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bald reynard

Ulloa to Swansea

By bald reynard, in Transfer Talk

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Finnegan

Finnegan

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5 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

Wow! So staying with a champions league team is a lack of ambition cos you are not joining a mid table team?

 

King played plenty last season and with Kante gone he'll probably get more game time this season, most players in the PL are squad players purely due to rotation.

 

Sitting on the bench when you could be playing first team football is showing a lack of ambition.

 

King didn't "play plenty" last season, he barely started a game.

Nod.E

Nod.E

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2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Sitting on the bench when you could be playing first team football is showing a lack of ambition.

 

King didn't "play plenty" last season, he barely started a game.

Depends if he's an optimist or a realist. In his mind he probably believes he can hold down a place in the starting 11. If he had no belief that was possible then yes he's showing a lack of ambition. However I'd argue his glass is half full and in this case it's a show of ambition. Only he will really know.

dylanlegend

dylanlegend

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5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Sitting on the bench when you could be playing first team football is showing a lack of ambition.

 

King didn't "play plenty" last season, he barely started a game.

He played 29 times last season, even players like Scholes during his career could have been 'considered' squad players but I don't think many were thinking 'if he stays at Unitef he is showing a lack of ambition, he should join Everton'

Finnegan

Finnegan

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Just now, dylanlegend said:

He played 29 times last season, even players like Scholes during his career could have been 'considered' squad players but I don't think many were thinking 'if he stays at Unitef he is showing a lack of ambition, he should join Everton'

 

You're clutching at more straws than that arsenal fan. Kingy is a bit part squad player, the same as Schlupp. We had the most consistent starting line up in the league last year and King wasn't in it.

 

We love the guy but he is and was no Ngolo or Drinky and he's probably no Papy Mendy either.

Thracian

Thracian

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6 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Sitting on the bench when you could be playing first team football is showing a lack of ambition.

 

King didn't "play plenty" last season, he barely started a game.

 

 

King 29 appearances altogether. Ulloa 33 appearances. I'd imagine much the same or a little more this season given the extra matches and our having been so fortunate with injuries and the form of people last season.

 

You don't necessarily have to start games to make an important or even vital contribution in various ways.       

Finnegan

Finnegan

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Just now, Thracian said:

 

 

King 29 appearances altogether. Ulloa 33 appearances. I'd imagine much the same or a little more this season given the extra matches and our having been so fortunate with injuries and the form of people last season.

 

You don't necessarily have to start games to make an important or even vital contribution in various ways.       

 

I don't disagree and I don't want us to sell Ulloa, Schlupp or King.

 

But if you're those guys, in your footballing prime, do you want to make substitute and league cup appearances all your life or move to a club where you start every game?

Manwell Pablo

Manwell Pablo

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25 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

Why? He's the only big striker we have, we are in more competitions this season, he'll probably play more than last season, it's not like we have shed loads of strikers

 

Vardy, Okazaki, Musa all in front of him now.....4th choice strikers play very little, I'm not saying he'll never play but little debate that if he wants to play every week he's better off elsewhere. 

Finnegan

Finnegan

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3 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Vardy, Okazaki, Musa all in front of him now.....4th choice strikers play very little, I'm not saying he'll never play but little debate that if he wants to play every week he's better off elsewhere. 

 

This.

 

I don't get why people can't get their heads around the idea that a footballer would want to be first choice somewhere.

dylanlegend

dylanlegend

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10 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

You're clutching at more straws than that arsenal fan. Kingy is a bit part squad player, the same as Schlupp. We had the most consistent starting line up in the league last year and King wasn't in it.

 

We love the guy but he is and was no Ngolo or Drinky and he's probably no Papy Mendy either.

I understand what you are saying but there aren't many players at other teams guaranteed to start every game why would they risk going to another team as there is no guarantee they will start every game. Look at Nathan Dyer last season, if anything he player less than when he was at Swansea. It's a big risk to take especially when they can experience UCL football.

 

The only way logically they should move is for more money. 

Manwell Pablo

Manwell Pablo

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2 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

I understand what you are saying but there aren't many players at other teams guaranteed to start every game why would they risk going to another team as there is no guarantee they will start every game. Look at Nathan Dyer last season, if anything he player less than when he was at Swansea. It's a big risk to take especially when they can experience UCL football.

 

The only way logically they should move is for more money. 

If Ulloa, for example, was signed as a marque 10 Million pound signing you would highly suspect he would instantly improve his chances of playing than if he stayed here. Nathan Dyer was always going to be utility, I know a lot of people on here have the misconception that teams only loan players that want in the first 11 for some reason (as many did with Man u goon we loaned two seasons ago) but that's not the case.

 

Your quite right I should imagine money also comes into it. 

Thracian

Thracian

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10 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Vardy, Okazaki, Musa all in front of him now.....4th choice strikers play very little, I'm not saying he'll never play but little debate that if he wants to play every week he's better off elsewhere. 

Shinji and Ulloa offer completely different options but time will tell. 

MarriedaLeicesterGirl

MarriedaLeicesterGirl

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If I were Ulloa, I would be more upset if they had signed Slimani. Ulloa is the only striker of his type on the team. Last season wad fairly unique in the lack of changes, especially in the back end. I doubt the Tinkerman is going to be as conservative this season. And any Plan B (or C, or D) that requires a big man up front, Ulloa will be the only option. I think there is a good chance he will be starting more games than he did last season, even if you don't figure in CL and a possible Cup run.

fuchsntf

fuchsntf

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2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

This.

 

I'm confused by why people are confused that Ulloa and Schlupp might want to goändern somewhere they'll play every week.

 

Be sad to lose good characters in the squad but you've got to wish them well.

 

To be perfectly honest, I think King signing a new contract shows a lack of ambition. He's been a squad player here for years and will continue to be.

There are different, careers to be made in football, like the water carryers in cycling.

Sportsman all have their dreams, many realise ok I cant reach, this or that level, but can

still have a decent career, and might get an extra boost, by going up the levels.

Their amibitions, and importantly their targets might not waver, but there are times of acceptance..

Some like Vardy, get their breaks later in life.

Ulloa, King, Shinji...2 of them Internationals, are top players, but not quite managed, a permanent long term

1st c h oice ticket...But my god they still deliver, every good squad depends on them, some still decide to

be permanent movers. In fact they are all the BBone of any league they play in, including the type of

Leagues some of you the fans play in...

Benteke, Bent, Barton,Knockhardt,..Huth. Look at all the Premier league teams, then go down the leagues,

How many have 6-8 permanent players, playing through the season, others left on the side when not injured.

The biggest spin, was giving the name Tinkerman to Ranieri.  All clubs have also rans, in their best and bad times,

all top managers have tinkered, every season

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Its not lacking ambition, but recognising where you at the time, while keeping some ambition open.

Look at our PL winning squad, they dared to dream, but they were all a bunch of also rans, according to

the mighty media, and this forum. Nobody absolte nobody, can say that Ulloa , King, an d Shinji,

are Or were replaceable, they delivered and still will, if they stay...

Our antics last season were uniques, but could of kicked started every single Squad players Future ambitions

and careers. It amazes me that still many fox posters, af t er last years pre underrating of our players, carry on

doing so....Then proclaim their own choices could do better....I die laughing every week, my tears are enough to fill

the sink. King Dick has been rolling around his grave...dying of laughter..!!!

Brown Fox

Brown Fox

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40 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I don't disagree and I don't want us to sell Ulloa, Schlupp or King.

 

But if you're those guys, in your footballing prime, do you want to make substitute and league cup appearances all your life or move to a club where you start every game?

I get what you mean as well but there are also a lot of other factors. E.g. Money they're getting here, team atmosphere, less pressure, families based here. Although footballers move around all the time they're still human, and with Ulloa, King and Schlupp do they want to risk losing all they have here to go somewhere else where you might think they're guaranteed a start but they could lose form and be sitting on a bench there as well having lost such a good thing here? Just another way of looking at it I guess.

NeilLCFC

NeilLCFC

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1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

Sitting on the bench when you could be playing first team football is showing a lack of ambition.

 

King didn't "play plenty" last season, he barely started a game.

Not fighting for a first team place could also be seen as lacking ambition. Add leaving a CL team to go to a mid to lower end team equals total lack of ambition.

norwichfox

norwichfox

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1 hour ago, NewEnglandFox said:

I think all of you are wrong calling Ulloa 4th choice striker. If Vardy's gone, Leo's playing up top. The line of strikers isn't linear.

Spot on, as demonstrated when Vardy was suspended

yorkie1999

yorkie1999

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6 hours ago, dylanlegend said:

I understand what you are saying but there aren't many players at other teams guaranteed to start every game why would they risk going to another team as there is no guarantee they will start every game. Look at Nathan Dyer last season, if anything he player less than when he was at Swansea. It's a big risk to take especially when they can experience UCL football.

 

The only way logically they should move is for more money. 

Or, alledegy, if one of the directors was shagging your Mrs.

KFS

KFS

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14 minutes ago, MrsJohnMurphy said:

Why is he a little shit? without that goal against Villa things could have been very different last season

Did I question that?

foxes21

foxes21

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39 minutes ago, MrsJohnMurphy said:

Why is he a little shit? without that goal against Villa things could have been very different last season

ye we'd have finished 8 points clear instead of 10

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