StanSP Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 each to their own i guess but i know id rather have someone slide tackling me with their boot the height of the ball rather than someone going off the ground with both feet and stamping towards the ball with their studs. Don't get me wrong I'd want someone slide tackling me with their boots at the height of the ball. I just don't think Okore's actions were 'far more dangerous'.
Guest ttfn Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Tbf I thought Ulloa and Knockaert were just as guilty as any of the Villa players yesterday when it comes to play-acting. As I said earlier in the thread there was a genuine case for Clark getting 2 yellow cards in the counter-attack which led to Ulloa's fluffed chance. First he wipes out James on the half way line then gets up and chops Knockaert down just outside the box. I'm not even sure which one he got booked for, they were both as bad as each other.
DB11 Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Hmm... Is there a refereeing scenario where you consider giving a yellow card for a harsh foul at first, then notice an immediate fracas involving the same player - so instead of giving two yellows, you just give a straight red? Because that's what the James incident looks like to me. The referee waits for all the kerfuffle to pipe down, then adds up one foul together with another. In other words, I'm trying to apply logic to an otherwise heavily-discussed affair. The reactions on here are 50-50, it seems. No
Grewks Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 How are you meant tackle these days? If he goes with the side of his foot, he will more than likely miss the ball and take the player out because the tackle would be slower as he has to adjust his body position. Yes his studs were up, but he didn't lunge in off the ground. The only way he could get the ball was the way he tried. Was Should of been sent off for his two footed lunge in the first half though.
BoyJones Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Just watched an Arsenal player do a studs up sliding tackle, ref didn't bat an eyelid. Where's the consistency? James IMO has been well hard done to. I think the lad will now miss three games, I hope NP gave the ref 0/10.
broughtonblue Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Thought it was a straight red live, nothing on motd to make me change my mind
LAprice_ Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Hmm... Is there a refereeing scenario where you consider giving a yellow card for a harsh foul at first, then notice an immediate fracas involving the same player - so instead of giving two yellows, you just give a straight red? Because that's what the James incident looks like to me. The referee waits for all the kerfuffle to pipe down, then adds up one foul together with another. In other words, I'm trying to apply logic to an otherwise heavily-discussed affair. The reactions on here are 50-50, it seems. Sounds a bit like Paul Konchesky's ridiculous sending off at Villa Park...
Jfox Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Can't really have any complaints, without the reaction from Okore and Clark he might have got away with a yellow. Clark was always going to be sent off, he's lucky he was already on a yellow, it gave Oliver an easy way out. IMO I thought Michael Oliver was pretty good today and got most decisions correct, other than perhaps he may have given us a penalty for the foul on Hammond but I wouldn't say that was nailed on.
filbertway Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Joke decision which proves that you aren't allowed to slide tackle. Said it many a time but I'm convinced you could watch any slide tackle now and you'll have some claiming for a red card. Well you can, literally the only two types frowned upon are straight through the back and going into a challenge with your studs showing face on.
ScouseFox Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 i'm amazed so many people are so angry at this. surely it's just biased? if this was sunderland vs west brom or something and cattermole (or anyone) had gone in like that nobody would've been saying anything about a refereeing mistake, just a bad looking tackle. the whole aftermath is just pathetic and all caused by that ****ing clark ballbag.
Robin JD Popley Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Okore can get ****ed as well. Spent the entire game fouling Ulloa and got away with it. Sanchez might as well have brought juggling balls. He had the clown haircut and clown performance. Tonight in the Big Top; "Coco the clown and his accomplice - Alan 'The Nutter' Hutton".
katieakita Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Can see why the red was given but would have been interesting to see what the ref would have done if James had stayed down, okore,s challenge was just as bad
David Hankey Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 As far as I could see, with the benefit of Motd, both players missed the ball. Clarke inadvisedly thought he'd have a go and fully deserved his red card. You can see why Vanilla are in the trouble they're in, lack of goals, lack of talent and heading only one way no wonder some of their players so easily lose their heads.
Durnerz Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Clear red for me, got a piece of the ball but the trailing leg hung out too far and caught the player above the ball.No doubt the F.A will chuck in a 'failing to control players and staff' sanction for good measure, they love nothing better than a good fine.
dedlock Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Can see why the red was given but would have been interesting to see what the ref would have done if James had stayed down, okore,s challenge was just as bad Agreed, at the time it looked like a 50-50 challenge. TV replays show both players went in foot raised, studs showing. Bearing in mind the Ref let similar challenges go,what might have happened had Okore not reacted as he did or had Clark not lost it?
st albans fox Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 . Bearing in mind the Ref let similar challenges go,what might have happened had Okore not reacted as he did or had Clark not lost it? Villa would have taken a quick free kick and no cards would have been given. It's purely Clarks reaction and okore staying down that cause the issue and give the ref a decision to make. Both players ended up going passed the ball (ok ore with no contact on it). Funnily enough, if James had not reacted after the incident (pretty difficult when you've been elbowed and then almost attacked) then he probably could have appealed on the basis that both players were as guilty and okore got nothing. Given his aggressive reaction during the melee and around the tunnel (yes he was provoked both times), he has no chance of a successful appeal. Infact, he could face a further charge (as could Clark and both clubs)
C.J Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 How are you meant tackle these days? If he goes with the side of his foot, he will more than likely miss the ball and take the player out because the tackle would be slower as he has to adjust his body position. Yes his studs were up, but he didn't lunge in off the ground. The only way he could get the ball was the way he tried. Was Should of been sent off for his two footed lunge in the first half though. Also you're more likely to injure yourself going in without your studs showing. Okore's reaction didn't help the situation. He had a shit game anyway.
MrMallory Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 I'm not sure whether anyone has already mentioned this, but how can James and Clark both have been sent off? If James got sent off for the tackle on Okore then wouldn't that end that phase of play - meaning that Clark's red card became redundant? Unless the referee is unsure of the rules (which does not look far off from his performance on Saturday), or it is me who is misunderstood, I think he sent James off for his reaction and then later changed his mind. Either way, only one of them should have been sent off, depending on who you deem made the original foul.
The Doctor Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 I'm not sure whether anyone has already mentioned this, but how can James and Clark both have been sent off? If James got sent off for the tackle on Okore then wouldn't that end that phase of play - meaning that Clark's red card became redundant? Unless the referee is unsure of the rules (which does not look far off from his performance on Saturday), or it is me who is misunderstood, I think he sent James off for his reaction and then later changed his mind. Either way, only one of them should have been sent off, depending on who you deem made the original foul. Doesn't matter that the ref had blown his whistle, when the kerfuffle started, Clark was guilty of an offence. Just because the whistles gone doesn't mean you can get away with an elbow to the back of the head, or sticking your head in on someone.
Robo61 Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 I'm not sure whether anyone has already mentioned this, but how can James and Clark both have been sent off? If James got sent off for the tackle on Okore then wouldn't that end that phase of play - meaning that Clark's red card became redundant? Unless the referee is unsure of the rules (which does not look far off from his performance on Saturday), or it is me who is misunderstood, I think he sent James off for his reaction and then later changed his mind. Either way, only one of them should have been sent off, depending on who you deem made the original foul. It is plainly you that is unsure of the rules!
MrMallory Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 Doesn't matter that the ref had blown his whistle, when the kerfuffle started, Clark was guilty of an offence. Just because the whistles gone doesn't mean you can get away with an elbow to the back of the head, or sticking your head in on someone. I think I am probably teniously trying to excuse James from getting a ban
Spudulike Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 Agreed, at the time it looked like a 50-50 challenge. TV replays show both players went in foot raised, studs showing. Bearing in mind the Ref let similar challenges go,what might have happened had Okore not reacted as he did or had Clark not lost it? So, if the City players had been the first to react to the 50-50 tackle then the Villa player would've been the one to get the red card ?? In my opinion, the ref would've let it go or possibly a yellow for the one he felt gave away the foul. The reaction of Clark and his mates was the catalyst for the red card. But Villa do have a history of this. Perhaps they need to channel some of that 'passion' into their football.... they might even score an away goal.
Corky Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 Looking at it last night, it was high although not at real speed so it probably was a red.
Spudulike Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 FA confirmed it will be 3 games. He'll miss Man U then
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