thybluefox Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Unfortunately, I think that may well be it for Jamie now, though I really feel he's not been given a fair crack. The style of England's play will never suit a player like him.
Dan Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I love Vardy but he was really poor I thought. I think if you've played football, you know how difficult it is to be played out of position. Doesn't matter what level you're at, it's still so hard to adapt. Roy isn't giving him much of a chance. It's almost as if he thought by leaving him on for the full 90, he then becomes exempt from any criticism that he 'hasn't given him ample opportunity'. Actually, he'd have done him more favours if he'd subbed him off. Vardy was poor though and it's unsurprising to see England fans who aren't Leicester fans criticising him, saying he's out of his depth. He's just not the same player we see on any level. The aggression is gone, he seems scared to shoot or run with the ball, he's completely disciplined in keeping his position when we don't have the ball etc etc. I thought he was dross. I don't know what people's problem is with Kane? Id rather we picked him than Rooney on current form. He's so hungry, looks to shoot at every opportunity and is young and still learning. If he can start scoring for Spurs (which he will) then he's a dead cert for the Euros. Totally agree. I got the impression that Hodgson was fitting him in because he felt like he had to. He just isn't the same player at all for England.
HesNotGudjonsonn2 Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I don't know if this has been covered but it just makes no sense to me and maybe someone who is a Journalist can explain. I have read a lot of the reviews from last night and the consistent comment is that Jamie Vardy is not good enough for this level and it is too much of a step up. Now, I would possibly accept that as a reason for less than great performances if he was playing the likes of Spain, Germany, Brazil etc... He has played against Rep of Ireland, Estonia, San Marino and Lithuania, the defenders he has played against generally play at a much lower level than he is used to playing against. So I just simply don't understand how it can be stated he is not good enough for a level when the level is lower than he is usually playing at week in week out. Can they just not say that whilst he is played out of position and in a different style than he is used to then he will not be the player he is for his club. Therefore, don't pick him and risk injury. Also, the whole team was having issues with the pace of the pitch last night, it was bobbling off them all. So Journo's, what do your fellow reporters mean when they say it is a level too high and how do they justify this?
AKCJ Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 It's stuff like this that pisses me a off. Kane didn't do an awful lot last night and he did bugger all against Estonia. Apparently you only need to hit a few hard shots straight at the keeper against a team made up of bankers and bin men to become England's Number 9.
Captain... Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 The best thing about all this is that Vardy will never leave us for another club, as we have built a team that plays to his and our strengths, if he goes to a Spurs/Liverpool/Everton/Southampton it will be very similar to his frustrating time for England.
NewquayFox Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 As long as Vardy is fit and available for Leicester City i will be a happy man, no better sight than seeing him in full flight charging at the two central defenders, England wont use him like that, their loss.... Up the City
shen Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Sadly, I think Vardy's road to the Euros got a bit longer yesterday. I imagine Roy Hodgson will use close to his best XI in the upcoming friendlies and Vardy can hope for 15 mins tops if he gets selected. Again, hardly enough time to impress and oust Welbeck or Sturridge.
Fox Ulike Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I think the frustration just got to him last night. It's just a waste of a cap. He's never going to be an international class left-sided player. Bizarre that he's asked to play the same role as Alex Oxlade Chamberlain, and is now suffering by comparison with international players who have played wide all their careers. Kane played well last night but we all know : he's also no good when played wide. England clearly have much better options on the left wing. In fact, Leicester City have much better options on the left-wing. Same old problem for England, just trying to jam as many big-name players into the side as possible and not picking a team of players who compliment each other. If Hodgson is short of a wide player he could do worse than give Albrighton a go. Complete waste of four caps to pick an out-and-out striker and play him wide.
inckley fox Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 I'm not sure it's possible to see Vardy excelling against world class defenders week in, week out, in his correct position and then looking below par in one game against far weaker opposition, in the wrong position, and come to any other conclusion than that he was played out of position. And he wasn't the only player who looked uncomfortable. In fact Oxlade-Chamberlain looked quite out of sorts on the other wing, which suggests that the 4-3-3 still doesn't work for England more than it suggests that Vardy or whoever else just isn't up to the standard of third-tier-level Lithuanian opposition. Maybe 4-3-3 would work if you played men who knew the system well, and their role within it, but I'm really not sure that you can have a great deal of international success introducing a new system and a new position to players, not in the limited time you have to prepare for a tournament. It's a blow for England, as I see it. Vardy is one of the best counter-attacking number nines in the game right now and if we're to win a tournament with a set of players who aren't necessarily the best in the world, we're going to have to learn to turn a lack of possession into results. Perhaps this miserably weak qualifying group hasn't given us a chance to rehearse this, but excuses aside, a good start would be to try the guy in his accustomed role and see what he can do. Or at least rotate the roles a bit more during the game.
whoareyaaa Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Is it just me or does Hodgson have no clue what his best formation/team is? he's had a good 2/3 years yet he's still giving people like Ali a cap after 4 Prem games? when in 4 more games we will be kicking off at the Euros. He comes across as clueless to me.
Larry_LCFC Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Is it just me or does Hodgson have no clue what his best formation/team is? he's had a good 2/3 years yet he's still giving people like Ali a cap after 4 Prem games? when in 4 more games we will be kicking off at the Euros. He comes across as clueless to me. I think he is to an extent. England have the potential to achieve so much more than what we have done. We do actually have some brilliant players. Someone like Pearson would never get the England job, but tactically, he'd probably do a hell of a lot better.
SB87_LCFC Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Sadly, I think Vardy's road to the Euros got a bit longer yesterday. I imagine Roy Hodgson will use close to his best XI in the upcoming friendlies and Vardy can hope for 15 mins tops if he gets selected. Again, hardly enough time to impress and oust Welbeck or Sturridge. Please dont take this personal Shen, but as a general question to all on this forum......What makes Danny Welbeck such a good player? One of the most over-rated players to put on an England shirt IMO. Daniel Sturridge for me yes if he was fit he'd be on that plane to France, if it is at the expense of our Jamie then so be it, although I think it would be harsh based on his form from the back of last season and start of this and under the presumption he continues to do well and doesn't get injured. if Woy takes 4 strikers, for me it would be Rooney, Kane, Sturridge and Vardy, but it would pose the question as whether he would deem Sterling a forward or a midfielder? As much as I love the fact that Vardy has made the step up to the England side being realistic as some others have said clearly as he plays for us he isn't seen as a fashionable choice. Find it quite insulting that i've heard some so called pundit's knock Vardy despite him being the Premier League's top scorer, ahead of the likes of Aguero, suggesting he will end up being a flash in the pan and only get a few caps, described in the same regard as people like Michael Ricketts, Kevin Davies, et al. He said in an article in the Mercury when he gets back he is focused on the Southampton game which for me, shows how grounded he is about it all and what is his focus point. Working with those players has only brought him on which is to our advantage and I am sure he is under no illusions, but it frustrates me that even in years gone by, there have been players selected for our country that are not selected on ability
Dickov22 Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Welbeck always does pretty well when he puts on an England shirt to be fair
AKCJ Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 You can bet your life that Dele Ali wouldn't be playing if he played for someone like Norwich.
Simo86 Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 You can bet your life that Dele Ali wouldn't be playing if he played for someone like Norwich. Exactly!! Still can't understand how someone plays 4 games in the PL and gets selected! Surely Drinky has done more to earn a call up than him and that's with my blue tinted specs off!
BrummieFOX Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 4 strikers I'd take would be Rooney, Kane, Walcott and Sturridge. As much as I'd like Vardy to go, he seems to only really fit one style of play and it's never one that Roy is going to start playing.
shen Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Please dont take this personal Shen, but as a general question to all on this forum......What makes Danny Welbeck such a good player? One of the most over-rated players to put on an England shirt IMO. Daniel Sturridge for me yes if he was fit he'd be on that plane to France, if it is at the expense of our Jamie then so be it, although I think it would be harsh based on his form from the back of last season and start of this and under the presumption he continues to do well and doesn't get injured. if Woy takes 4 strikers, for me it would be Rooney, Kane, Sturridge and Vardy, but it would pose the question as whether he would deem Sterling a forward or a midfielder? As much as I love the fact that Vardy has made the step up to the England side being realistic as some others have said clearly as he plays for us he isn't seen as a fashionable choice. Find it quite insulting that i've heard some so called pundit's knock Vardy despite him being the Premier League's top scorer, ahead of the likes of Aguero, suggesting he will end up being a flash in the pan and only get a few caps, described in the same regard as people like Michael Ricketts, Kevin Davies, et al. He said in an article in the Mercury when he gets back he is focused on the Southampton game which for me, shows how grounded he is about it all and what is his focus point. Working with those players has only brought him on which is to our advantage and I am sure he is under no illusions, but it frustrates me that even in years gone by, there have been players selected for our country that are not selected on ability Not taking it personally at all, but what has Vardy done in an England shirt to justify his inclusion over Welbeck, who let's be fair, has scored quite a few goals? Welbeck also has the advantage of being better in the air. In this England team, I definitely see Welbeck as being the better suited of the two. Let's be clear though that I absolutely rate Vardy in our team though.
Simo86 Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 4 strikers I'd take would be Rooney, Kane, Walcott and Sturridge. As much as I'd like Vardy to go, he seems to only really fit one style of play and it's never one that Roy is going to start playing. No chance of Sturridge and Walcott both being fit.....one or both will get crocked again. Seriously though you are spot on.
BrummieFOX Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 No chance of Sturridge and Walcott both being fit.....one or both will get crocked again. Seriously though you are spot on. Ha good point. Yeh, fitness permitting obviously.
Guest NGoloMode Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Don't see how Welbeck can be left out with his goal record for England if he's fit enough.
Guest Col city fan Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Why is Drinkwater not even in the reckoning? He's been as good as any other English central midfielder this season IMO. I think it's because he plays for Leicester........ We still can't get over this nonsense in terms of players in the England squad have to generally come from the so-called 'bigger clubs'. And Roy (although he does occasionally give other players a little go, is not really any different. Personally. If I were England manager I'd play the most on-form players and the ones champing at the bit to impress. Regardless of who they played for. You just know that, subject to fitness, the starting line up in France is going to include Rooney, Sturridge, Cahill and Lallana. Betcha....
Blackpool Fox 69 Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Damn, think you're right - it doesn't count. So when was the last time two Leicester players were in opposition against each other in an international? We still don't know!!! http://www.11v11.com/matches/england-v-northern-ireland-13-november-1985-239556/ Lineker Eng O'neil NI
Stevosevic Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 If all fit these will be the 5: Rooney, Sturridge, Wellbeck, Kane and Walcott. If he only goes, with 4, it will be 4 of those above. If we have some injuries, Vardy is next in line i imagine.
BrummieFOX Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Why is Drinkwater not even in the reckoning? He's been as good as any other English central midfielder this season IMO. I think it's because he plays for Leicester........ We still can't get over this nonsense in terms of players in the England squad have to generally come from the so-called 'bigger clubs'. And Roy (although he does occasionally give other players a little go, is not really any different. Personally. If I were England manager I'd play the most on-form players and the ones champing at the bit to impress. Regardless of who they played for. You just know that, subject to fitness, the starting line up in France is going to include Rooney, Sturridge, Cahill and Lallana. Betcha.... Because in terms of top level club experience, Hodgson has only a few games to go on, it's just not enough. You can same the same for Alli of course but he's been involved in England set ups for the past 4 or 5 years and Roy probably has the U18/19/21's managers in his ear telling him how good he (potentially) is. Hodgson won't be going primarily on who he's seen and his personal opinion, it'll be a team decision I would have thought. Then regarding form, you'd never create any sort of bond/togetherness (we struggle as it is!) with a different group of players each time. You need consistency at whatever level and that means keeping the crux of the squad together. I actually think Roy has done quite well at bringing in some in-form younger players and given them a chance.
PPaine11 Posted 13 October 2015 Posted 13 October 2015 Do you guys think Jamie Vardy will go to the Euro's ahead of the four strikers in strong contention? I mean Kane, Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck are the main four. Plus Walcott right behind them. Also, who do you think will win the tournament? Place your bets on Betfect and see how you do, especially for tonight's European football!! https://betfect.com/
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