Expand the stadium? The poll

[Bayfox]

2 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Coventry had a casino put in their new ground. It's clearly done wonders for them.

Yeah but our owners love a spin or game of cards. Think of it as giving back what they have already earnt  just giving back those dividends.

[Bunyip]

6 hours ago, Bayfox said:

And look at forest now.

 

As for becoming a top 6 club do you really deep down believe that? We a a club comparable in size to forest, wolves, Sheffield weds at a push. There's loads of clubs our size who all believe the same thing. Newcastle and Leeds would class themselves as bigger.

 

Be honest. Trying to crack the below list is hard enough.

 

Man Utd.  Huge club global appeal.

Man city. Money money money

Chelsea. Money and a bit more money. London based.

Arsenal. Well ran regular top 4. London based.

 

Then add Liverpool and spurs in the mix. One with huge tradition and world appeal one with London as a perk.

 

So anyone who finishes 7th has had a decent season and that can be anyone from Everton or Stoke to Newcastle.

 

I agree on and off the pitch we missed a trick this summer. But despite holding on to nearly all our players we are showing how difficult it is too repeat such a level of success. Fergie was a master at rebuilding teams. But even he got it wrong on occasions. But he had the benefit of money and the brand.

 

Like it or not we are just Leicester city look how hard we found it to do business in the summer even as champions. 

 

Our income is based around the TV not matchday attendances. The only reasons arsenal and spurs and maybe Chelsea one day are expanding is because they can make millions from 1 matchday. We will never get close to being able to do that.

 

Look at man city. Always well supported at maine road. And yes average gates maybe up. But they can't sell out week in week out and they hardly need the matchday income with the backing they have.

 

I guess we will have to agree to disagree but I hated out ground with 22k in I'd hate a 37k with 15k of empty seats.

 

What we have now is sustainable thanks to the owners. But we nearly lost it all once upon a time. Wasn't that long ago either.

Liverpool were a second division outfit until the early sixties living in the shadow of Everton.  It's small mindedness that holds Leicester back . Speculate to accumulate. Keep thinking we cannot be a top six side and we won't be.   It's a good job our owners haven't got your inferiority complex or yes indeed we would still be a Forest or Wolves.

[Spudulike]

11 hours ago, Bunyip said:

Liverpool were a second division outfit until the early sixties living in the shadow of Everton.  It's small mindedness that holds Leicester back . Speculate to accumulate. Keep thinking we cannot be a top six side and we won't be.   It's a good job our owners haven't got your inferiority complex or yes indeed we would still be a Forest or Wolves.

It's in our DNA. Always the same.

[Bayfox]

11 hours ago, Bunyip said:

Liverpool were a second division outfit until the early sixties living in the shadow of Everton.  It's small mindedness that holds Leicester back . Speculate to accumulate. Keep thinking we cannot be a top six side and we won't be.   It's a good job our owners haven't got your inferiority complex or yes indeed we would still be a Forest or Wolves.

Ffs Liverpool then went on to win titles galore at home and in Europe.

 

It's a totally different era now days. All based around commercialism and money. Our owners for a brand that comes from a retail background are terrible at the commercial and marketing side of our football club. Our brand may have grown a bit last year but we aren't a Liverpool. 

 

And like it or not we could go back to being a florist or wolves on current evidence much quicker than anticipated. One bad decision can send you back there. Look at what happened to all o'neills good work.

 

You need to make your mind up. You talk about 37k as being needed. But that's neither here nor there. 5k extra doesn't make us a big club.  It puts us in a bracket with Leeds, Sheffield weds etc who you have already dismissed earlier in the thread.

 

And still behind the likes of Newcastle and Sunderland. 

 

It certainly doesn't make us a Liverpool or man Utd does it.

 

Like it or not top 10 is as much as most clubs can expect to achieve now. As pointed out even with the champions tag and champions league football we found it hard this summer why?

 

because we don't have a rich history of winning things, we don't have a brand name and whilst there's some lovely parts of the county I doubt the grey lady rates highly on a list of top restaurants in the UK and a night in the globe would be high up a professional footballers list of things to do as night out, we don't have London or Manchester lifestyle to offer.

 

Whilst I'd love Leicester to grow. Become successful on a regular basis. After all this season has become one of the hardest to watch ever after our taste of the good life.

 

I just don't get the obsession with a few more seats and I'm wondering if the owners are starting to think the same for an extra 3million a season.

 

I guess if we do expand and get 40k week in week out for years to come. You can come back to me.

 

It's just my opinion. I don't see where the extra demand is coming from everyone's argument seems to be that few people don't even try to get tickets. Well if they are that lazy. Why the **** are they gonna want to go week in week out all of a sudden.

[Spiritwalker]

It's true that match day revenue is a far smaller % of overall income 

these days, however it is still important otherwise clubs would only

charge £10 for a ticket and Arsenal fans wouldn't have to pay £1200 

for a ST.

We may never break into the top 6 clubs but that shouldn't stop us

making a moderate expansion to our ground. We have sold out 

every league game for 3 seasons so nobody really knows what our

our fan base could now be.

I would hope the reason why things have gone quiet on this 

is because the club are deciding how many seats to add rather

than whether to add them or not. 5k would be about right imo.

[Footballwipe]

I agree with pretty much everything Bayfox has said in this thread, particularly this line:

 

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I just don't get the obsession with a few more seats and I'm wondering if the owners are starting to think the same for an extra 3million a season.

My biggest fear is expanding then having sections or pockets empty for most games. I'm admittedly over cautious but I look around at grounds across the country and see the covered, empty seats/stands and I am glad we're constantly at 98/99% capacity at the moment.

 

[Bayfox]

1 hour ago, Spiritwalker said:

It's true that match day revenue is a far smaller % of overall income 

these days, however it is still important otherwise clubs would only

charge £10 for a ticket and Arsenal fans wouldn't have to pay £1200 

for a ST.

We may never break into the top 6 clubs but that shouldn't stop us

making a moderate expansion to our ground. We have sold out 

every league game for 3 seasons so nobody really knows what our

our fan base could now be.

I would hope the reason why things have gone quiet on this 

is because the club are deciding how many seats to add rather

than whether to add them or not. 5k would be about right imo.

Difference is arsenal are taking about 6 million a game and that's before boxes etc and due to being in London they can get away with it. Lots of those season ticket holders paying a grand or so are then selling or not using those seats every week. We will never get away with charging those sorts of prices and I personally don't want huge sections empty because we have tried to charge those prices then people don't use them apart from the big games.

 

For us the impact off the pitch is minimal. As I say I reckon unless we add more boxes the actual revenue equates to about 8 months of vardys salary.

[HighPeakFox]

3 hours ago, Bayfox said:

 

It's just my opinion. I don't see where the extra demand is coming from everyone's argument seems to be that few people don't even try to get tickets. Well if they are that lazy. Why the **** are they gonna want to go week in week out all of a sudden.

Lazy. Yes, that's it, LAZINESS. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, Footballwipe said:

My biggest fear is expanding then having sections or pockets empty for most games. I'm admittedly over cautious but I look around at grounds across the country and see the covered, empty seats/stands and I am glad we're constantly at 98/99% capacity at the moment.

 

Why does it worry you? Who are you worried about being judged by? 

 

Being worried about empty seats is such a British thing. 

[Footballwipe]

12 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Why does it worry you? Who are you worried about being judged by? 

 

Being worried about empty seats is such a British thing. 

No-one. I'm not one for taking Twitter and social media mocking to heart. Every club gets it.

 

I don't like the thought of sitting in a 42,500 capacity ground with only 28,000 in it. I'm sorry if that makes me "British" or any other negative connotation people would like to send over. I prefer being in a stadium that's rammed. Just my personal preference.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

13 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

No-one. I'm not one for taking Twitter and social media mocking to heart. Every club gets it.

 

I don't like the thought of sitting in a 42,500 capacity ground with only 28,000 in it. I'm sorry if that makes me "British" or any other negative connotation people would like to send over. I prefer being in a stadium that's rammed. Just my personal preference.

If we built another tier and there wasn't demand you just close it. Then there's scope for more capacity if needed and you get your packed stadium.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

On 28/12/2016 at 14:44, EGBFitness said:

Still a yes for me. 

 

Although gate revenue doesn't contribute much financially now towards football clubs, I think there will become a lot more pros than cons no matter what division we are in next season. 

[Ted Maul]

As the Colosseum sits as a permanent reminder of the might of the Roman Empire, so should the upper tier of the King Power Stadium's East Stand sit proudly as a reminder of the might of Ranieri's Leicester. We can just write 'Champions 2016' on the seat covers if we get relegated and can't fill it, no worries.

 

In all seriousness, building it increases our chances of becoming a bigger club. Not building it limits how big we can get. Why not take the chance?

[Bayfox]

2 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Lazy. Yes, that's it, LAZINESS. 

Don't be a cock. How is it up that peak of yours. 

 

If we have seats available why wouldn't people buy them?

 

We have them now. So yes I'd argue laziness plays a part. Why all off a sudden are the handful of people moaning they can't get tickets but can't be ****ed to buy the random seats that we have gonna go every week.

 

And if anyone comes back with we can't sit together. Do what we do. Buy tickets in that stand. Walk down the concourse and join you mates. 

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, Bayfox said:

Don't be a cock. How is it up that peak of yours. 

 

If we have seats available why wouldn't people buy them?

 

We have them now. So yes I'd argue laziness plays a part. Why all off a sudden are the handful of people moaning they can't get tickets but can't be ****ed to buy the random seats that we have gonna go every week.

 

And if anyone comes back with we can't sit together. Do what we do. Buy tickets in that stand. Walk down the concourse and join you mates. 

Well in my case it's something to do with it being an extra hassle on top of the expense, as well as 130 miles round trip, trying to juggle my career and often not knowing until late in the day whether or not I can make it. And although I take your point about those wanting to sit together (not an issue for me, most of my LCFC supporting mates live abroad or in London sadly), don't we want people to be able to come and sit with their friends and loved ones where possible? And I'm not moaning either, I just stated a point of view - I daresay this makes me a 'plastic'.

 

So, wind your neck in - I am sure plenty of people have comparable difficulties and cannot (reluctantly or otherwise) spend time searching for tickets, especially when the club doesn't always make them easy to get hold of - especially for those of us for whom memberships are pointless.

[davieG]

The best things about expanding the stadium is more people would be able to buy the better value ST and it would hopefully do away with the rip off membership scheme.

[Bunyip]

13 hours ago, Bayfox said:

Ffs Liverpool then went on to win titles galore at home and in Europe.

 

It's a totally different era now days. All based around commercialism and money. Our owners for a brand that comes from a retail background are terrible at the commercial and marketing side of our football club. Our brand may have grown a bit last year but we aren't a Liverpool. 

 

And like it or not we could go back to being a florist or wolves on current evidence much quicker than anticipated. One bad decision can send you back there. Look at what happened to all o'neills good work.

 

You need to make your mind up. You talk about 37k as being needed. But that's neither here nor there. 5k extra doesn't make us a big club.  It puts us in a bracket with Leeds, Sheffield weds etc who you have already dismissed earlier in the thread.

 

And still behind the likes of Newcastle and Sunderland. 

 

It certainly doesn't make us a Liverpool or man Utd does it.

 

Like it or not top 10 is as much as most clubs can expect to achieve now. As pointed out even with the champions tag and champions league football we found it hard this summer why?

 

because we don't have a rich history of winning things, we don't have a brand name and whilst there's some lovely parts of the county I doubt the grey lady rates highly on a list of top restaurants in the UK and a night in the globe would be high up a professional footballers list of things to do as night out, we don't have London or Manchester lifestyle to offer.

 

Whilst I'd love Leicester to grow. Become successful on a regular basis. After all this season has become one of the hardest to watch ever after our taste of the good life.

 

I just don't get the obsession with a few more seats and I'm wondering if the owners are starting to think the same for an extra 3million a season.

 

I guess if we do expand and get 40k week in week out for years to come. You can come back to me.

 

It's just my opinion. I don't see where the extra demand is coming from everyone's argument seems to be that few people don't even try to get tickets. Well if they are that lazy. Why the **** are they gonna want to go week in week out all of a sudden.

I'm struggling to understand why you support Leicester at all ?  It's being so cheerful that keeps you going isn't it ?  For the record it doesnt matter what you think anyway. The owners will do what they want to with or without your negative approval.

[Lako42]

Am I the only person here who doesn't give a flying shit about us being a 'big club' 

 

I couldn't care less what anyone thinks about us, I supported us when we were true dogshit.

 

In fact I'm quite sure that we are a better club when we accept our underdog status rather than grasping to delusions of grandeur that make everyone act like dicks.

 

Not one game has been a sellout this season, I don't give a shit whether Arch Bishop Desmond ****ing Tutu himself tells me.

[Bayfox]

5 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Well in my case it's something to do with it being an extra hassle on top of the expense, as well as 130 miles round trip, trying to juggle my career and often not knowing until late in the day whether or not I can make it. And although I take your point about those wanting to sit together (not an issue for me, most of my LCFC supporting mates live abroad or in London sadly), don't we want people to be able to come and sit with their friends and loved ones where possible? And I'm not moaning either, I just stated a point of view - I daresay this makes me a 'plastic'.

 

So, wind your neck in - I am sure plenty of people have comparable difficulties and cannot (reluctantly or otherwise) spend time searching for tickets, especially when the club doesn't always make them easy to get hold of - especially for those of us for whom memberships are pointless.

 Granted I get we don't all live of the doorstep. But are we suggesting that 5000 people are all of a sudden gonna rock up week in week out just because they have the option.  No. Chances are 3% of them are gonna still pick and choose the games they want. Which if they could be arsed they could do now. For 70 quid and leave 330 quid for the 6 games a year they want to go to?

4 hours ago, davieG said:

The best things about expanding the stadium is more people would be able to buy the better value ST and it would hopefully do away with the rip off membership scheme.

Maybe but as I've suggested above. 70 quid for a membership leaves a lot of scope for picking and choosing games. Over a 435 quid season ticket. The membership fee is subjective I guess.  

31 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

I'm struggling to understand why you support Leicester at all ?  It's being so cheerful that keeps you going isn't it ?  For the record it doesnt matter what you think anyway. The owners will do what they want to with or without your negative approval.

Erm. Because it was bred into me and the reason why I was one of the 14k going to filbert Street when we were shit. 1 of the 22k going to the walkers when we were average. But also aware enough to understand we aren't man Utd.  Are never going to be and adding 5k seats which seems to be your remit is never going to make us a big club, won't change **** all other than making about 7 people happy cuz they can get tickets without having to lift a finger. 

 

People seem so bothered about pissing off florist and Derby yet the irony is when we have to close a stand or cover seats. They will be the same ***** laughing at you.

 

And for the record the owners can do what the **** they like. With or without my approval. Same as you can choose to ignore my comments. But at least you have kept me entertained for 3 days  

14 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Am I the only person here who doesn't give a flying shit about us being a 'big club' 

 

I couldn't care less what anyone thinks about us, I supported us when we were true dogshit.

 

In fact I'm quite sure that we are a better club when we accept our underdog status rather than grasping to delusions of grandeur that make everyone act like dicks.

 

Not one game has been a sellout this season, I don't give a shit whether Arch Bishop Desmond ****ing Tutu himself tells me.

At least someone gets it.

 

Not sure why people want an empty tier as a legacy. 

[AKCJ]

10 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Why does it worry you? Who are you worried about being judged by? 

 

Being worried about empty seats is such a British thing. 

It's almost like we are British.

[sylofox]

On ‎29‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 20:02, Voll Blau said:

Coventry had a casino put in their new ground. It's clearly done wonders for them.

it has it's doubled the attendance for most home games.

[Webbo]

11 hours ago, davieG said:

The best things about expanding the stadium is more people would be able to buy the better value ST and it would hopefully do away with the rip off membership scheme.

Better value, ie cheaper STs and less memberships. You're asking the club to spend big money so that they'll be no better off, it's not going to happen.

[tylesta]

7 hours ago, Bayfox said:

 Granted I get we don't all live of the doorstep. But are we suggesting that 5000 people are all of a sudden gonna rock up week in week out just because they have the option.  No. Chances are 3% of them are gonna still pick and choose the games they want. Which if they could be arsed they could do now. For 70 quid and leave 330 quid for the 6 games a year they want to go to?

Maybe but as I've suggested above. 70 quid for a membership leaves a lot of scope for picking and choosing games. Over a 435 quid season ticket. The membership fee is subjective I guess.  

Erm. Because it was bred into me and the reason why I was one of the 14k going to filbert Street when we were shit. 1 of the 22k going to the walkers when we were average. But also aware enough to understand we aren't man Utd.  Are never going to be and adding 5k seats which seems to be your remit is never going to make us a big club, won't change **** all other than making about 7 people happy cuz they can get tickets without having to lift a finger. 

 

People seem so bothered about pissing off florist and Derby yet the irony is when we have to close a stand or cover seats. They will be the same ***** laughing at you.

 

And for the record the owners can do what the **** they like. With or without my approval. Same as you can choose to ignore my comments. But at least you have kept me entertained for 3 days  

At least someone gets it.

 

Not sure why people want an empty tier as a legacy. 

Me my mate want to take our kids but we cannot due to separate seats would go every game otherwise. I know of a fair few in the same situation to. 

[norwichfox]

I can recall the odd game in the 1960's where we got attendances around 40,000 as it was real terraces then, but those higher attendances never started to turn the corner toward us being a "bigger club", but I think current ownership (over a long period) may well push us in more in the direction of a bigger club given  the support they have fostered in Thailand so far, their willingness to invest in us, and we've become one of only 6 winners of the Premier League. I never thought I wanted us to be a "Big Club" until last season, it was amazing to pick up the national newspapers and see almost daily articles on our club and our players....pure magic.

[davieG]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

Better value, ie cheaper STs and less memberships. You're asking the club to spend big money so that they'll be no better off, it's not going to happen.

I'm not suggesting they reduce the price of ST just that they are better value than matchday ones and you would presume there would be more available. As for membership fees I'm  not convinced that makes them money with all the associated admin costs.