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The Year Of The Fox

Vardy and England

By The Year Of The Fox, in Leicester City Forum

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Wymsey

Wymsey

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Don't understand Hodgson.

He said he was impressed with Vardy a few weeks back, but plays him in a position that has been mentioned before in a wide area that doesn't suit his attributes.

TJB-fox

TJB-fox

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So apparently Gary Cahill isn't good enough for England now, Jesus Christ. If you're going on the basis that he's gone through a run of bad form, then the England squad will be 15 players different every time it's picked! (Although I agree Dann should be given a shot)

Dan

Dan

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I think that's a bit harsh tbh, Hodgson has actually been rather good with his selections and his inital call up of Vardy got mass criticism and he took a huge gamble, if he wanted to do as you suggest all he needed to do was call up Austin. Vardy actually ended up repaying the faith Hodgson had put in him and continued to perform at club level but he just didn't really take his opportunity. Being out of position isn't really an excuse when you're playing against the likes of San Marino and Lithuania tbqh, the only reason he couldn't displace Kane is because Kane was given the opportunity and Kane took it and has actually been a success in the England set up, despite how lukewarm he's been at club level for sometime and Vardy just doesn't have the IT factor to dethrone him, nor has he got time on his side. 

 

I can definitely see what you mean and it probably is harsh - I just don't get how you can be so impressed with him at club level then try to get him doing something very different when you actually use him. Hodgson has not helped Vardy one bit by playing him out of position and by instructing him to stand off.

 

Vardy doesn't fit England's slow build-up style. If they're willing to change it every now and then, then it'd be worth calling him up. I don't think he will though.

Bettsj2

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I think if he keeps playing well in the league and scoring for fun he'll get in to a friendly squad or two, but will he ever get ahead of Kane/Walcott/Sturridge/Rooney as the lone striker? Probably not, even if he scored 25 goals this season.

No. Its been great for us and Vards up until he's got on the pitch.

Foxhateram

Foxhateram

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I really don't understand why we play the way we do. We have players who would suit a counter attacking game, Walcott, Sterling, vardy, Lallana, Welbeck (to hold up the ball), or even Rooney would play some great balls round the back of defences. That is a pretty rapid set of players, why doesn't woy give them the freedom to run?

The slow build up doesn't suit us anymore and most teams at this level are moving away from it and replacing it with high pressure, one touch football. We need to change soon, or risk yet again being left behind.

Guest ttfn

Guest ttfn

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I really don't understand why we play the way we do. We have players who would suit a counter attacking game, Walcott, Sterling, vardy, Lallana, Welbeck (to hold up the ball), or even Rooney would play some great balls round the back of defences. That is a pretty rapid set of players, why doesn't woy give them the freedom to run?

The slow build up doesn't suit us anymore and most teams at this level are moving away from it and replacing it with high pressure, one touch football. We need to change soon, or risk yet again being left behind.

This is the problem with the qualifying campaign for teams like England (ie should qualify easily but can't compete technically with the very best).

Switzerland aside England played in a group where basically nobody had a go at them and just sat back hoping to nick a 0-0 or 1-1. England had no choice but to dictate the game in those instances (rather than counter-attacking).

The real test of hodgson's view of the strengths of this England team will come when 2 things happen:

1) We play these "prestige" friendlies against Spain, Germany etc.

2) Daniel Sturridge is available again. On the rare occasions that Sturridge isn't injured he's one of probably only 2 players (Hart being the other) that even enter the conversation about being one of the best 5 or 10 in the world in their respective positions.

Captain...

Captain...

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This is the problem with the qualifying campaign for teams like England (ie should qualify easily but can't compete technically with the very best).

Switzerland aside England played in a group where basically nobody had a go at them and just sat back hoping to nick a 0-0 or 1-1. England had no choice but to dictate the game in those instances (rather than counter-attacking).

The real test of hodgson's view of the strengths of this England team will come when 2 things happen:

1) We play these "prestige" friendlies against Spain, Germany etc.

2) Daniel Sturridge is available again. On the rare occasions that Sturridge isn't injured he's one of probably only 2 players (Hart being the other) that even enter the conversation about being one of the best 5 or 10 in the world in their respective positions.

 

I get that argument, but we should still be looking for that quick break, every time we win the ball first option should be look up, is the break on, where is the space, can anyone exploit it. Even Estonia and Lithuania came  forwards a few times, but as soon as we won the ball we played it backwards, not even looking for a break or any space to exploit. In those games we might as well try and spring a quick break, play it in front of Walcott/Vardy/Sterling/Ox give them something to run on to and use their  pace.

 

So what if you lose the ball, we are not going to get much space when we have the ball, let them have the ball push forwards and then try and win it back in a good position with Walcott/Vardy hovering for the quick break. 

 

This will also stand us in good  stead against the better teams, I said before every team is vulnerable to a quick counter when they lose the ball, and we have the players with the pace to exploit it. Our tactics should be win the ball in midfield, is the break on? No, is Barkley free? Yes - get the ball to him, he has the passing ability and vision to release players. Don't waste the ball trying to thread the eye of a needle, especially against better teams, so if there is no space or the break isn't on then we can play it backwards and prod and probe, but first instinct should be to look for that quick break.

ThaiFox

ThaiFox

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Might have already been posted here as I haven't read the whole 60 page thread, but after yesterday, I feel Vardy will go backwards being with the England team. The first 10 minutes yesterday he was back in Leicester mode. Then he went into England mode and looked nothing like the player we know. At half time I reckon he went into the dressing room and there was no Woy telling him 'how to play', and he came out second half remembering he was actually playing for a decent team, who love the way he plays.

Guest ttfn

Guest ttfn

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It was only 8 months ago that he came on at Everton away and I groaned (and I know I wasn't the only one). He wasn't a particularly good option for a side which was bottom of the league by miles and couldn't buy a goal.

Incredible transformation.

Collymore

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I heard two Talksport presenters arguing over his potential value last night. One put him at £40m and the other put him at £20m. The one who said £40m said "if you were Liverpool manager who'd you start if both fit Benteke or Vardy?" "Vardy was the reply "Would Vardy start for Manu United next game?" "yes" was the reply. Would he walk into the Everton team "yes" the reply. 

 

They kind of then agreed if Benteke went for £33m Vardy must be worth at least that.

 

it was really good to hear neutral fans getting excited over Vardy too with some predicting he's going to be the one who will show this PL form in the England team. It's so bizarre to think that just a few years a go many of us (including me) questioned if he was good enough for the Championship!

EGBFitness

EGBFitness

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Always liked Vardy and could see he had something even with his first year struggle.

He gives his everything to the team and is probably our most important player.

Would love to see some of the posters on here who last Jan was saying they would accept £5 for him and personally drive him to WBA lol

Would love to see him at the Euros for England.

st albans fox

st albans fox

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Bit of a false argument though - valuation is based on a lot more than current form. vardy's age and wages will limit his transfer valuation.

having had an insight into the England 'cliques', will be interesting to know if he has any desire to move to a 'bigger club'.

Collymore

Collymore

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Bit of a false argument though - valuation is based on a lot more than current form. vardy's age and wages will limit his transfer valuation.

having had an insight into the England 'cliques', will be interesting to know if he has any desire to move to a 'bigger club'.

Exactly, 28 - 30 is the prime years so you'd pay extra for instant success!

Tuna

Tuna

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Hopefully Woy will see the virtues of playing Vardy in his correct position. Wasted a perfectly good opportunity by choosing to stick him out wide against Lithuania.

 

May as well have played Barkley at Left Back and Butland in Centre Mid.

Rob1742

Rob1742

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With regards to Vards, his biggest asset is the way he has learnt as he has got older and managed to become a much better player during every new stage.

His first year in the championship wasn't great, yet he learnt, worked hard and then became an excellent player in that league.

Last season in the prem he was okay, but again has learnt and this season he has been excellent.

Not sure though his game suits England. It is a totally different way of playing that doesn't currently suit his style of play.

Can Vards adapt to it, like he has to the last two big challenges? I personally don't think so.

One thing though, I am not knocking him for it, as I would much prefer to see England play to his strengths, rather than him having to adapt to England.

Watching England is dull, boring and not worth watching. Watching Vards play for Leicester though is a totally different and exciting proposition

The Doctor

The Doctor

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having had an insight into the England 'cliques', will be interesting to know if he has any desire to move to a 'bigger club'.

 

I'd imagine the way he's worked himself up through the leagues will give him a fair bit of grounding, so I'd not be as concerned as if it were someone who had only ever been a fulltime footballer.

Guest Col city fan

Guest Col city fan

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The second goal yesterday was vintage Vardy and the only way to play him if you going to include him in the England team.

Off the shoulder of the last defender, little ball slipped through for him to use his pace, get free and finish.

Where he's improved is a couple of season's ago he'd have smashed that shot at the keepers legs.

I maintain, as a defender I can think of very few strikers I'd least like to mark than Vardy.

Kane would be much easier to stop.

martyn

martyn

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Just had 5 minutes talking about Vardy on MNF. Neville eulogising about how good he is, Carragher chimes in "Makes you wonder why England keep playing him left wing".

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