Ulloa to Swansea

[Mezeker]

4 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

 

Did you watch the game against PSG? I personally think Ulloa's hold up play & link up play actually was pretty good. 

 

He knows he's not going to start this year but as a sub to come on when we're leading 1-0 & need a target man, I can't think of many better who hold the ball & link play together. 

 

This isn't FIFA were not gonna get 4/5 top class strikers. Where would Musa, Vardy & Lacazette all fit in?

 this isint Fifa. And I personally think that Ulloa is absolute garbage and does should not be playing in the Premiership. Lacazette can easily partner Vardy, his link up play is delicious and exactly what we need. Musa had his best games for CSK as a winger or inside forward. I really pity Mahrez going into this season. He was absolutely shattered in the 2nd half of the season because of the lack of help in terms of creativity and the fact that teams would load up on him because we lacked offensive threats. With the increased load of games the poor guy will burn out so fast. 

[Bluearmyfox28]

24 minutes ago, Mezeker said:

 this isint Fifa. And I personally think that Ulloa is absolute garbage and does should not be playing in the Premiership. Lacazette can easily partner Vardy, his link up play is delicious and exactly what we need. Musa had his best games for CSK as a winger or inside forward. I really pity Mahrez going into this season. He was absolutely shattered in the 2nd half of the season because of the lack of help in terms of creativity and the fact that teams would load up on him because we lacked offensive threats. With the increased load of games the poor guy will burn out so fast. 

Why are you so against Ulloa? I'm sure I read somewhere his minutes to goals ratio's is one of the best in the premier league in recent seasons. Not bad for someone coming of the bench!

 

How often have you watch *CSKA* may I ask? I watched a fair bit of Russian football & can assure you Musa played down the middle he naturally drifts out to the left yes, But he didn't have his best games as a winger or a inside forward.

 

IF you have watched Russian football a lot & Musa too you'll know that Musa is very instrumental to others scoring also. Even though he doesn't get assists, by him naturally drifting out to the left he usually drags out a centre back with him. I personally can see this being key for Vardy to find pockets of space this season. 

 

The defender has 2 choices. Stick to his position to deny space for the other striker, which then allows Musa to receive the ball & run at the defensive or follow Musa to close down the space he has found but create space for Vardy to run into. 

 

Just because Musa won't get the ball & put that through ball for Vards doesn't mean he won't be instrumental in Vardy getting more chances this season.

[TJB-fox]

23 minutes ago, Mezeker said:

 this isint Fifa. And I personally think that Ulloa is absolute garbage and does should not be playing in the Premiership. Lacazette can easily partner Vardy, his link up play is delicious and exactly what we need. Musa had his best games for CSK as a winger or inside forward. I really pity Mahrez going into this season. He was absolutely shattered in the 2nd half of the season because of the lack of help in terms of creativity and the fact that teams would load up on him because we lacked offensive threats. With the increased load of games the poor guy will burn out so fast. 

Can't believe you just described Ulloa as garbage haha. Yes we are all entitled to opinions on here as it is a forum but that a silly statement.

I mean I can't really be bothered to divulge into the details that he brings to the team because I don't think you care either haha but just going on goals :

12 goals for us in our 'miracle' season when we were rock bottom for 3/4 of the season is awesome.

6 goals last season as a bit part player? His minutes to goal ratio must've been ok.

for the wages he's on and the balance to the squad on and off the pitch he brings we'd be absolutely bonkers if we sold him

[Mezeker]

47 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Why are you so against Ulloa? I'm sure I read somewhere his minutes to goals ratio's is one of the best in the premier league in recent seasons. Not bad for someone coming of the bench!

 

How often have you watch *CSKA* may I ask? I watched a fair bit of Russian football & can assure you Musa played down the middle he naturally drifts out to the left yes, But he didn't have his best games as a winger or a inside forward.

 

IF you have watched Russian football a lot & Musa too you'll know that Musa is very instrumental to others scoring also. Even though he doesn't get assists, by him naturally drifting out to the left he usually drags out a centre back with him. I personally can see this being key for Vardy to find pockets of space this season. 

 

The defender has 2 choices. Stick to his position to deny space for the other striker, which then allows Musa to receive the ball & run at the defensive or follow Musa to close down the space he has found but create space for Vardy to run into. 

 

Just because Musa won't get the ball & put that through ball for Vards doesn't mean he won't be instrumental in Vardy getting more chances this season.

Why am I so against Ulloa? He is a championship level player. I don't care about his goal/minutes ratio; at his best he is a half way decent player with his back to goal, holding the ball up. Most of the time he is a poor outlet, his off the ball movement is poor and so is his football IQ. He is slow, can't dribble, has a decent header but no leap. He is not somebody you can bring on to chase a game. 

 

I have watched enough Russian football to understand Musa's role in their team and what he would bring to ours. I completely agree with what you are saying, i have nothing against Musa. I would just  rather he was a rotation player playing sometimes on the wing, sometimes up front with Lacazette as the first option in behind Vardy. 

 

I am greedy in life and in sport, i always want to do better; have more. I think we can do far better than Ulloa off the bench and will need to if we want to compete at the very top this season. 

[Danno]

1 hour ago, TJB-fox said:

Can't believe you just described Ulloa as garbage haha. Yes we are all entitled to opinions on here as it is a forum but that a silly statement.

I mean I can't really be bothered to divulge into the details that he brings to the team because I don't think you care either haha but just going on goals :

12 goals for us in our 'miracle' season when we were rock bottom for 3/4 of the season is awesome.

6 goals last season as a bit part player? His minutes to goal ratio must've been ok.

for the wages he's on and the balance to the squad on and off the pitch he brings we'd be absolutely bonkers if we sold him

By the sounds of it he's only supported us about six months. Genuinely wants us to sign Balotelli which is a telling sign.

[Mezeker]

23 minutes ago, DanNDH88 said:

By the sounds of it he's only supported us about six months. Genuinely wants us to sign Balotelli which is a telling sign.

Even if had been, how does that prove Ulloa quality?

[Bakey]

2 hours ago, Mezeker said:

Even if had been, how does that prove Ulloa quality?

Proves you don't know enough to have this evaluation of Ulloa

[Mezeker]

5 minutes ago, Bakey said:

Proves you don't know enough to have this evaluation of Ulloa

you would think even 6 months would be enough. 

[hornyhollthefox123]

6 hours ago, TJB-fox said:

Can't believe you just described Ulloa as garbage haha. Yes we are all entitled to opinions on here as it is a forum but that a silly statement.

I mean I can't really be bothered to divulge into the details that he brings to the team because I don't think you care either haha but just going on goals :

12 goals for us in our 'miracle' season when we were rock bottom for 3/4 of the season is awesome.

6 goals last season as a bit part player? His minutes to goal ratio must've been ok.

for the wages he's on and the balance to the squad on and off the pitch he brings we'd be absolutely bonkers if we sold him

Yeah completely agree. 

 

Its an annoying statement but if people can't see how valuable Ulloa is to us then I just don't think you understand football plain and simple. Can't even be bothered to explain properly but we'd miss him immensely if he left. 

 

And yes you're correct re stats on goals. He had the best conversion rate of any player to score 5+ goals in the league last year and scored 14 in our first year back. Add to this he doesn't just do tap ins but actually holds the ball up and is monstrous in the air both defensively and when attacking. 

 

But yeah apart from that he must be terrible! 

[Bluearmyfox28]

6 hours ago, Mezeker said:

Why am I so against Ulloa? He is a championship level player. I don't care about his goal/minutes ratio; at his best he is a half way decent player with his back to goal, holding the ball up. Most of the time he is a poor outlet, his off the ball movement is poor and so is his football IQ. He is slow, can't dribble, has a decent header but no leap. He is not somebody you can bring on to chase a game. 

 

I have watched enough Russian football to understand Musa's role in their team and what he would bring to ours. I completely agree with what you are saying, i have nothing against Musa. I would just  rather he was a rotation player playing sometimes on the wing, sometimes up front with Lacazette as the first option in behind Vardy. 

 

I am greedy in life and in sport, i always want to do better; have more. I think we can do far better than Ulloa off the bench and will need to if we want to compete at the very top this season. 

No he can't dribble & his movement isn't great that's because he's a target man!! His role is to be in a certain position so he is an outlet for the midfielders if they are short of options.

 

To say Ulloa has no leap shows you don't study the game enough. Whenever Ulloa is on the pitch & we are defending a corner 7 times out of 10 he will be the player clearing the ball because of his leap & reading of the game.

 

Don't get me wrong Ulloa is a defensive option but you need these options in your squad for the nitty gritty games.

[Daz93]

3 hours ago, Mezeker said:

you would think even 6 months would be enough. 

You mean in that six months where we rolled teams over and won the league? If you even bothered to support us before this season you would see he was our top scorer in the previous season.

 

Ulloa brings something different to our team and style of play and is useful because of it. If he doesn't want to leave, then I don't want him to either.

[Koke]

Ulloa is useful. He isnt great but he is useful. He has better qualities than Okazaki, thats for sure.

[Guest]

I suppose we have to expect even more of this attitude than in the old days now that we have so many more fans.

[NewEnglandFox]

Vardy → Suarez

Okazaki → Messi

Mahrez → Neymar

Albrighton → Iniesta

Drinkwater → Busquets

???? → Rakitic

Fuchs → Jordy Alba

Morgan → Mascherano

Huth → Pique

Simpson → Dani Alves

Schmeichel → Bravo

 

But seriously mods, this thread has become embarrassing. Time for the padlock.

 

[ARM1968]

Ulloa is a top pro and deserves respect for what he has done for us. At the moment we don't have a player like him, so he is a useful squad member. Without a direct and higher quality replacement we need him. Loyalty cuts both ways and as fans we can't slag of Kante then wish Ulloa gone. 

 

He offers us something different. 

[dannythefox]

Ulloa is a very clever player and one who won't be going this season. He always scores when we need him and his defending from corners is the best in the team imo. An all round good player who will get you 10 plus goals a season.

[SecretPro]

Without blue tinted specs on Ulloa and Okazaki upfront has been and is an embarrassment. Lets hope a scenario doesn't play out this season where playing them two together is the only option. Neither are anywhere remotely prolific and IMO we need another proper number 9 who can bang goals in. Doesn't look like Musa can fill that role naturally so I'd be seriously worried if JV got injured. 

[Thracian]

15 hours ago, Mezeker said:

Why am I so against Ulloa? He is a championship level player. I don't care about his goal/minutes ratio; at his best he is a half way decent player with his back to goal, holding the ball up. Most of the time he is a poor outlet, his off the ball movement is poor and so is his football IQ. He is slow, can't dribble, has a decent header but no leap. He is not somebody you can bring on to chase a game. 

 

I have watched enough Russian football to understand Musa's role in their team and what he would bring to ours. I completely agree with what you are saying, i have nothing against Musa. I would just  rather he was a rotation player playing sometimes on the wing, sometimes up front with Lacazette as the first option in behind Vardy. 

 

I am greedy in life and in sport, i always want to do better; have more. I think we can do far better than Ulloa off the bench and will need to if we want to compete at the very top this season. 

 

 

To call Ulloa "Championship level" is as insulting as it's untrue. Ulloa has proved his worth on many occasions and would easily notch a double-figure tally of goals in a Premiership season if given the playing time.

 

Against PSV he was one of the few to do himself credit. He competed for everything and won a fair bit. And if he'd had the sort of service Cavani and co were getting he might even have scored a goal or two because I can't recall him getting a good cross delivered to him all game and that includes the pathetic corners and free-kicks we took - Mahrez's one decent free-kick/contribution excepted.  .       

[Danno]

4 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Without blue tinted specs on Ulloa and Okazaki upfront has been and is an embarrassment. Lets hope a scenario doesn't play out this season where playing them two together is the only option. Neither are anywhere remotely prolific and IMO we need another proper number 9 who can bang goals in. Doesn't look like Musa can fill that role naturally so I'd be seriously worried if JV got injured. 

Yeah proper embarrassing winning the league with them, and getting our biggest win of the season with them two up front.

[SheppyFox]

On 27 July 2016 at 13:06, Ric Flair said:

The problem we have is if we sell him we have to find a replacement who is prepared to come in initially as 4th choice striker, not an easy task.

True, would be funny to steal laca though, make wenger cry a bit 

[Sharpe's Fox]

4 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Without blue tinted specs on Ulloa and Okazaki upfront has been and is an embarrassment. Lets hope a scenario doesn't play out this season where playing them two together is the only option. Neither are anywhere remotely prolific and IMO we need another proper number 9 who can bang goals in. Doesn't look like Musa can fill that role naturally so I'd be seriously worried if JV got injured. 

Haha either Ulloa or Okazaki or both were on the pitch in every game for us last year where we won the fvcking league you imbecile. The two of them playing together got us a 4-0 win and a draw at Old Trafford. Struggling to see how players have suddenly become shite after going on holiday.

[gurru991]

Certain players bring different qualities to the game & Ulloa is one of those players. Please don't compare him to Vardy or Okazaki. He is a fantastic asset for CR to bring of the bench when needed. All of sudden our team needs to be replaced after winning the Prem. If Claudio likes him, then so do I.

[Mezeker]

19 minutes ago, Thracian said:

 

 

To call Ulloa "Championship level" is as insulting as it's untrue. Ulloa has proved his worth on many occasions and would easily notch a double-figure tally of goals in a Premiership season if given the playing time.

 

Against PSV he was one of the few to do himself credit. He competed for everything and won a fair bit. And if he'd had the sort of service Cavani and co were getting he might even have scored a goal or two because I can't recall him getting a good cross delivered to him all game and that includes the pathetic corners and free-kicks we took - Mahrez's one decent free-kick/contribution excepted.  .       

I got a little carried away with Championship level, i stand by what i said though. We have out grown him. 

[Thracian]

And got who exactly to replace the things he gives us both in the air, as our one holding player up front and as an important defensive extra given that we've hardly got giants at the back apart from Huth. 

 

Ulloa's done a lot for this club in helping us achieve things we've only dreamed of and he's made his contributions with the right attitude even when there might have been times when he could have felt hard done by.

 

Indeed I'd say it's people like Ulloa, Kingy, Waso etc who've put the cement into our team spirit and I can't imagine how many points and games we've won because that spirit shone through and then some more.

 

I remember last Christmas when all the smart arses were saying we'd been fortunate with injuries, that the holiday programme would leave us knackered, that a tough month against so many top names would find us out and that we'd never cope without Vardy.

 

Well we did. We made em all eat their words and it was people like Ulloa who did so much to keep our name up in lights whenever he was called on.

 

He's exactly what the spirit of our club is built on.             

[TMELcfc]

I don't know why Ulloa gets so much stick. He's a completely different option and after the PSG game all I kept reading is 'we need a Plan B'... Does he not constitute a Plan B? 

I love Shinji just for that smile and work rate but I think there's players who can add more in that role whereas Ulloa adds a different dimension. 

Anyway hope he stays. We can't bring in loads of new players all in one hit, it takes time to then get them up to speed with the squad and style, this isn't a game of FIFA.