Vardy and England

[Leicesterpool]

Notice how press can't wait to jump on Vardy's back or in fact any player that doesn't play for a top six club. They feel the England team is made for just top six clubs, also for the southern lads aswell.

[BigMicky]

Notice how press can't wait to jump on Vardy's back or in fact any player that doesn't play for a top six club. They feel the England team is made for just top six clubs, also for the southern lads aswell.

Why bother reading anything in the press about England? Build you up and then kick and piss on you when your down. Utter cretins

[filbertstreet]

I always get that feeling that Vardy is just not been made welcome to the england team, every time there's any pictures or videos recorded of the england squad training or in the dressing room... while the others are together and laughing. Vardy is always the one that is on his own.

[The Doctor]

England fans I were speaking to out there all rate him.

Anyone hear us singing his name at the game?

 

I heard someone singing Jamie Vardy's having a party on the TV - I'm guessing that was you and your lot?

[Guest safetosurfthisbeach]

I heard it. Good work.

[kyleolly]

heard about 3 people singing it

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Your ten game run has been against, let's face it pathetic opposition. England's friendlies will be a horrible wake up call, France (my favourites to win) will tear you a new one, Spain will methodically tear you a new one, we shall tactically tear you a new one in Berlin, and when it comes to the euros you'll end up in the easiest group, somehow crawl out of it and then get shafted in the first round of knockouts.

 

 

We're devoid of creativity and I'm not keen on Roy whatsoever but we very, very rarely get 'torn a new one' (if we actually have at all) under Hodgson. If anything the one thing this group shines at is completely spoiling games. Sitting back, no risk taking.

 

It'd surprise me if we lost all of the friendlies, let alone got rinsed in them all.

[gregdj]

not sure if this has been covered, from Saints-web 2012, see post #42

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?35473-saints-to-win-race-to-sign-Jamie-Vardy&highlight=vardy

[The Year Of The Fox]

I heard someone singing Jamie Vardy's having a party on the TV - I'm guessing that was you and your lot?

No they weren't even Leicester I don't think

[Guest]

As much as I'd love to see all the form players involved in each squad think a lot of people are overlooking the importance of a bit of cohesion to get us actually playing like a team. Managers bang on every year about how they need their new signings to gel, imagine if every time a player was really stepping up his game in the Premier League for a month or two before an International break they just picked them. It would be detrimental.

 

Do you really think that the England players gel because they've played together (some of them) 3 months before? Really you're giving an argument for selection of players from the "big 4/6" teams. those players would better know each other.

 

Personally I'd prefer to play the in-form players - team tactics and style taken into account - and they can gel during the 2 or 3 days before internationals and the weeks before a big tournament as much as possible.

[Captain...]

Do you really think that the England players gel because they've played together (some of them) 3 months before? Really you're giving an argument for selection of players from the "big 4/6" teams. those players would better know each other.

 

Personally I'd prefer to play the in-form players - team tactics and style taken into account - and they can gel during the 2 or 3 days before internationals and the weeks before a big tournament as much as possible.

 

But it's not just 3 months before, it is at club level and through the England ranks, look  at someone like Clyne, new to the England set up, but has played with Lallana, Chambers, Shaw, at Southampton, now plays with Milner, Henderson, Sturridge at Liverpool, he has also played at  England U21 and U19 with Kane, Sterling and others.

 

He is going to fit in a lot more and gel a lot  quicker than Drinkwater, who might have said hi to Rooney while at United, or Vardy who will only know them from winding them up on the pitch.

[Guest]

But it's not just 3 months before, it is at club level and through the England ranks, look  at someone like Clyne, new to the England set up, but has played with Lallana, Chambers, Shaw, at Southampton, now plays with Milner, Henderson, Sturridge at Liverpool, he has also played at  England U21 and U19 with Kane, Sterling and others.

 

He is going to fit in a lot more and gel a lot  quicker than Drinkwater, who might have said hi to Rooney while at United, or Vardy who will only know them from winding them up on the pitch.

 

Personally think that's bollox but if it's the case then let's just choose players from the big 4.

[Captain...]

Personally think that's bollox but if it's the case then let's just choose players from the big 4.

 

It's not bollox, it's just a fact, a player like Clyne is going to fit in a lot more easily than Vardy.

 

This doesn't mean we should only pick these players, we need to find a way to give them more time with the squad, B team matches, non playing get togethers etc.

[Guest]

It's not bollox, it's just a fact, a player like Clyne is going to fit in a lot more easily than Vardy.

 

This doesn't mean we should only pick these players, we need to find a way to give them more time with the squad, B team matches, non playing get togethers etc.

 

Really it shouldn't take too long for players to "fit in" at international level.

[RonnieTodger]

No they weren't even Leicester I don't think

 

That sounded like it was coming from behind the goal where England fans got tickets in the home end. 

[Captain...]

Really it shouldn't take too long for players to "fit in" at international level.

 

Have you not seen how long it takes players to fit in at  Leicester, Vardy and Drinkwater both struggled to find their feet in their first full season at Leicester, and in then again in the Prem, same can be said of Mahrez, you don't just rock up to a new side and play your best football, especially one that plays in a  very different way to what  you are used to.

[MattyFromLE]

I don't think Vardy has disgraced himself to be honest. Wrong system, and wrong opponents for him really. That said, he didn't waste the ball when he did get it, unlike Oxlade-Chamberlain, who other than his goal was wasteful. Pretty much no point in playing him if you're going to shove him out on the wing, or not play to his strengths. It'd be like shoving Barkley in goal.

[Manwell Pablo]

We're devoid of creativity and I'm not keen on Roy whatsoever but we very, very rarely get 'torn a new one' (if we actually have at all) under Hodgson. If anything the one thing this group shines at is completely spoiling games. Sitting back, no risk taking.

 

It'd surprise me if we lost all of the friendlies, let alone got rinsed in them all.

 

Roy's record is fantastic, think he's lost about 5 games in coming up to about 50 (pens not withstanding). All to pretty decent sides.

 

Just unfortunately two of them were rather big games at a World Cup Finals.

Have you not seen how long it takes players to fit in at  Leicester, Vardy and Drinkwater both struggled to find their feet in their first full season at Leicester, and in then again in the Prem, same can be said of Mahrez, you don't just rock up to a new side and play your best football, especially one that plays in a  very different way to what  you are used to.

 

Yeah I agree and Vardy is one who has demonstrated he needs time to adjust, time he wont get at international level.

[Guest]

Have you not seen how long it takes players to fit in at  Leicester, Vardy and Drinkwater both struggled to find their feet in their first full season at Leicester, and in then again in the Prem, same can be said of Mahrez, you don't just rock up to a new side and play your best football, especially one that plays in a  very different way to what  you are used to.

 

And yet you think that because some kid played in the u19s with a couple of others in the senior side he should be able to fit in playing for a different manager and a different scheme at full international level.

 

You can't have it both ways.

 

It can't be easy enough to translate your game to a totally different age range and coaching scheme but not easy to translate your prem game to the international game.

 

I'm arguing that it's no more difficult for a talented pro footballer to adjust his game to a different international scheme than for a young inexperienced guy to adjust to a higher international level.

[Captain...]

And yet you think that because some kid played in the u19s with a couple of others in the senior side he should be able to fit in playing for a different manager and a different scheme at full international level.

 

You can't have it both ways.

 

It can't be easy enough to translate your game to a totally different age range and coaching scheme but not easy to translate your prem game to the international game.

 

I'm arguing that it's no more difficult for a talented pro footballer to adjust his game to a different international scheme than for a young inexperienced guy to adjust to a higher international level.

 

That is not my point at all, my point is someone like Clyne and Kane who has played with half the squad at club level and England youth level will fit in a lot easier than Vardy who hasn't.

[polarbear]

That is not my point at all, my point is someone like Clyne and Kane who has played with half the squad at club level and England youth level will fit in a lot easier than Vardy who hasn't.

unless you mean having that chemistry and know how with those players

[Guest]

That is not my point at all, my point is someone like Clyne and Kane who has played with half the squad at club level and England youth level will fit in a lot easier than Vardy who hasn't.

 

okay

[Captain...]

unless you mean having that chemistry and know how with those players

 

Of course, on and off the pitch, feeling comfortable in the  England set-up, with people you have played  with  before is a big way towards feeling confident on the pitch and in training and being able to play your own game.

 

The mental  preparation for a football match at the highest level is just as important as the physical, Vardy looked lost  at times and not comfortable nor able to play his own game, and his team mates didn't know how to play to his strengths.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Said it earlier but I get the impression that it's almost like he feels that he has to. It's a well-known criticism of England and whilst this'll sound very cynical, I get the feeling he picks the odd one to actually shut people up a bit. I mean, did people really think that he was trying to make the most of Vardy? No-one can watch Vardy, not even for one game, and claim that standing off on the wing is his best game. It would be utter madness.

 

Yeah, he's picked Vardy, yeah, he's started him twice, and granted Vardy didn't deliver either time - but did we actually try and help him deliver? No chance.

 

Your club is definitely a big factor unfortunately. If Scott Dann played for Chelsea and Gary Cahill played for Palace there's only one of them in the England squad and it certainly isn't the one who's actually there.

I think that's a bit harsh tbh, Hodgson has actually been rather good with his selections and his inital call up of Vardy got mass criticism and he took a huge gamble, if he wanted to do as you suggest all he needed to do was call up Austin. Vardy actually ended up repaying the faith Hodgson had put in him and continued to perform at club level but he just didn't really take his opportunity. Being out of position isn't really an excuse when you're playing against the likes of San Marino and Lithuania tbqh, the only reason he couldn't displace Kane is because Kane was given the opportunity and Kane took it and has actually been a success in the England set up, despite how lukewarm he's been at club level for sometime and Vardy just doesn't have the IT factor to dethrone him, nor has he got time on his side. 

[filbertway]

Of course, on and off the pitch, feeling comfortable in the  England set-up, with people you have played  with  before is a big way towards feeling confident on the pitch and in training and being able to play your own game.

 

The mental  preparation for a football match at the highest level is just as important as the physical, Vardy looked lost  at times and not comfortable nor able to play his own game, and his team mates didn't know how to play to his strengths.

 

Don't know why you're giving him time of day, he's clearly on the wind up. You can tell be how inhibited Vardy is that he doesn't seem to think he belongs there yet or has been accepted into the fold. So weird to see him not playing with his usual style.