The Doctor Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Pearson did well for us that much is true. But he was also a fool in some of the things he said and did. Despite that do you think he will EVER manage Chelsea? Or AC Milan perhaps? Or some of the other big teams Ranieri and others have? I very much doubt it. Some of this Oearson rimming has to stop. Yes he was good. Yes he improved us. But he is not the bloody saviour of football. There are better managers, sad but true. Will we attract one? I'm not sure. Im pretty sure Ranieri's successes, experience and win percentage overall make him a better manager than Nigel. You talk as if that matters? He was an excellent manager for us and given where he found us vs where he's left us (on both occasions) calling him our saviour isn't an entirely unfair comment. Would he do well at Chelsea and does that matter? I don't know, and no, because we aren't Chelsea or AC Milan (who Ranieri never managed btw).
ARM1968 Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 BlueSi13 - it's because they aren't good enough plain and simple, like our national side. Nothing to do with fancy foreigner's. In a business, which football now is, the best rise to the top. In my opinion Pearson never will, he has too many flaws. There simply are better managers than him. Will we get one? I don't know.
Matt Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Of course not, Nigel is English. The best an English manager can do these days is get a club upto mid-table before being binned off for a fancy sounding foreigner. Come of it, you sound as bad as John Barnes when he moans about black managers never getting a chance. There is a reason why English managers don't often take over top teams, just as on a whole there aren't many black managers in jobs out there (There aren't many black managers out there per se, but Chris Powell and Jimmy Floyd aren't struggling for jobs and there is a reason for that, they done well in their jobs in the past), it's nothing to do with race or nationality, that's just an easy excuse/reason to blame.
BlueSi13 Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 He is a foreigner to Italian, Spanish or French clubs. Still don't see big Nige rocking up at some of the mega clubs Ranieri has been at To get a top job abroad, English managers need to have the chance to build up their managerial reputations in England first. But as we all know English managers are pretty much barred from getting the top jobs in this country so that's never going to happen is it.
ktfox59 Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Not really but things are starting to look a little desperate so get him in. He's the best of a pretty terrible bunch IMO. I suspect the owners REALLY overestimated the clubs appeal when they sacked Pearson. A very good point u make. It doesnt seem if the ones in work fancy a swap, and the ones out of work, are for a good reason
davieG Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 A wagering deluge has seen Claudio Ranieri emerge as a surprise favourite to take over from Nigel Pearson as next Leicester City manager. The Italian has more football teams on the ‘clubs managed’ section of his CV than there are in most leagues, yet his only experience of the English game came at Chelsea, where his arrival pre-dated that of Roman Abramovich. Out of work since being sacked by Greece after overseeing a farcical start to Euro 2016 qualification, seeing Ranieri’s name in the running for a Premier League return, with a side forecast to be battling doom in the lower echelons no less, initially strikes as a bizarre move. Recently sacked Leicester manager Nigel Pearson But scratching below the surface reveals the coach whose obsession with squad rotation at Stamford Bridge earned him the nickname ‘the Tinkerman’ is a pretty savvy short-term troubleshooter. His 199 games at the Blues helm was his longest stint in charge to date and in this period he secured the Champions League qualification required to convince Abramovich to invest his billions into the club and steered them to what was a record Premier League finish of second in 2003/04 before being replaced by Jose Mourinho. He returned to Valencia for a second and significantly less successful spell afterwards, before taking the reigns of crisis club Parma in 2007. They sat in the second lowest spot in Serie A upon Ranieri’s appointment, but finished the campaign in 12th having almost trebled their points tally. He transformed Roma from Scudetto no-hopers into near champions in 2009/10, finishing two points behind Mourinho’s Inter team, backed with greater financial power and stocked with world-beating superstars, while two years prior to this he oversaw Juventus’ return to the Champions League after their Serie B exile. A season-long stint at Inter followed, where he took over in late September of 2011/12 after a dire start and took the club to within three points of a top-four finish, before moving to Monaco where, with some slight financial assistance, he masterminded the club’s return to Ligue 1 title contention. This record of shortsighted success and excellent experience is what renders Ranieri a great option for Leicester. The Foxes’ perpetual state of off field turmoil cost them a manager halfway through the summer, meaning pre-season plans have been concocted by a team of people who may well be relieved of duties under the new regime, whereas recruitment has been shelved. Leicester finished the previous season strongly, but another year of battling the drop is in store, yet, while their rivals formulate survival schemes and rationalise how best to use their assets, they’re wasting time looking for a new manager. To combat this, whoever they do appoint must be a veteran deliverer of short-term success, or their 3/1 price for relegation this term will rapidly appreciate in value.
purpleronnie Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Might sound petty but I am concerned about his poor english, I would imagine it's difficult to motivate players when they can barely understand you. Unless his english has improved since I last heard him.
BlueSi13 Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Come of it, you sound as bad as John Barnes when he moans about black managers never getting a chance. There is a reason why English managers don't often take over top teams, just as on a whole there isn't many good black managers (There aren't many black managers out there per se) out there (Chris Powell and Jimmy Floyd aren't struggling for jobs and there is a reason for that, they done well in their jobs in the past), it's nothing to do with race or nationality, that's just an easy excuse/reason to blame. Because they simply aren't fashionable. Owners, fans, we're all guilty of assuming that because somebody has a fancy sounding name and looks the part in a suit they must be better than our own. The Premier League is packed with overpaid mediocre foreign dirge because of this attitude. Meanwhile our own game continues to sink like a stone. When was the last time an English manager got a job at one of the top four clubs? Of course English managers CVs will never look as good as their foreign counterparts as they simply don't get the opportunities anymore. I'd be seriously surprised if you deny that this happens today. Nigel Pearson will be the perfect example. A guy that I truly doubt could have done any better than what he did during both spells at this football club has just lost his job in order for the club 'to reach the next level' whatever the **** that means.
Matt Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Might sound petty but I am concerned about his poor english, I would imagine it's difficult to motivate players when they can barely understand you. Unless his english has improved since I last heard him. This. I struggled with Sousa, I couldn't understand a word he said in his interviews.
lgfualol Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 That spurs manager didnt speak English when he first went to Saints.
Donut Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Of course not, Nigel is English. The best an English manager can do these days is get a club upto mid-table before being binned off for a fancy sounding foreigner. Thats not true. Brendan Rogers at Liverpool, Moyes at Man Utd. Both flattering to decieve in their roles, and you dont see barely any English managers managing abroad either. Why not? they arent viewed as good enough, astute enough, adaptable enough. As for Ranieri, before the Pearson sacking no we wouldnt have looked at him as a replacement. We wouldnt have looked at ANYONE, but the club would be in good hands with Ranieri
bovril Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Shouldn't hold too much store by that. Greece's football squad is in as bad a state as their economy. The husband of a woman I work with is Greek, and he's in despair about their team ATM. He actually reckons that the results against the Faroes were a true reflection on the relative strength of the two teams. There's plenty of decent managers that would, I believe, have failed to do better! They can only withdraw 60 euros per player per day?
Donut Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 This. I struggled with Sousa, I couldn't understand a word he said in his interviews. Ranieri has very good English. It was when he came to Chelsea he didnt. And he learnt the language.
dedlock Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 When NP was sacked,other than astonishment,my first reaction was that we need a safe pair of hands to replace him. The obvious candidate at the time was Allardyce.He has ruled himself out. We need a manager who will build on the'great escape',get us established as a PL side and either move on from there or provide for a solid platform for a successor.NP has left a good legacy for his successor with what appears to be an excellent backroom and sport science department.The next manager needs to be adaptable and fit easily into that set up .I'm not so sure,intelligent tho' he clearly is,MON would do so.Ranieri was not an obvious candidate when NP left but may be the adaptable,capable man required.
Matt Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Because they simply aren't fashionable. Owners, fans, we're all guilty of assuming that because somebody has a fancy sounding name and looks the part in a suit they must be better than our own. The Premier League is packed with overpaid mediocre foreign dirge because of this attitude. Meanwhile our own game continues to sink like a stone. When was the last time an English manager got a job at one of the top four clubs? Of course English managers CVs will never look as good as their foreign counterparts as they simply don't get the opportunities anymore. I'd be seriously surprised if you deny that this happens today. Nigel Pearson will be the perfect example. A guy that I truly doubt could have done any better than what he did during both spells at this football club has just lost his job in order for the club 'to reach the next level' whatever the **** that means. Kevin Keegan at Man City? Roy Hodgson at Liverpool? Whilst if we broaden the search abit and say British, there is Rogers at Liverpool (Who will get sacked this season for being shit, mark my words), Fergie at Man Utd, Moyes at Man Utd, Mark Hughes at Man City. I can't argue against your point that there are no English managers in charge of top clubs but there is a reason, there isn't really anyone good enough imo. So what Englishman would you replace Mourinho for? Whilst I hate him what Englishman would you replace Wenger for? Van Gaal, well he's not brilliant imo, but not awful, feel abit sorry for Moyes (Despite slagging Moyes off at the time but in comparison...) because Van Gaal hasn't done all that much better - It was a poorer league last year than when Moyes was in charge. Again imo Pellegrini isn't brilliant but again what Englishman would you replace him with, I can think of plenty of managers i'd replace him with but none of them are English, because I can't think of any good enough.
ARM1968 Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 If a manager is good enough he'd get the job, English or not. Multi millionaire n pound franchises require the best, not the most fashionable. BlueSi13 you're sounding a little xenophobic.
fox_favourite Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 A wagering deluge has seen Claudio Ranieri emerge as a surprise favourite to take over from Nigel Pearson as next Leicester City manager. The Italian has more football teams on the ‘clubs managed’ section of his CV than there are in most leagues, yet his only experience of the English game came at Chelsea, where his arrival pre-dated that of Roman Abramovich. Out of work since being sacked by Greece after overseeing a farcical start to Euro 2016 qualification, seeing Ranieri’s name in the running for a Premier League return, with a side forecast to be battling doom in the lower echelons no less, initially strikes as a bizarre move. Recently sacked Leicester manager Nigel Pearson But scratching below the surface reveals the coach whose obsession with squad rotation at Stamford Bridge earned him the nickname ‘the Tinkerman’ is a pretty savvy short-term troubleshooter. His 199 games at the Blues helm was his longest stint in charge to date and in this period he secured the Champions League qualification required to convince Abramovich to invest his billions into the club and steered them to what was a record Premier League finish of second in 2003/04 before being replaced by Jose Mourinho. He returned to Valencia for a second and significantly less successful spell afterwards, before taking the reigns of crisis club Parma in 2007. They sat in the second lowest spot in Serie A upon Ranieri’s appointment, but finished the campaign in 12th having almost trebled their points tally. He transformed Roma from Scudetto no-hopers into near champions in 2009/10, finishing two points behind Mourinho’s Inter team, backed with greater financial power and stocked with world-beating superstars, while two years prior to this he oversaw Juventus’ return to the Champions League after their Serie B exile. A season-long stint at Inter followed, where he took over in late September of 2011/12 after a dire start and took the club to within three points of a top-four finish, before moving to Monaco where, with some slight financial assistance, he masterminded the club’s return to Ligue 1 title contention. This record of shortsighted success and excellent experience is what renders Ranieri a great option for Leicester. The Foxes’ perpetual state of off field turmoil cost them a manager halfway through the summer, meaning pre-season plans have been concocted by a team of people who may well be relieved of duties under the new regime, whereas recruitment has been shelved. Leicester finished the previous season strongly, but another year of battling the drop is in store, yet, while their rivals formulate survival schemes and rationalise how best to use their assets, they’re wasting time looking for a new manager. To combat this, whoever they do appoint must be a veteran deliverer of short-term success, or their 3/1 price for relegation this term will rapidly appreciate in value. Interesting article and very nice theories. If its either O'Neill or Ranieri, I think ay least we would have a good chance of avoiding relegation. Other mentioned I would worry (obviously not Klopp, but that was never going to happen)
Vindaloo FOX Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 this interview was one year ago, i can understand him fine . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-f3Xt6E_r0
BlueSi13 Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Kevin Keegan at Man City? Roy Hodgson at Liverpool? Whilst if we broaden the search abit an say British, there is Rogers at Liverpool (Who will get sacked this season for being shit, mark my words) and Fergie/Moyes at Man Utd, Mark Hughes at Man City. I can't argue against your point that there are no English managers in charge of top clubs but there is a reason, there isn't really anyone good enough imo. So what Englishman would you replace Mourinho for? Whilst I hate him what Englishman would you replace Wenger for? Van Gaal, well he's not brilliant imo, but not awful, feel abit sorry for Moyes (Despite slaggin Moyes off at the time but in comparison...) because Van Gaal hasn't done all that much better - It was a poorer league last year than when Moyes was in charge. Again imo Pellegrini isn't brilliant but again what Englishman would you replace him with, I can think of plenty of managers i'd replace him with but none of them are English, because I can't think of any good enough. Arsene Wenger learnt his craft in the French league where the overwhelming majority of managers are French Jose Mourinho learnt his craft in the Portuguese league where the overwhelming majority of managers are Portuguese Louis Van Gaal learnt his craft in the Dutch league where the overwhelming majority of managers are Dutch Manuel Pellegrini learn his craft in the Chilean league where the overwhelming majority of managers are Chilean They won titles are the top clubs in this countries. The cream was allowed to rise. English managers will never have those opportunities in this country ever again. So as for not being good enough, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. Fact is we'll never know as I truly doubt we'll see an English manager of Chelsea, Manchester United or Arsenal etc for a long LONG time.
BlueSi13 Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 If a manager is good enough he'd get the job, English or not. Multi millionaire n pound franchises require the best, not the most fashionable. BlueSi13 you're sounding a little xenophobic. Behave.
Donut Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 Arsene Wenger learnt his craft in the French league where the overwhelming majority of managers are French Jose Mourinho learnt his craft in the Portuguese league where the overwhelming majority of managers are Portuguese Louis Van Gaal learnt his craft in the Dutch league where the overwhelming majority of managers are Dutch Manuel Pellegrini learn his craft in the Chilean league where the overwhelming majority of managers are Chilean They won titles are the top clubs in this countries. The cream was allowed to rise. English managers will never have those opportunities in this country ever again. So as for not being good enough, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. Fact is we'll never know as I truly doubt we'll see an English manager of Chelsea, Manchester United or Arsenal etc for a long LONG time. And a French, Portuguese, Dutch or Chilean club wouldnt appoint a manager from another country if they felt he was better? Its not about denying home managers a chance or favouring foreign managers, its about picking the best man for the job, wherever hes from.
Xen Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 If a manager is good enough he'd get the job, English or not. Multi millionaire n pound franchises require the best, not the most fashionable. BlueSi13 you're sounding a little xenophobic. Leave me out of this...
Grey Fox Posted 12 July 2015 Posted 12 July 2015 A wagering deluge has seen Claudio Ranieri emerge as a surprise favourite to take over from Nigel Pearson as next Leicester City manager. The Italian has more football teams on the ‘clubs managed’ section of his CV than there are in most leagues, yet his only experience of the English game came at Chelsea, where his arrival pre-dated that of Roman Abramovich. Out of work since being sacked by Greece after overseeing a farcical start to Euro 2016 qualification, seeing Ranieri’s name in the running for a Premier League return, with a side forecast to be battling doom in the lower echelons no less, initially strikes as a bizarre move. Recently sacked Leicester manager Nigel Pearson But scratching below the surface reveals the coach whose obsession with squad rotation at Stamford Bridge earned him the nickname ‘the Tinkerman’ is a pretty savvy short-term troubleshooter. His 199 games at the Blues helm was his longest stint in charge to date and in this period he secured the Champions League qualification required to convince Abramovich to invest his billions into the club and steered them to what was a record Premier League finish of second in 2003/04 before being replaced by Jose Mourinho. He returned to Valencia for a second and significantly less successful spell afterwards, before taking the reigns of crisis club Parma in 2007. They sat in the second lowest spot in Serie A upon Ranieri’s appointment, but finished the campaign in 12th having almost trebled their points tally. He transformed Roma from Scudetto no-hopers into near champions in 2009/10, finishing two points behind Mourinho’s Inter team, backed with greater financial power and stocked with world-beating superstars, while two years prior to this he oversaw Juventus’ return to the Champions League after their Serie B exile. A season-long stint at Inter followed, where he took over in late September of 2011/12 after a dire start and took the club to within three points of a top-four finish, before moving to Monaco where, with some slight financial assistance, he masterminded the club’s return to Ligue 1 title contention. This record of shortsighted success and excellent experience is what renders Ranieri a great option for Leicester. The Foxes’ perpetual state of off field turmoil cost them a manager halfway through the summer, meaning pre-season plans have been concocted by a team of people who may well be relieved of duties under the new regime, whereas recruitment has been shelved. Leicester finished the previous season strongly, but another year of battling the drop is in store, yet, while their rivals formulate survival schemes and rationalise how best to use their assets, they’re wasting time looking for a new manager. To combat this, whoever they do appoint must be a veteran deliverer of short-term success, or their 3/1 price for relegation this term will rapidly appreciate in value. A bit of an exaggeration don't you think?
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