Honesty.

[RowlattsFox]

I don't think vardy stopped running, he jumped up with his arse in the air. He never got in the right position to 'win' the penalty.

[gdl9050]

I can't believe how strongly you seem to feel about this incident - I can see where you're coming from, but as Scouse says Vardy's cut across the defender (which he's allowed to do), stopped running (which he's allowed to do) and been knocked over. If Big Wes was chasing a ball back into the corner and shepherding it out for a goal kick, stopped running and then got buffeted over from behind, it would be a free kick, nobody would be saying Wes had "engineered contact", it would just be good play.

I don't know what to think - I can see why people think it's a penalty, why people think it's a dive and why people think nothing at all should be given. I certainly think that a wise referee wouldn't have sent him off given that it doesn't appear clear cut and when you look at the two incidents that he's been sent off for, you've got to say that it's horrendously harsh to end up being sent off

So if it was Craig Bellamy doing that against us what would you think?

[ScouseFox]

great point about shielding the ball. you're perfectly entitled to get in between man and ball, and if the man then charges into you and knocks you over it's a foul? a dive? play on?

anywhere on the pitch in any other game if you're in between ball and man and the man goes through you to get to the ball it's a foul. so what if vardy wanted that to happen? his action hasn't really helped him tbf but it's never a dive. a penalty you can debate all day but a dive, no chance.

[Fox 4 Life]

Independent saying he could be banned for longer for swearing at the ref. All we ****ing need

[gdl9050]

Independent saying he could be banned for longer for swearing at the ref. All we ****ing need

Not going to go down well with the FA either (England). Especially after the casino incident. The thing is you shouldn't take the aggression away from players, Rooney has gone awful since he started playing Mr nice guy.

[Vlad the Fox]

The West Ham penalty was given because he had warned Huth and Morgan 5 times before about it before he eventually gave it, The Huth one, yes a pen but if he was giving them without warning, West Ham would have got 5 previously

He warned Hugh and Morgan because at every corner since carol came on he was having a go at the ref about holding and tugging which meant we couldn't touch them, leaving their players free to push, block, and hold without us being able to reply in kind, I said they'd get a soft penalty from a corner because of this and was proved right. carol got into the refs head and the weak twat caved in, therefor it was extremely satisfying that it was that lanky overrated piece of shit that brought Schlupp down for our penalty.

[EGBFitness]

Jon Moss is a disgrace of a referee.

Either team should of had a penalty. Vardy shouldn't of been sent off. Very inconsistent to discipline a player for 'simulation' and not for another. Vardy shouldn't of either been carded in the first place.

I googled Jon Moss to see what comes up and there is pages of news article of managers/fans moaning about the quality of his refereeing. Why on earth is the FA allowing a ref with such a poor rep ref high profile games!?

Just watched the Vardy incident again, Vardys problem is it wasn't a natural movement, he moved away from the ball to tangle legs - if Vardy knocked the ball in front of the player (which he could of done) I'm sure everyone opinions would change

[Vlad the Fox]

Independent saying he could be banned for longer for swearing at the ref. All we ****ing need

He just needs to threaten to pull out the England squad if they ban him for any more than one game. It worked for shearer, the ****.

[ScouseFox]

Independent saying he could be banned for longer for swearing at the ref. All we ****ing need

should be fu cking rewarded for not knocking his fat head off

[catfordfox]

I just don't understand why the debate isn't about the initial contact ie the defender's hand on vardys shoulder, rather than what happened afterwards. If a defender reaches out to grab an attacker and pull him back in the box, he's risking the attacker feeling the contact and going down. It happens every week in the top flight. Not saying it's a good thing but it's routine (hence all the discussion when a player *doesn't* go down after contact and *doesn't* get a pen). In retrospect now I've calmed down vardy was taking a risk going down like that on a booking, especially after the high profile penalty award v arsenal, but to send him off was such a huge decision to make given the potential consequences, on evidence which at best could go either way. Should have been a goal kick, warned both players, done. Really feel Moss was on an ego trip there, and probably reacting to the arsenal penalty. Terrible.

[wokinghamfox]

Not a dive. It wasn't a penalty, but he didn't dive. He's pulled by the shoulder by the West Ham player, before Vardy ensures that there's contact. Should have just been a goal kick.

Bang on!!

[Matt]

Vardy apparently called him a 'fucking cunt' i'm not sure how they can pull Vardy up on telling the truth?

[Bluetintedspecs]

I think this is very debateable and I will be v interested in what Dermot Gallagher says on Ref watch tomorrow. I personally feel he bought contact and didnt dive so the sensible decision would have been goal kick. A dive is going down without contact and there was most definitely contact!

[jammie82uk]

I think this is very debateable and I will be v interested in what Dermot Gallagher says on Ref watch tomorrow. I personally feel he bought contact and didnt dive so the sensible decision would have been goal kick. A dive is going down without contact and there was most definitely contact!

Yeah bang on I totally agree with this,

Just to add On a side note though just seen that in the last 6 West Ham games (including today) that Jon Moss has refereed he has given out at least 1 red card in every game, in total he has given 7 out in those 6 games, 5 to opposition teams and 2 to West Ham

[Finnegan]

I can't believe how strongly you seem to feel about this incident - I can see where you're coming from, but as Scouse says Vardy's cut across the defender (which he's allowed to do), stopped running (which he's allowed to do) and been knocked over. If Big Wes was chasing a ball back into the corner and shepherding it out for a goal kick, stopped running and then got buffeted over from behind, it would be a free kick, nobody would be saying Wes had "engineered contact", it would just be good play.

I don't know what to think - I can see why people think it's a penalty, why people think it's a dive and why people think nothing at all should be given. I certainly think that a wise referee wouldn't have sent him off given that it doesn't appear clear cut and when you look at the two incidents that he's been sent off for, you've got to say that it's horrendously harsh to end up being sent off

I just really, really hate diving. I've been ranting about it for years, from Drogba to Ronaldo to Knockaert. There's just no need.

If people believe in their heart of hearts that Vardy couldn't have avoided going down there then that's their opinion and we just disagree. I'm not calling for his head or shouting for him to be dropped, so I'm not sure how "strongly" I feel about it. But I do think we're clutching at straws trying to make out he's innocent in this case.

In fact, I'd say that whilst I think the vast majority of the penalties he wins are legitimate and a product of his pace, I'm also surprised to an extent that this is the first time this has happened. You could argue it's been coming for a while.

[Vestan Pance]

I just really, really hate diving. I've been ranting about it for years, from Drogba to Ronaldo to Knockaert. There's just no need.

If people believe in their heart of hearts that Vardy couldn't have avoided going down there then that's their opinion and we just disagree. I'm not calling for his head or shouting for him to be dropped, so I'm not sure how "strongly" I feel about it. But I do think we're clutching at straws trying to make out he's innocent in this case.

In fact, I'd say that whilst I think the vast majority of the penalties he wins are legitimate and a product of his pace, I'm also surprised to an extent that this is the first time this has happened. You could argue it's been coming for a while.

Watch it again, Vardy treads on the defenders foot at high speed and goes over in the process, from behind it looks like a dive, from the front it's two players fighting for the ball, is quite clear.

[Dan]

It's been coming if we're honest. He goes down like a sack of shit. There is contact but not enough to send him flying like that.

 

The first yellow however is absolutely pathetic refereeing - and to me the sign of a referee who wanted to set the game up to be about himself. Utterly shocking.

[theessexfox]

Definite dive, it's different if Vardy cuts across the defender and the defenders clumsily bundles into him, but Vardy simply kicks his leg out into Ogbonna's path and chucks himself onto the ground, it can't be a penalty because Ogbonna has simply been running with Vardy, and so it has to be a dive because he's tried to con the ref into giving a penalty. There is zero foul play from Ogbonna and it was a fairly embarrassing dive for me. Payet should've gone if Moss was being consistent, however. 

[Great Boos Up]

First instinct at the ground. Penno.

But then watched the reaction from fans at the kop and thought Oh Dear.

Slow mo replay = dive.

Super timed frame slow mo; it looks like Vardy stood on his foot? and then flipped him like a spring board

Dunno????

If someone can get a frame perhaps it could be shown to the FA?

[dogadug]

no complaints over the Vardy dive, but why on earth didn't Payet get a 2nd yellow for his dive - even worse than Vardys!

[DJ Barry Hammond]

The fact that it's  being debated as was it or was it not tells me that one thing it wasn't 100% certain  and if it isn't  then it shouldn't  be given, that applies to any ref decision.

That doesn't work, because a referee doesn't consult forums before making a decision. The ref was 100% certain in his mind, he gave the decision straight away - and I dare say it was because the fall had that little upward jump that is common in self instigated falling over.

[Merging Cultures]

He should have gone down as soon as their defender pulled him back.

The ref should have brought the game back to the first infringement which was the foul on Vardy when he knocked it past the defender.

[Les-TA-Jon]

People need to move away from this concept of 'diving' i.e going down with contact or without sufficient contact. There's only the offence of 'simulation' - i.e trying to influence the Referee. 

 

I think we all need to recognise our Blue tinted spectacles and obvious bias. Vardy tried to con the ref. He moves his hips and legs into the defender and goes down theatrically. Vardy has been playing with that line all season. Today he just executed it poorly - and it was more stupid to do it when he could have continued in the box, got legitimately fouled or made a chance for himself or someone else. 

 

Clearly the big talking point is why on earth Vardy was already on a yellow, for a totally normal but late challenge. 

[Merging Cultures]

People need to move away from this concept of 'diving' i.e going down with contact or without sufficient contact. There's only the offence of 'simulation' - i.e trying to influence the Referee.

I think we all need to recognise our Blue tinted spectacles and obvious bias. Vardy tried to con the ref. He moves his hips and legs into the defender and goes down theatrically. Vardy has been playing with that line all season. Today he just executed it poorly - and it was more stupid to do it when he could have continued in the box, got legitimately fouled or made a chance for himself or someone else.

Clearly the big talking point is why on earth Vardy was already on a yellow, for a totally normal but late challenge.

No need to con the ref, he was already being blatantly fouled. The defender, clear as day, was pulling him back. Foul.

Any other striker goes down from those and it's a free kick.

I saw Vardy continue to run, but being pulled back he was impeded and the legs tangled.

You try running straight with someone holding on to your shoulder.

[Kitchandro]

Another cretinous, arrogant thread from a poster who makes a habit of them. As usual you speak like you're the font of all knowledge when in reality you haven't got a clue.

 

If we're being honest it was not a penalty at all but you're an idiot if you're calling that a dive. Clearly the contact between Vardy and the defender cause him to fall over, it's irrelevant to the dive argument whether he initiated it or not. Diving is when there is not enough contact to make you fall over and you fall over anyway. There was clearly significant contact, it was just that Vardy was at fault.

 

Disgraceful to book him and send him off and if we're being 'honest', John Moss is lucky he referees in England and not in somewhere like Turkey where'd he'd have been lynched for more than one disgusting decision which could cost us the title.

The West Ham penalty was a dive. Morgan has his hands on Reid briefly, and Reid throws himself to the ground as if pushed. That's a yellow card, that is diving. Yet he is given a penalty.

I'm not cutting the bastard ref any slack whatsoever.