Les-TA-Jon Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 No need to con the ref, he was already being blatantly fouled. The defender, clear as day, was pulling him back. Foul. Any other striker goes down from those and it's a free kick. I saw Vardy continue to run, but being pulled back he was impeded and the legs tangled. You try running straight with someone holding on to your shoulder. Watch Vardy's hips in this - https://streamable.com/d5is He clearly moves them into the defender = simulation. As I say the weird thing is, he may well have been fouled/got fouled if he hadn't simulated.
AKCJ Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Another cretinous, arrogant thread from a poster who makes a habit of them. As usual you speak like you're the font of all knowledge when in reality you haven't got a clue.
Merging Cultures Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Watch Vardy's hips in this - https://streamable.com/d5is He clearly moves them into the defender = simulation. As I say the weird thing is, he may well have been fouled/got fouled if he hadn't simulated. He was being fouled.There is no, 'he may well have been fouled/got fouled' he played the ball past the defender. The defender hold his shoulder, pulling him into his path, Vardy may have stood on his foot, and the legs tangle. The point is, he was being fouled and the ref should have given the first infringement, the shoulder pull, or just told them both to get on with it. It's not simulation when someone is pulling on your shoulder and your legs tangle. If there was no other contact, I'd agree with you, but he was being fouled. Not hard to see either!! Plus I posted (working!) Videos from various angles earlier. I've seen it so many different ways in HD slow mo. He was fouled.
theessexfox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 It's just certain simulation, imagine if Kane chucks his hips straight into the path of Shawcross tomorrow and chucks himself to the floor - we're baying for a yellow card. No way he's being 'blatantly fouled' by Ogbonna's slight hand on his shoulder, that is also a travesty if it's given a foul imo.
The Doctor Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Another cretinous, arrogant thread from a poster who makes a habit of them. As usual you speak like you're the font of all knowledge when in reality you haven't got a clue. If we're being honest it was not a penalty at all but you're an idiot if you're calling that a dive. Clearly the contact between Vardy and the defender cause him to fall over, it's irrelevant to the dive argument whether he initiated it or not. Diving is when there is not enough contact to make you fall over and you fall over anyway. There was clearly significant contact, it was just that Vardy was at fault. Disgraceful to book him and send him off and if we're being 'honest', John Moss is lucky he referees in England and not in somewhere like Turkey where'd he'd have been lynched for more than one disgusting decision which could cost us the title. The West Ham penalty was a dive. Morgan has his hands on Reid briefly, and Reid throws himself to the ground as if pushed. That's a yellow card, that is diving. Yet he is given a penalty. I'm not cutting the bastard ref any slack whatsoever. - I don't actually agree with Finnegan, I think it's just a bit of a tangle and Vardys shouts should have just been waved away by the referee, play on; but he has put a fair argument forward and whether or not it's a dive is down simply to whether or not you think there's enough contact to knock Vardy down the way he went down.
Finnegan Posted 17 April 2016 Author Posted 17 April 2016 Another cretinous, arrogant thread from a poster who makes a habit of them. As usual you speak like you're the font of all knowledge when in reality you haven't got a clue. If we're being honest it was not a penalty at all but you're an idiot if you're calling that a dive. Clearly the contact between Vardy and the defender cause him to fall over, it's irrelevant to the dive argument whether he initiated it or not. Diving is when there is not enough contact to make you fall over and you fall over anyway. There was clearly significant contact, it was just that Vardy was at fault. Disgraceful to book him and send him off and if we're being 'honest', John Moss is lucky he referees in England and not in somewhere like Turkey where'd he'd have been lynched for more than one disgusting decision which could cost us the title. The West Ham penalty was a dive. Morgan has his hands on Reid briefly, and Reid throws himself to the ground as if pushed. That's a yellow card, that is diving. Yet he is given a penalty. I'm not cutting the bastard ref any slack whatsoever. I pretty much never start threads. I like how you're so generally wrong all the time that you just start from the first line now and carry on in the fullest.
timlcfc Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 In such a big game you don't give reds for nothing incidents. Any decent ref would have taken him to one side- told him to cut it and carried on. That said you make that call you keep it consistent and send off Payet for diving. Henry Winter has listed it in his top 3 worst ref performances ever. Just about right.
Merging Cultures Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 No way he's being 'blatantly fouled' by Ogbonna's slight hand on his shoulder, that is also a travesty if it's given a foul imo. I think you need to watch it again. And yes, holding someone back after they just skinned you, is a foul.
sdb Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 An extended ban would be so harsh, given the complete lack of control the referee had on the game. Hopefully the FA at least acknowledge the shambolic performance of their man and discard his report if/when he notes any defiance on Vardy's part.
theessexfox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 I think you need to watch it again. And yes, holding someone back after they just skinned you, is a foul. He's not holding him back, he simply has not made enough contact to commit a foul, Vardy then proceeds to simulate contact.
okie fox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Vardy was pulled back before the tangle of legs. Much more of a penalty than the one he gave us at the end.
gdl9050 Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Anyone who is saying it isn't a dive simply doesn't understand football or is completely bias.
Finnegan Posted 17 April 2016 Author Posted 17 April 2016 Anyone who is saying it isn't a dive simply doesn't understand football or is completely bias. Yeah, that's Kitchensink on both counts.
walkerleeds Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 I'll probably think differently when I watch it again later but surely Vardy was just trying to get in front of the defender to get to the ball first? The fall is potentially a little theatrical but the tangle of legs was only due to Vardy being quicker than the defender wasn't it?
m4DD0gg Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 It wasnt a dive and the first wasnt a yellow. Ref has really ****ed up here.
Jacnah Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Cmon. Let's be honest. He dived. It was a red. Agreed re the dive part But the first yellow card is shocking. I think that is where the problem is. Spot on. The ref was dreadful, but not for this decision (IMHO). He was dreadful because he was inconsistent and because he initially lost control of the game and started brandishing yellows about for petty things. He then found himself backed into a wall later...two soft yellows and Vardy is off (or at least a soft first one). The thing that really annoyed me is that he never seemed to give himself that few seconds to compose himself for any of the major decsions and bokings ...just take a breath and review what you think you have just seen...oh and always being in the way of the play.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 The ref has made his colleagues job a hell lot worse. They're gonna be under extra scrutiny every game for the rest of the season, especially dives, we're going to want a yellow card every single time. If the FA swap appointments due to social media pressure, you'd like to think we get the strongest refs possible for our final games.
ScouseFox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 I pretty much never start threads. I like how you're so generally wrong all the time that you just start from the first line now and carry on in the fullest. two weeks ago i got banned for saying large al was always wrong and this is here and just gonna be left. is jon moss a mod on this forum, ridiculous imho
Corky Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 It's the way he plays, some you'll get, some you won't.
Jacnah Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 In such a big game you don't give reds for nothing incidents. Any decent ref would have taken him to one side- told him to cut it and carried on. That said you make that call you keep it consistent and send off Payet for diving. Henry Winter has listed it in his top 3 worst ref performances ever. Just about right. isnt Henry Winter a closet Leicester fan? I know he lives in the area but maybe I'm putting two and two together and making twenty two
Finnegan Posted 17 April 2016 Author Posted 17 April 2016 two weeks ago i got banned for saying large al was always wrong and this is here and just gonna be left. is jon moss a mod on this forum, ridiculous imho Large Al is usually wrong. For a well educated guy he's insanely bias when it comes to refs.
ScouseFox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Large Al is usually wrong. For a well educated guy he's insanely bias when it comes to refs. cant believe youre gonna get away with these comments you should be getting an extended ban tbqh
Spudulike Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Sorry if this has already been posted as I haven't read the entire thread. https://www.footballdiscover.com/p/242 IT. WAS. A. PENALTY
The Doctor Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Sorry if this has already been posted as I haven't read the entire thread. https://www.footballdiscover.com/p/242 IT. WAS. A. PENALTY Don't know how you can get that from footage that doesn't have any view of their legs when the whole argument is Vardy moves his legs to force the contact. Still looks like they've bumped into each other and got tangled up in that rather than a foul though. two weeks ago i got banned for saying large al was always wrong and this is here and just gonna be left. is jon moss a mod on this forum, ridiculous imho You got banned for that?
ScouseFox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 You got banned for that? yeah think so. no reason was given (obviously) but it was whilst we were discussing the huth/simpson handballs vs southampton and then all my comments and all those agreeing we might've got away with one got deleted and all yours stayed . good times.
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