Stadt Posted 5 April 2017 Posted 5 April 2017 36 minutes ago, sdb said: We haven't sold out the last 2 games have we? Both sub 32k. Could be away fans but sadly the current capacity seems about right. Would love a bigger stand but if we can't sell out games as champions... Sunderland must have brought about a thousand and Stoke didn't sell out completely either. I don't think too much can be read from those attendances.
HighPeakFox Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 10 hours ago, Wookie said: Sunderland must have brought about a thousand and Stoke didn't sell out completely either. I don't think too much can be read from those attendances. Also, people would turn up in greater numbers with greater capacity anyway. I'd imagine there are lots of people like me that cannot come to games often, but would do so more frequently knowing that getting tickets didn't require a lot of advance planning.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 11 hours ago, sdb said: We haven't sold out the last 2 games have we? Both sub 32k. Could be away fans but sadly the current capacity seems about right. Would love a bigger stand but if we can't sell out games as champions... The home end was all but sold out for Sunderland, we even sold the blocks in the away end next to L1 and N1 that they opened up at short notice.
Gerard Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 12 hours ago, Ted Maul said: The issue with that is that there are a large number of kids who can't get tickets at a time where we should be capturing the entirety of a generation- there should be absolutely no need for any child growing up to become a glory fan at the moment. This is a massive chance to really grow the club, make no mistake. We should just go for it. I just can't comprehend any fan who is against expansion. An expansion isn't just for vanity sake but a necessity so the club can grow and a whole generation doesn't miss out on being able to watch their football team. I think we'd easily sell 30,000 - 35,000 season tickets if we had the stadium to fit them all and we could probably average 45,000. We're the a one team city in the 8th biggest city in England and the county has a population of one million. You can go for miles in any direction before you come to a league team and we could easily get new supporters from Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire, Northamptonshire and Warwickshire. It's amazing how many small thinking supporters we have who are happy to rest on their laurels and remain little old Leicester.
Gerard Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 28 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: The home end was all but sold out for Sunderland, we even sold the blocks in the away end next to L1 and N1 that they opened up at short notice. Also Leicester City is a basically a closed shop. A limit of 23,000 ST holders and then members get 99% of the available tickets. There are thousands of Leicester supporters who are just acclimatised to not going. Looking at our population there is no reason we shouldn't have a bigger support than Sunderland and on par with Newcastle. If the capacity was there then thousands of people would suddenly spend £400 on a ST and just start going and then it's part of their routine. There are dozens of examples that supporters don't fill a smaller ground week in week out but when they move to new ground all of a sudden there are 10,000 more supporters. Look at us at Filbert Street under O'Neill with 18,000 crowds when we were doing well and not selling out every week. Build and they will come.
Ted Maul Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 2 minutes ago, Gerard said: I just can't comprehend any fan who is against expansion. An expansion isn't just for vanity sake but a necessity so the club can grow and a whole generation doesn't miss out on being able to watch their football team. I think we'd easily sell 30,000 - 35,000 season tickets if we had the stadium to fit them all and we could probably average 45,000. We're the a one team city in the 8th biggest city in England and the county has a population of one million. You can go for miles in any direction before you come to a league team and we could easily get new supporters from Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire, Northamptonshire and Warwickshire. It's amazing how many small thinking supporters we have who are happy to rest on their laurels and remain little old Leicester. It only seems to be people who have season tickets who are against it, strangely... The point about season tickets is a good one- I think we could comfortably sell that much because they are largely affordable under the interest-free direct debit system. Once you've sold that many season tickets, the expansion would already be justified because we would have more people in than our current capacity before you even take additional ticket sales into consideration. 45,000 average sounds slightly optimistic to me at this stage, but we could certainly average in the high 30s. We need to look forward as well- football is a growing form of entertainment. More and more people are getting into it as its exposure increases, and crowds will continue to swell as a result. We might not be able to average 45k now, but who's to say we won't in 10 years? After all, nobody would have seen us averaging 32k back when we were barely getting 10k at the turn of the 90s. It's all about having the capacity there to satisfy demand as and when required.
yorkie1999 Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 Sky should be pushing expansions at every ground as part of the money deal, after all it is the fans that they are actually selling. No crowds mean no professional football.
Voll Blau Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 I think the argument that we need to get more kids into the ground is fine - but in practice that only works if the club are going to price tickets accordingly for a) kids and b) their parents. If they're not going to make tickets more affordable for occasional match-goers, for whom spending cash on football more than a couple of times a season simply can't be a priority, then the argument is in vain.
Gerard Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 24 minutes ago, Ted Maul said: It only seems to be people who have season tickets who are against it, strangely... The point about season tickets is a good one- I think we could comfortably sell that much because they are largely affordable under the interest-free direct debit system. Once you've sold that many season tickets, the expansion would already be justified because we would have more people in than our current capacity before you even take additional ticket sales into consideration. 45,000 average sounds slightly optimistic to me at this stage, but we could certainly average in the high 30s. We need to look forward as well- football is a growing form of entertainment. More and more people are getting into it as its exposure increases, and crowds will continue to swell as a result. We might not be able to average 45k now, but who's to say we won't in 10 years? After all, nobody would have seen us averaging 32k back when we were barely getting 10k at the turn of the 90s. It's all about having the capacity there to satisfy demand as and when required. I agree with all of that but I think you underestimate our potential crowd. I think we'd sell about 35,000 ST's if there was no limited availability. Another 7,000 fans on turning up and 3,000 away and 45,000 gates. It's all educated guess work but I'm judging it on our population and looking at other clubs on how their gates have improved with bigger stadiums. I bet there are loads of ST holders who would love to go with a friend or take their Dad/wife/kids, etc but just can't buy another ticket as ST's aren't for sale. I'm a gold member and I would buy two ST's if I could for myself and a fan that rarely gets to games. I normally sit in the same seat with my gold member ticket and the ST holders I talk to near me ask me why I just don't buy the seat as a ST and they're unaware that the club won't sell anymore ST's.
Gerard Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 1 minute ago, Voll Blau said: I think the argument that we need to get more kids into the ground is fine - but in practice that only works if the club are going to price tickets accordingly for a) kids and b) their parents. If they're not going to make tickets more affordable for occasional match-goers, for whom spending cash on football more than a couple of times a season simply can't be a priority, then the argument is in vain. I like the German model when the stadiums are big and packed but the tickets are cheap as chips. My biggest fear for Leicester is we eventually get relegated but haven't kicked on as a club in that time. All clubs basically live within their means and don't keep getting richer and richer. Any excess funds will eventually be spent on transfers and wages but I would like to see us leave a legacy with a new or bigger stadium and move up a level in the game from the likes of Southampton, Forest, Stoke, Derby, Norwich, etc. If it was up to me I have a 60,000 stadium with cheap tickets so it got filled and the whole city and county was behind their football team. With success and the perception of a big club you attract better sponsorship deals and it's the sponsorship deals that create the big money divide in PL football.
Xen Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 I would absolutely be a ST holder if the opportunity was there. It's only through circumstance that I couldn't have a ticket in our promotion season and there has been no easy opportunity since. Instead, I can't get a gold membership because they were sold out, and theres very little point getting a silver membership as a lot of games don't even seem to make it to that. Hardly worth the cash just for the chance at a few games each year like Bournemouth or Watford. At the minute itd take me a year of being silver to have a chance at getting gold, then another year before I could potentially get a ST if I'm lucky. There are loads more in a similar situation to me, and thousands more potential fans who aren't getting an easy opportunity to go. If you're not a Leicester fan already then I seriously doubt many will be tempted to go and sit in one of the odd single seats by themselves... Expansion is an absolute must.
Stadt Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 I'm not against expansion but I think it's hard to draw conclusions from people on foxestalk, obviously people on here care greatly about the club otherwise they wouldn't have signed up to the forum. Are these families from Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire andNorthamptonshire going to get season tickets? They don't just pick a team to follow because they're the most successful team within 50 miles.
Finnegan Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 3 minutes ago, Wookie said: I'm not against expansion but I think it's hard to draw conclusions from people on foxestalk, obviously people on here care greatly about the club otherwise they wouldn't have signed up to the forum. Are these families from Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire andNorthamptonshire going to get season tickets? They don't just pick a team to follow because they're the most successful team within 50 miles. Surely the point of expanding isn't purely about season tickets though? It's about having more tickets available for one time buyers who can't make every game? Plus, cringe all you want, the club are probably thinking of the new world of football tourism and imagining cashing in.
Voll Blau Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 1 hour ago, Gerard said: I like the German model when the stadiums are big and packed but the tickets are cheap as chips. My biggest fear for Leicester is we eventually get relegated but haven't kicked on as a club in that time. All clubs basically live within their means and don't keep getting richer and richer. Any excess funds will eventually be spent on transfers and wages but I would like to see us leave a legacy with a new or bigger stadium and move up a level in the game from the likes of Southampton, Forest, Stoke, Derby, Norwich, etc. If it was up to me I have a 60,000 stadium with cheap tickets so it got filled and the whole city and county was behind their football team. With success and the perception of a big club you attract better sponsorship deals and it's the sponsorship deals that create the big money divide in PL football. Depends where you go and which part of the ground you're in, but the sad fact here is clubs in England simply don't need to make certain areas more affordable like they do there. In Germany people have been known to boycott over tickets that would still cost them less than 20 Euro - here people get told "no one's forcing you to go" for simply expressing the opinion that there was no need for LCFC to make Atletico tickets £45. The clubs know this, they know they'll still get a full ground whatever, so they get away with it.
Stadt Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 Just now, Finnegan said: Surely the point of expanding isn't purely about season tickets though? It's about having more tickets available for one time buyers who can't make every game? Plus, cringe all you want, the club are probably thinking of the new world of football tourism and imagining cashing in. Yeah it's about getting more people in whether they're season ticket holders or not and the club probably do want whoever they can get in, I can't help but think some people are exaggerating the demand though.
Gerard Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 1 minute ago, Wookie said: I'm not against expansion but I think it's hard to draw conclusions from people on foxestalk, obviously people on here care greatly about the club otherwise they wouldn't have signed up to the forum. Are these families from Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire andNorthamptonshire going to get season tickets? They don't just pick a team to follow because they're the most successful team within 50 miles. You'd be surprised. My mate's lad plays for a junior football team and some non Leicester fans from Nuneaton asked him about getting three season tickets to watch PL football for him and his two boys but wasn't able to through lack of supply. If we became big enough there would be a significant amount of people who would probably start watching us from footballing deserts within the region from neighbouring counties. I bet there are quite a few Forest fans still kicking about from outside Notts because of their legacy under Clough.
Stadt Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 Just now, Gerard said: You'd be surprised. My mate's lad plays for a junior football team and some non Leicester fans from Nuneaton asked him about getting three season tickets to watch PL football for him and his two boys but wasn't able to through lack of supply. If we became big enough there would be a significant amount of people who would probably start watching us from footballing deserts within the region from neighbouring counties. I bet there are quite a few Forest fans still kicking about from outside Notts because of their legacy under Clough. Probably, sounds a bit snobby but I'd rather these kids didn't support us but instead supported their local team. It's pretty funny though that 8 years after being in League 1 we're in a position to be talking about glory hunters
sylofox Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 54 minutes ago, Gerard said: I just can't comprehend any fan who is against expansion. An expansion isn't just for vanity sake but a necessity so the club can grow and a whole generation doesn't miss out on being able to watch their football team. I think we'd easily sell 30,000 - 35,000 season tickets if we had the stadium to fit them all and we could probably average 45,000. We're the a one team city in the 8th biggest city in England and the county has a population of one million. You can go for miles in any direction before you come to a league team and we could easily get new supporters from Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire, Northamptonshire and Warwickshire. It's amazing how many small thinking supporters we have who are happy to rest on their laurels and remain little old Leicester. At least 6 more from Warwickshire when cov shut up shop
Gerard Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 Just now, Wookie said: Probably, sounds a bit snobby but I'd rather these kids didn't support us but instead supported their local team. It's pretty funny though that 8 years after being in League 1 we're in a position to be talking about glory hunters That all depends what you want from a club but if you want to become a big club then "glory hunters" come with the territory. There will be plenty of people from Barwell who don't support their local 7th tier club or whatever it is but support Leicester. Clubs like Liverpool, Man Utd, etc don't just have supporters from their cities but from places like Birkenhead, Bury, Accrington, etc. Even Villa have large support from Warwickshire, Worcestershire, etc. I personally wouldn't mind Leicester City being the big team of the East Midlands because we get a lot of support from outside the county but in the region. I just want Leicester City to be as big and successful as we can.
sylofox Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 9 minutes ago, Wookie said: Probably, sounds a bit snobby but I'd rather these kids didn't support us but instead supported their local team. It's pretty funny though that 8 years after being in League 1 we're in a position to be talking about glory hunters If cov go bust we will be the local team. Nuneaton is only just over the boarder. So are you saying all our Kettering Corby and Wellingborough foxes should feck off and watch the Cobblers?
Webbo Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 Ask yourself a question. If we'd just gone bust and Cov were in the PL could you support them instead? I don't think I could, nor Forest or Derby.
Blue ROI Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Ask yourself a question. If we'd just gone bust and Cov were in the PL could you support them instead? I don't think I could, nor Forest or Derby. Well we almost went to the wall and it didn't stop me supporting Leicester.
Gerard Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: Ask yourself a question. If we'd just gone bust and Cov were in the PL could you support them instead? I don't think I could, nor Forest or Derby. We wouldn't because by definition all the regular posters on here are die hard fans otherwise we wouldn't spend countless hours of our lives talking about Leicester City. Not everyone thinks like that though. I always remember a post from someone on here who said Loughborough is 90% Leicester but when Forest were in their pomp it was 50/50. It's always baffled me a bit but it shows that there are potential fans out there that can be taken and converted.
Webbo Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 3 minutes ago, Gerard said: We wouldn't because by definition all the regular posters on here are die hard fans otherwise we wouldn't spend countless hours of our lives talking about Leicester City. Not everyone thinks like that though. I always remember a post from someone on here who said Loughborough is 90% Leicester but when Forest were in their pomp it was 50/50. It's always baffled me a bit but it shows that there are potential fans out there that can be taken and converted. So they'll be our fans when we're doing well but nowhere to be seen when we're struggling?
Koke Posted 6 April 2017 Posted 6 April 2017 Newcastle were averaging 36k in the mid 90s. They had a title challenge and later a CL campaign and their average attendance went up to 50k. They've been mostly shit for a decade bar one or two seasons but they've still maintained their 50k crowd every week. I see no reason why we can't aim to be like Newcastle in terms of fan base.
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