TrentFox Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Right now, that looks the best of the options the bookies feel are on offer.
ImBlue Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Iain Dowie spent more than one season in the top flight, so he's a better manager than Pearson based on that logic, ok... That wasn't just my logic, it was comparing it to being international managers, managed in European competition/Champions league, won titles (and not just second and third division). Better managers than Pearson in premier league: - pardew - mourinho - Rodgers - pochettino - wenger - van gaal - monk - Howe - pellegrini - Bilic - mark Hughes - tony pulis Get the drift? Pearson isn't better than most premier league managers, nevermind the likes of ranieri and hiddink. Stop being delusional. By the way some go on about him on here he will be offered the man utd job after van gaal. He will be fortunate to pick up a desperate premier league club.
shade Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 The "optimists" seem to believe that critics of the sacking assume the outcome will be negative. Not so. It might work out very well. But it might not. A poker metaphor: If you are dealt a full house, you might opt to chuck your hand in and gamble on the final deal giving you 4 of a kind or a royal flush You might get it. But you'd be much more likely to get a pair or Jack-high. I'm a "glass half full" person, but am also realistic about how difficult it is to find a manager who will consistently take a football club forward. I don't think the "optimists" appreciate that in NP we had at least a full house, maybe with time even a royal flush. Sometimes improvement took time, there were bad patches and he wasn't universally popular. However, in his 5 full seasons his record reads: L1 champions; Championship play-offs (a massive over-achievement with that squad); Championship play-offs again; Championship champions; Miraculous escape from Premier League relegation (when the other 2 promotees went down)....all achieved while building a balanced, committed and entertaining squad. Any drama should reach its proper conclusion. Maybe that conclusion would have been that NP couldn't handle the "difficult 2nd season" in the Premier League. Maybe he'd have been unable to take the club higher and someone else can. Barring a miraculous return, we'll never know - though if he achieves such success elsewhere, we'll have a pretty good idea. Maybe there's an unrevealed justification for the sacking, or a cunning plan for the future. The longer we go without an appointment, the less likely that looks. It looks more like we've jacked in a full house and gambled on being dealt a royal flush. I'd now settle for a straight, even 3 of a kind. good post, but like everything on this topic it's practically rendered moot by one phrase "Maybe there's an unrevealed justification for the sacking".
Merging Cultures Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 That wasn't just my logic, it was comparing it to being international managers, managed in European competition/Champions league, won titles (and not just second and third division). Better managers than Pearson in premier league: - pardew - mourinho - Rodgers - pochettino - wenger - van gaal - monk - Howe - pellegrini - Bilic - mark Hughes - tony pulis Get the drift? Pearson isn't better than most premier league managers, nevermind the likes of ranieri and hiddink. Stop being delusional. By the way some go on about him on here he will be offered the man utd job after van gaal. He will be fortunate to pick up a desperate premier league club. Which stats are you using?
foxfanazer Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 That wasn't just my logic, it was comparing it to being international managers, managed in European competition/Champions league, won titles (and not just second and third division). Better managers than Pearson in premier league: - pardew - mourinho - Rodgers - pochettino - wenger - van gaal - monk - Howe - pellegrini - Bilic - mark Hughes - tony pulis Get the drift? Pearson isn't better than most premier league managers, nevermind the likes of ranieri and hiddink. Stop being delusional. By the way some go on about him on here he will be offered the man utd job after van gaal. He will be fortunate to pick up a desperate premier league club. where do you even start with that!
Simi Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 That wasn't just my logic, it was comparing it to being international managers, managed in European competition/Champions league, won titles (and not just second and third division). Better managers than Pearson in premier league: - pardew - mourinho - Rodgers - pochettino - wenger - van gaal - monk - Howe - pellegrini - Bilic - mark Hughes - tony pulis Get the drift? Pearson isn't better than most premier league managers, nevermind the likes of ranieri and hiddink. Stop being delusional. By the way some go on about him on here he will be offered the man utd job after van gaal. He will be fortunate to pick up a desperate premier league club. Just because someone has managed in the Champions League or at International level it does not mean he is a better manager for this club than Pearson. Hiddink and Ranieri have had little to no success anywhere in the last ten years and it is completely valid to question their credentials for our job in the present day.
ImBlue Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Just because someone has managed in the Champions League or at International level it does not mean he is a better manager for this club than Pearson. Hiddink and Ranieri have had little to no success anywhere in the last ten years and it is completely valid to question their credentials for our job in the present day.Little to no success? Ranieri took juve to 3rd in first season back in serie a, then 2nd. A spell at Roma, only losing in cup final and league to jose mourinhos inter. Took over a slipping inter side and maybe underachieved, but then guided Monaco into the top flight at first attempt and 2nd in the league the following season. All in the last 10 years. Wasn't hiddink in a champions league final in the last 10 years? A semi final of a World Cup. I know it doesn't compare to winning league one and the championship along with surviving in the prem with a run of seven good games, but it isn't bad.
Guest MattP Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Wasn't guiding Monaco to the top flight the French equivalent of winning the league with Celtic given the money and players they had?
ImBlue Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Wasn't guiding Monaco to the top flight the French equivalent of winning the league with Celtic given the money and players they had? Sean is that you? Many would say Pearson did what was expected of him in gaining promotion considering the amount of money Leicester had in comparison with other championship clubs. Doesn't stop him getting a god like status though does it?
Wymsey Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Wasn't guiding Monaco to the top flight the French equivalent of winning the league with Celtic given the money and players they had? Slightly harsh on some of the teams; some decent ones in Marseille, Lyon (but not PSG, who throw money at anything like Monaco).
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Sean is that you? Many would say Pearson did what was expected of him in gaining promotion considering the amount of money Leicester had in comparison with other championship clubs. Doesn't stop him getting a god like status though does it? Those people wouldn't have done any research regarding our spending cuts under Pearson's return
Guest MattP Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Sean is that you? Many would say Pearson did what was expected of him in gaining promotion considering the amount of money Leicester had in comparison with other championship clubs. Doesn't stop him getting a god like status though does it? No it's Matt, it's above the post if you are unsure. We weren't even the top spending club in the Championship so the comparison isn't really logical, QPR had spent more than us and along with Wigan, Bolton and a couple of others our wage bill was lower. A quick google shows Monaco bought a few multi-million pound players in pursuit of that Ligue Two title, so no, I don't think the two are comparable or that Claudio deserves a godlike status for his achievements at Monaco. (Add to that Ranieri was hardly walking into the mess NP was) You are quick to praise him so I'll give a run down of the finale of every single job he has ever had since the exceptional Valencia one in 1999. Can you spot the common theme? He was finally relieved of his coaching duties at Chelsea, and his job went to José Mourinho, who had led Porto to successive European triumphs Valencia were sixth in La Liga at the time of Ranieri's sacking.[8]Quique Sánchez Flores was announced by Valencia in June 2005 to be Ranieri's long term successor. Prior to that Ranieri had picked up £3million from Valencia for the premature termination of his contract. Ranieri resigned before he could be sacked by the Atlético chairman Jesús Gil, who was well known for sacking managers.[3] Atlético would indeed go on to be relegated. On 31 May, Parma announced Ranieri would not be the club's manager for the following season He was said to have been under real pressure to maintain his job as head coach with many supporters of the club publicly criticising the team and in particular Ranieri. Speculation ended when, after having an emergency board meeting on 18 May 2009, the board sacked Ranieri after Inter were confirmed Champions Ranieri resigned as manager on 20 February 2011 after a poor run of results. His final game in charge was a 4–3 defeat to Genoa, in which Roma surrendered a 3–0 lead A run of just two wins in their last 13 games and elimination by Olympique de Marseille in the last-16 of the 2011–2012 UEFA Champions League eventually led to his dismissal Ranieri led Monaco finishing with 80 points, second place in the 2013–14 Ligue 1. On 20 May 2014, he was sacked from his position as Monaco manager He was sacked on 15 November 2014, the day after a UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying defeat at home against the Faroe Islands,
Alf Bentley Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 good post, but like everything on this topic it's practically rendered moot by one phrase "Maybe there's an unrevealed justification for the sacking". I take your point, but would say that the lack of explanation makes criticism of NP's sacking provisional, rather than moot. It would be moot if a justification was revealed. I'm not being naive. It's unlikely we'll ever get a detailed explanation, and a public slanging match or legal action probably isn't in the interests of Pearson or the Thais. However, to keep the fans on-side, it would surely benefit the owners to give more of an explanation than they have? E.g. did the "fundamental differences in perspective" concern strategy for building success on the pitch or conduct off it? Indirectly, we probably will get an answer to that, even if they don't make any further statement. If they appoint a big name who launches a major squad overhaul and starts splashing the cash, we'll know it was the former. If a lower-profile manager comes in who continues to work with most of the existing squad and doesn't make a lot of big signings, we'll be able to assume that it was down to disagreements about off-the-field issues, probably culminating with the "Bang-Cock 3" (misspelling deliberate!). Although it's sad either way, I'd have less of an issue with him being sacked for off-the-field issues (e.g. arguing about his son). But you'd need to have a bloody good reason to sack someone with his trajectory and to give fans some idea what it is. That is why my condemnation is provisional, not moot (yet). Then again, I suppose that if the owners just view LCFC as a tool for promoting the King Power brand, they don't need to bother about the fans at all, provided their actions help the KP brand.....a depressing thought!
ImBlue Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Sacked after finishing second in first season in the league after winning the lower league the season before and you quote that as if it's his fault? But I really can't be bothered with arguing about Pearson and Ranieri. With the greatest respect, Pearson has managed 3 clubs championship clubs spanning about 6 seasons? And got sacked for defending a someone involved in a derogatory racist orgy on a tour of the owners home country. The fact Ranieri has managed porto, athletico, inter, Roma, juve, Chelsea, Monaco, fiorentina over a career of probably about 20 years, tells you he is well seasoned and a elite level manager. Let see who Pearson manages next,
Voll Blau Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Sacked after finishing second in first season in the league after winning the lower league the season before and you quote that as if it's his fault? But I really can't be bothered with arguing about Pearson and Ranieri. With the greatest respect, Pearson has managed 3 clubs championship clubs spanning about 6 seasons? And got sacked for defending a someone involved in a derogatory racist orgy on a tour of the owners home country. The fact Ranieri has managed porto, athletico, inter, Roma, juve, Chelsea, Monaco, fiorentina over a career of probably about 20 years, tells you he is well seasoned and a elite level manager. Let see who Pearson manages next, Last time I checked we were a Premier League club. Who was it who got us there and kept us there again? Like I've said before, if you're impressed by a manger purely because they're a big name who's managed big clubs in the past, you're a massive fvcking yokel.
dave_the_fox Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Ranieri been spotted at Heathrow arrivals apparently, with an OVERNIGHT bag So we all know what that means!
filbertway Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 If we got a manager with a big reputation who clearly won't be around for longer than a few seasons, I'd expect almost instant results. If we got in a younger manager who we'd expect to build a team and be with the club 5+ years then I'd afford them the same patience Pearson has earned. As long as they show an improvement at the club after 12 months that's good enough for me (not necessarily in terms of league position, but the state of the club as a whole). My main worry is, by hiring an older manager who's been around the block a million times, we're no longer treating this as a long term project. It becomes a cycle of throwing money at a manager and hoping for the best. After watching QPR do that, I really hope the people running things at our club don't intend to do run the club the same way. Ranieri been spotted at Heathrow arrivals apparently, with an OVERNIGHT bagSo we all know what that means! On his way to Vegas and transferring at Heathrow?
MPH Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Ranieri been spotted at Heathrow arrivals apparently, with an OVERNIGHT bag So we all know what that means! He got the wrong plane and was heading for Thailand?
ImBlue Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Last time I checked we were a Premier League club. Who was it who got us there and kept us there again? Like I've said before, if you're impressed by a manger purely because they're a big name who's managed big clubs in the past, you're a massive fvcking yokel. Promoted, as expected. Stayed up, as expected. Your point?
Voll Blau Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Promoted, as expected. Stayed up, as expected. Your point? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. He did exactly what was asked of him by your standards.
Corky Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 That wasn't just my logic, it was comparing it to being international managers, managed in European competition/Champions league, won titles (and not just second and third division). Better managers than Pearson in premier league: - pardew - mourinho - Rodgers - pochettino - wenger - van gaal - monk - Howe - pellegrini - Bilic - mark Hughes - tony pulis Get the drift? Pearson isn't better than most premier league managers, nevermind the likes of ranieri and hiddink. Stop being delusional. By the way some go on about him on here he will be offered the man utd job after van gaal. He will be fortunate to pick up a desperate premier league club. Eddie Howe?
ImBlue Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 If it ain't broke, don't fix it. He did exactly what was asked of him by your standards. He did, and I think that was excellent from him. His downfall wasn't achievements on the pitch though was it? It was dragging the clubs name through the mud throughout the season with his arrogance.
Stevosevic Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 "@bafra575: @BBCSport Claudio Ranieri in Arrivals T5 Heathrow! Only small overnight bag. Maybe off to St Pancras heading North?"
Voll Blau Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 He did, and I think that was excellent from him. His downfall wasn't achievements on the pitch though was it? It was dragging the clubs name through the mud throughout the season with his arrogance. He only "dragged the club's name through the mud" if you're a bit soft, easily offended and enjoy being taken in by Twitter overreactions. Are we going to appoint managers based on whether they've read fvcking Debrett's or not now or something?
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