. I wonder are we beginning to ask too much of the players we have. Most of the team last night I felt seemed somewhat jaded, Nugent especially had a shocker. Is it that every league match we play (I know last night was a cup game thanks!) the players are under so much pressure. Pearson has made it quite clear that his one aim this season above all other is to get us promoted thus fulfilling the owners wishes. Do you feel that the players can cope with this pressure week in week out. We have such a small squad that we do not have the luxury of rotating them to give them a break. We all have seen that our so called reserve players do not seem to be good enough. As a result of this I wonder if the next few games will see us falter and lose precious points. Thoughts. Do you feel that the players can cope with this pressure week in week out. Yes... the players play with a smile on their faces, and we generally play free flowing football, team spirit gets us through difficult phases, games like the Posh defeat happen... usually at Posh where we lose regularly. I can't read too much into the cup game, I'm angry at many things about it, but it bares no reflection on the next league game. We have such a small squad that we do not have the luxury of rotating them to give them a break. Yes we do, we've rotated in all our cup games this season. I'd sooner have seen experimentation with formation and 4411 or 4231 We all have seen that our so called reserve players do not seem to be good enough. Not sure about that... there seemed to be no urgency from the manager... downwards. Wellens & Gally seemed to care the most, we have a first 11, just like every other team and then we have players who aren't as good as the first 11, just like every other team. Look at ManCity... Kompany & Yoyo out and their half a billion investment is bollocksed. As a result of this I wonder if the next few games will see us falter and lose precious points. Wonder away... if any of us knew what would happen, we'd be multi-millionaires and barred from every bookie in the land.
DB11 Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 So this is what it's like to have been Cardiff fans in the previous years...
Libertine Dream Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 Thread after thread saying pretty much the same thing. This place is so tiresome every time we lose, earlier in the season every time we lost it was because the midfield was bullied, now it's a 'lack of depth'. Might stick to reading other team forums every time we lose.
squidsworth Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 Firstly, last night was a disgrace - any neutral that watched it will tell you how bad a game it was, its not just our fans moaning about it! And Huddersfield were absolutely awful for the main part but still they beat us. Its not that we lost thats the problem though, its the way in which we lost it that is. I also dont buy that the team are jaded, most had a 9 day break before the p'boro game. If these breaks are so important then why is it that whenever we have one, we invariably end up playing shit for several games afterwards! Finally, are we on the slippery slope, is it all doom and gloom? Probably not - we do however seem to be a different team without Wood and our sudden down turn seems to have coincided with him being out - just like our up turn in fortunes coincided with him arriving. From now on in we cannot afford the odd win in 12. Everything is tightening up at the top and we will be in danger of missing the play offs if we dont at least sustain decent form from here on in. Hull could easily be 6 points clear of us in second on Sat, and games in hand do not equate to points especially when one of those games is Cardiff away!
Corky Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 We aren't jaded or tired, we just couldn't be bothered last night.
The Blur Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 Finally, a thread that asks a sensible question instead of a knee-jerk thread. I was wondering about that as well- it seem that we go to extremes- from thrashing teams to a three or four game winless run then back to mauling teams. However, our previous losing streaks, we usually played well and generally was unlucky (Blackburn,Wolves etc back in autumn) I know this is hardly a streak but our recent performances had been lifeless. I believe this is an issue that is worth worrying about.
MGLCFC Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 This is my own opinion and I said it in the transfer window - Forest were roughly in the same position as us at the end of Jan 2 seasons ago. They had 3 games in hand were only a couple of points off auto's. They faded badly and just like us failed to secure enough cover in January. I just hope NP assesses the squad and I say squad, and makes one or two loan signings pretty quickly. This is not a knee jerk reaction to a couple of defeats, but the realisation that we have 13 or 14 very good players, but the back up is somewhat average, if you want automatic promotion.
Fox92 Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 No. I just think we haven't played to our usual standard that we have seen throughout the season, in the past two/three games. This happens to most, if not all, teams in the World. I believe Nigel will turn us around, as he always does, starting on Tuesday against Charlton Athletic.
Free Falling Foxes Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 Could be that at least half the team realise that if we go up, they'll be on their way.
Captain... Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 Who knows, I will tell you who, future Captain Shrapnel, but until he invents time travel he is not available to tell you, so why not let future Captain Shrapnel and future demon_dog worry about it, because present you and me have got a cracking against Charlton coming up.
Leicesterpool Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 To be honest I don't think one or two lads involved on tuesday weren't that bothered, the trouble with a cup run it means more fixtures plus lot more midweek games. You could say last year we missed out on the play offs because of our cup run. I agree in some ways we're bit of form but the only way to put that right is a couple of signings in the loan window, a winger and a striker is needed i think.
blueharmie Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 I have said it all season and will say it again - We will not get promoted. Feel free to quote me if we achieve promotion this year, but we won't. We actually have one of the weakest squads in the league. For next season, we need to add in-depth quality to our midfield and strikeforce like we have in defence. Past Knocky, drinky and james we are very average. Dyer is all pace, king is the least effective central midfielder i have seen, and marshall has been poor all season. Past wood and nuge we have three strikers incapable of scoring 10 goals, let alone the 12-15 goals we would require from them if nuge and wood wouldn't both score 20. Some mocked me when I said Peterborough had a much better attacking threat than us, but they really do. We have only nuge and wood capable of over 10 goals. They have boyd, tomlin, gayle and mccann. There have been many other outrageous comments from others, e.g. babylon, who believed we shouldn't buy more players as our small squad mentality is working. Well even though we are third in the league, there is clearly room for improvement. Cardiff and hull both invested in January, despite cardiff being 10 points clear at the time, they brought in another striker, whilst hull brought in 4 players i can remember off the top of my head (brady + meyler on permanents, as well as the 2 egyptians). Hopefully over the summer we can get rid of beckford/danns/futacs/gally/wellens (probably even vardy and waghorn), and actually replace these 5-7 players with even a minimum of just 3-4 which might actually offer something to our own campaign, rather than huddersfields or our reserves. This is where our problem lies, and must be addressed over the summer. YOUR A PENIS.
Grewks Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 YOUR A PENIS. Why because you know I am right? Peterborough have a better range of attacking options than us, and they are bottom of the league. My criticism of this does not go towards Pearson, but to Sven and the Thais. Thanks to the swede and the ladyboys, we now have a decent manager in charge who cannot actually spend a lot to improve the sqaud, because two rich businessmen thought it would be a good idea to spend near £15-20 million pounds on average players (combining wages and transfer fees), who since leaving have either joined huddersfield or even better, quit fooball.
inckley fox Posted 13 February 2013 Posted 13 February 2013 I agree with the idea that there's a problem with the back-up options, but I think you've gone over the top with these four points. We actually have one of the weakest squads in the league. (1) Clearly we've not got the weakest squad in the league. You could make a competent Championship side out of the players who missed out in the Wolves game, when we were last close to full strength: Logan, Moore, Whitbread, St Ledger, Schlupp, Gallagher, James, Wellens, Dyer, Waghorn, Vardy. And that's ignoring the players who are out on loan. Where you're right is in saying that we haven't coped well with making changes recently. This is down to (a) the lack of fitness among the likes of Wellens and James. We'd have the same problem if we called on Moore or St. Ledger right now. (b) The poor form of Vardy and Dyer. © The fact that certain players simply take too long to find form - weeks rather than minutes - and make for poor impact substitutes (Waghorn springs to mind). In terms of players in the current first team squad who have shown themselves over time to be too poor, only Gallagher stands out for me. I haven't seen enough of Futacs yet to be sure, but the early signs with him (and, perhaps, Vardy) aren't good. Past Knocky, drinky and james we are very average. Dyer is all pace, king is the least effective central midfielder i have seen, and marshall has been poor all season. (2) We play a four man midfield and you've named three of them there; which isn't bad going. As for the fourth, Marshall has scored five goals and got eight assists (six in the league), the most for the team, so he's clearly played his part. The second most assists have come from Dyer, another player you singled out, while if the least effective midfielder you've ever seen is King (who scored ten in this league three years ago, and fifteen two years ago) then I wonder what you're looking for in a player. Some mocked me when I said Peterborough had a much better attacking threat than us, but they really do. We have only nuge and wood capable of over 10 goals. They have boyd, tomlin, gayle and mccann. (3) Peterborough have a better attacking threat than us? None of their players have scored as many as Nugent or Wood this season. Knockaert has eight goals so far (seven in the league) and I'd be surprised if neither Marshall nor he made ten goals. As for Peterborough, Gayle has scored seven times at this level and not once in the past five games. Tomlin has six league goals and has never hit more than ten at this level (unlike King and Waghorn) or in League One. McCann has never hit ten goals at this level and it's unlikely to happen this year either. Boyd only managed it once, when Peterborough went down three years ago. Well even though we are third in the league, there is clearly room for improvement. Cardiff and hull both invested in January, despite cardiff being 10 points clear at the time, they brought in another striker, whilst hull brought in 4 players i can remember off the top of my head (brady + meyler on permanents, as well as the 2 egyptians). (4) We also did business in January! We signed a player who has scored six league goals for us and we extended Keane's loan. I agree we need more, especially if Schlupp isn't coming back, but a scattergun transfer policy like Sven's / Allen's / Levein's / Adams' is the last thing we want. A couple of tweaks, if they're the right tweaks, would be better.
The Doctor Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 I'm tempted to lay the blame at wellens door - I don't think it's a coincidence this stutter has come as he's returned to the fold (the original RD4 game), his playing style is completely at odds with the way the rest of the team has been playing.
Libertine Dream Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 Why because you know I am right? Peterborough have a better range of attacking options than us, and they are bottom of the league. My criticism of this does not go towards Pearson, but to Sven and the Thais. Thanks to the swede and the ladyboys, we now have a decent manager in charge who cannot actually spend a lot to improve the sqaud, because two rich businessmen thought it would be a good idea to spend near £15-20 million pounds on average players (combining wages and transfer fees), who since leaving have either joined huddersfield or even better, quit fooball. Now Ive seen some tripe written on here but that eclipses anything ever
Oxfordfox83 Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 I have said it all season and will say it again - We will not get promoted. Feel free to quote me if we achieve promotion this year, but we won't. We actually have one of the weakest squads in the league. For next season, we need to add in-depth quality to our midfield and strikeforce like we have in defence. Past Knocky, drinky and james we are very average. Dyer is all pace, king is the least effective central midfielder i have seen, and marshall has been poor all season. Past wood and nuge we have three strikers incapable of scoring 10 goals, let alone the 12-15 goals we would require from them if nuge and wood wouldn't both score 20. Some mocked me when I said Peterborough had a much better attacking threat than us, but they really do. We have only nuge and wood capable of over 10 goals. They have boyd, tomlin, gayle and mccann. There have been many other outrageous comments from others, e.g. babylon, who believed we shouldn't buy more players as our small squad mentality is working. Well even though we are third in the league, there is clearly room for improvement. Cardiff and hull both invested in January, despite cardiff being 10 points clear at the time, they brought in another striker, whilst hull brought in 4 players i can remember off the top of my head (brady + meyler on permanents, as well as the 2 egyptians). Hopefully over the summer we can get rid of beckford/danns/futacs/gally/wellens (probably even vardy and waghorn), and actually replace these 5-7 players with even a minimum of just 3-4 which might actually offer something to our own campaign, rather than huddersfields or our reserves. This is where our problem lies, and must be addressed over the summer. Literally every post you write is drivel. "We actually have one of the weakest squads in the league." Have a word with yourself, and make it a good one...
CountesthorpeFox Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 I have said it all season and will say it again - We will not get promoted. Feel free to quote me if we achieve promotion this year, but we won't. We actually have one of the weakest squads in the league. For next season, we need to add in-depth quality to our midfield and strikeforce like we have in defence. Past Knocky, drinky and james we are very average. Dyer is all pace, king is the least effective central midfielder i have seen, and marshall has been poor all season. Past wood and nuge we have three strikers incapable of scoring 10 goals, let alone the 12-15 goals we would require from them if nuge and wood wouldn't both score 20. Some mocked me when I said Peterborough had a much better attacking threat than us, but they really do. We have only nuge and wood capable of over 10 goals. They have boyd, tomlin, gayle and mccann. There have been many other outrageous comments from others, e.g. babylon, who believed we shouldn't buy more players as our small squad mentality is working. Well even though we are third in the league, there is clearly room for improvement. Cardiff and hull both invested in January, despite cardiff being 10 points clear at the time, they brought in another striker, whilst hull brought in 4 players i can remember off the top of my head (brady + meyler on permanents, as well as the 2 egyptians). Hopefully over the summer we can get rid of beckford/danns/futacs/gally/wellens (probably even vardy and waghorn), and actually replace these 5-7 players with even a minimum of just 3-4 which might actually offer something to our own campaign, rather than huddersfields or our reserves. This is where our problem lies, and must be addressed over the summer. Congratulations, your post has infuriated me to the point I feel I have to post. Its OK to have your own opinions, but try and substantiate them in any way shape or form. We have scored the third most amount of goals this season in the league. We have conceded the least. We have the best goal difference. We are third. Therefore a relatively safe conclusion would be: We have a better attack than Peterborough, who are 24th and have scored 9 less goals.
MANFACE Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 Thread after thread saying pretty much the same thing. This place is so tiresome every time we lose, earlier in the season every time we lost it was because the midfield was bullied, now it's a 'lack of depth'. Might stick to reading other team forums every time we lose. Agreed, I'm getting pissed off with it too.
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