Captain... Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Why is Drinkwater not even in the reckoning? He's been as good as any other English central midfielder this season IMO. I think it's because he plays for Leicester........ We still can't get over this nonsense in terms of players in the England squad have to generally come from the so-called 'bigger clubs'. And Roy (although he does occasionally give other players a little go, is not really any different. Personally. If I were England manager I'd play the most on-form players and the ones champing at the bit to impress. Regardless of who they played for. You just know that, subject to fitness, the starting line up in France is going to include Rooney, Sturridge, Cahill and Lallana. Betcha.... Do you really think Drinkwater would thrive in the England set-up, he is very much a confidence player and has had as many bad periods as good. Being successful at national level is not just about ability, it is also about mental strength and confidence, which is why someone like Townsend gets in England squads because when he had the chance to play for England he took, he wasn't overawed, he didn't go into his shell and he didn't bottle it. His form may have dipped at club level, but both he and Hodgson believe he belongs in the England team and it shows. This is also way players from bigger clubs are preferred if you can perform in a title challenging side or a team in the champions league you are more likely to feel at home in the international set-up. This is the clearest thing about Vardy's performances he doesn't feel like he belongs and is trying to hard to not make a mistake, he is nullifying himself, Townsend got his chance went out and played like it was a kick about in the park, taking people on, having a few long range shots and was the difference maker in those games.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 As much as I'd love to see all the form players involved in each squad think a lot of people are overlooking the importance of a bit of cohesion to get us actually playing like a team. Managers bang on every year about how they need their new signings to gel, imagine if every time a player was really stepping up his game in the Premier League for a month or two before an International break they just picked them. It would be detrimental.
Larry_LCFC Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 If vardy continues as he is and scores another 15 goals this season, then what? Can we really not take a 20+ goal player?
Guest Col city fan Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Do you really think Drinkwater would thrive in the England set-up, he is very much a confidence player and has had as many bad periods as good. Being successful at national level is not just about ability, it is also about mental strength and confidence, which is why someone like Townsend gets in England squads because when he had the chance to play for England he took, he wasn't overawed, he didn't go into his shell and he didn't bottle it. His form may have dipped at club level, but both he and Hodgson believe he belongs in the England team and it shows. This is also way players from bigger clubs are preferred if you can perform in a title challenging side or a team in the champions league you are more likely to feel at home in the international set-up. This is the clearest thing about Vardy's performances he doesn't feel like he belongs and is trying to hard to not make a mistake, he is nullifying himself, Townsend got his chance went out and played like it was a kick about in the park, taking people on, having a few long range shots and was the difference maker in those games. Then you are perpetuating the status quo. How can you tell if you never try? And I'm betting England over the years have had many players who don't 'fit in' socially, or have oodles of self-confidence. Roy has had ample opportunity to try out more players than he has done during this campaign. Put it this way...how has doing it your way (or the way you are proposing with a certain type of player) resulted in ANY success at international level for decades? I don't think it has, do you?
Sampson Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Do you guys think Jamie Vardy will go to the Euro's ahead of the four strikers in strong contention? I mean Kane, Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck are the main four. Plus Walcott right behind them. Also, who do you think will win the tournament? Place your bets on Betfect and see how you do, especially for tonight's European football!! https://betfect.com/ You might add Jay Rodriguez to that as well if he gets back fit and scoring. Vardy is 6th or 7th choice striker when everyone is fit really. There's very little chance of him going to France really, unless he scores 25 league goals for us this season or something silly.
Dan Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I don't hate Kane but the hype around him is utterly cringeworthy and completely typical of the London-centric media.
Matt Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I want Vardy to be successful for us and I want him to play and be successful with England but the way England use him I'd rather he wasn't selected again, what's the point when they're not gonna use him to his potential? And whilst it's easy for me to sit here and say this and in reality it wouldn't happen (And I wouldn't expect him to do it - he would be stupid to do it) but i'd have to pull Woy to one side and tell him to shove it, like I said it's easy me to say, i'll never get a chance to play for England but they way Vardy has been used is so frustrating for me, god knows how frustrated Vardy himself must be with the situation. I was getting to the point where i'd properly lost interest in England, then Vardy got selected and I took interest again but I think i'm finally done with England.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I want Vardy to be successful for us and I want him to play and be successful with England but the way England use him I'd rather he wasn't selected again, what's the point when they're not gonna use him to his potential? And whilst it's easy for me to sit here and say this and in reality it wouldn't happen (And I wouldn't expect him to do it - he would be stupid to do it) but i'd have to pull Woy to one side and tell him to shove it, like I said it's easy me to say, i'll never get a chance to play for England but they way Vardy has been used is so frustrating for me, god knows how frustrated Vardy himself must be with the situation. I was getting to the point where i'd properly lost interest in England, then Vardy got selected and I took interest again but I think i'm finally done with England. Scholes was regularly played out of position, and he was our best midfielder, England never really got the best out of him... just something that England managers like to do for odd reasons...
Dickov22 Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 If this how we feel about Vardy being played out of position for England, I would love to have seen a Man United forum when Scholes, England's most creative player at the time, was constantly played out of position for England. Thanks to Sven
Donut Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Thanks to Sven Was an out of position Scholes still better than our other options in that position though? Thinking back, i cant really remember us having a top class left sided player in those days, we even experimented quite a bit with Heskey on the left side. It might have been that an out of position Scholes was the best we had.
Guest Col city fan Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Was an out of position Scholes still better than our other options in that position though? Thinking back, i cant really remember us having a top class left sided player in those days, we even experimented quite a bit with Heskey on the left side. It might have been that an out of position Scholes was the best we had. Many have said over the years that's been England's biggest problem. The lack of a Giggs or a Bale down the left side. If Thracian had his way it should have been that lad he bangs on about..name escapes me.. Shame Schlupp ain't English (and I'm being genuine)....
filbertstreet Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Many have said over the years that's been England's biggest problem. The lack of a Giggs or a Bale down the left side. If Thracian had his way it should have been that lad he bangs on about..name escapes me.. Shame Schlupp ain't English (and I'm being genuine).... Have you heard Jeff speak? He don't sound foreign
Matt Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Have you heard Jeff speak? He don't sound foreign Jeff Schlupp was born in Hamburg, Germany to Ghanaian parents. Schlupp and his family later moved to England when he was young.[3] Schlupp attended Oakgrove School in Milton Keynes According to Wikipedia
justfoxes Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I thought Jamie had poor service to him last night many times we had too many glory hunters shooting on sight and not really giving Vards a chance really to run at the defence or play his usual game !! Be good to see though how we handle quality teams in November playing the likes of the Spanish!
Donut Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I thought Jamie had poor service to him last night many times we had too many glory hunters shooting on sight and not really giving Vards a chance really to run at the defence or play his usual game !! Be good to see though how we handle quality teams in November playing the likes of the Spanish! Its simply a case of a player not fitting into a system. It doesnt mean that Vardy is a bad player, it doesnt mean that Kane is a bad player either. Of the 4 likely "strikers" they all add something different..... Kane is a big man who can play up front and bring other people into play, Sturridge is the most natural finisher when fit. Welbeck has a quality goals ratio for England and doesnt mind a stint out on the left side of a 3 if needed. And Rooney is the tallisman and the best we have of playing the number 10 role. Put Walcott into the equation too who could play uptop or on the right side of a 3, there are players that fit what Woy wants to do quite well. Thats in no way against Vardy, his qualities are obvious. But he needs 20+ goals this season, basically to make it impossible for him not to be picked, in order to be on the plane to France you feel.
BigMicky Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I thought Jamie had poor service to him last night many times we had too many glory hunters shooting on sight and not really giving Vards a chance really to run at the defence or play his usual game !! Be good to see though how we handle quality teams in November playing the likes of the Spanish! Poor service? Vardy's positional sense last night was poor. He didn't 'hug the touchline' far too congested where he was for the majority of the game. As for the ox, he had better positional sense and saw more of the ball although he was gash when he had it. I felt for Vardy, love the guy and thought he was brilliant in a defensive sense.
Corky Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Vardy isn't going to play as the head of the team, he had the chance to be after Kane went off and Hodgson just moved him over to the right. If he plays for England it's likely to be on the left side in a more defensive nature.
Captain... Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Then you are perpetuating the status quo. How can you tell if you never try? And I'm betting England over the years have had many players who don't 'fit in' socially, or have oodles of self-confidence. Roy has had ample opportunity to try out more players than he has done during this campaign. Put it this way...how has doing it your way (or the way you are proposing with a certain type of player) resulted in ANY success at international level for decades? I don't think it has, do you? I'm not saying it is right, but you have a few days with these players every other month, to get players like Vardy, Drinkwater to integrate into the squad isn't easy, whereas players who play for one of the big 6 and/or have progressed through the England youth ranks are much more at home in that environment. It always seems like they don't have enough time together and integrating someone from an unfashionable club who isn't going to be in the first team long term is difficult. I would like to see England B matches make a come back where fringe players can be experimented with and brought into the England fold, other than that I can't see the England set up changing much.
biggs Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 OX, Walcott and the like play for teams that tiptoe around the 18yd box. Vardy plays a fast paced counter attack game with Leicester. One would expect him to look awkward playing out of position in a slow build up. Not sure why he would be selected in games that don't suit his style of play. Roy and his cohorts should have better skills at player selection based on the opponent and the expectation of how the game will flow. This match was obviously going to have England with superior possession with much of the play in the oppositions last third of the pitch. Not suited to Vardy's style of play at all and it showed.
Dan Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Why is Drinkwater not even in the reckoning? He's been as good as any other English central midfielder this season IMO. I think it's because he plays for Leicester........ We still can't get over this nonsense in terms of players in the England squad have to generally come from the so-called 'bigger clubs'. And Roy (although he does occasionally give other players a little go, is not really any different. Personally. If I were England manager I'd play the most on-form players and the ones champing at the bit to impress. Regardless of who they played for. You just know that, subject to fitness, the starting line up in France is going to include Rooney, Sturridge, Cahill and Lallana. Betcha.... Said it earlier but I get the impression that it's almost like he feels that he has to. It's a well-known criticism of England and whilst this'll sound very cynical, I get the feeling he picks the odd one to actually shut people up a bit. I mean, did people really think that he was trying to make the most of Vardy? No-one can watch Vardy, not even for one game, and claim that standing off on the wing is his best game. It would be utter madness. Yeah, he's picked Vardy, yeah, he's started him twice, and granted Vardy didn't deliver either time - but did we actually try and help him deliver? No chance. Your club is definitely a big factor unfortunately. If Scott Dann played for Chelsea and Gary Cahill played for Palace there's only one of them in the England squad and it certainly isn't the one who's actually there.
mundella boy Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Vardy is very good on the counter attack, but if the team your playing does not attack then not much counter attacking to be had.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 13 October 2015 Author Posted 13 October 2015 England fans I were speaking to out there all rate him. Anyone hear us singing his name at the game?
Wymsey Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 He should be at the peak of his career. He is with us, and that's more important than for an international team with many of the players not taking the honour to play for their country seriously.
Leicesterpool Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I always get that feeling that Vardy is just not been made welcome to the england team, every time there's any pictures or videos recorded of the england squad training or in the dressing room... while the others are together and laughing. Vardy is always the one that is on his own.
Guest Col city fan Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Said it earlier but I get the impression that it's almost like he feels that he has to. It's a well-known criticism of England and whilst this'll sound very cynical, I get the feeling he picks the odd one to actually shut people up a bit. I mean, did people really think that he was trying to make the most of Vardy? No-one can watch Vardy, not even for one game, and claim that standing off on the wing is his best game. It would be utter madness. Yeah, he's picked Vardy, yeah, he's started him twice, and granted Vardy didn't deliver either time - but did we actually try and help him deliver? No chance. Your club is definitely a big factor unfortunately. If Scott Dann played for Chelsea and Gary Cahill played for Palace there's only one of them in the England squad and it certainly isn't the one who's actually there. Completely agree.
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