Adrien Silva

[Adrien]

1 minute ago, ian_marshall said:

I understand where you're coming from but it's different circumstances. I can't see another club wanting to pay him the sort of money we are offering plus image rights at the age of 29/30. Therefore there is no incentive for him to improve.

 

Add to that the fact that he has the chance to join the Champions of the highest profile domestic league in the world and benefit from the exposure that brings, then now really is the time to move if he wants to push on with his career.

 

Being totally honest, even if we were to keep up our interest for the next couple of years, in all fairness I don't think we'll still be considered Champions material by that stage, nor do I see the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, etc. being interested in Silva at that age. Sorry I know it's not what you want to hear but I really don't see what options Sporting have now that he has gone public with his wishes. Surely it has to be damage limitation from here on in. 

Like I said, I understand a players wish to get a better wage and to play in the Premier League (I can't accept he goes public with that). Fair enough.

 

But seeing from the Sporting perspective you are making a mistake: you thing Sporting wants a better deal now or in the future. Sporting simply doesn't want to sell. We just don't need that money. In what Sporting board and fans is concerned Adrien can rest in the club until the end of his career.

 

[benpicko]

4 minutes ago, Max Power said:

His agent has admitted he isn't going to go for less than the release clause? 

 

We won't pay that

yep, get slimani and move on

[FireFox]

1 minute ago, benpicko said:

yep, get slimani and move on

Nah, fvck Sporting. Don't buy Slimy, let him and his replacement be unhappy together and let Sporting keep some of their debt.

 

Always rated Ulloa, he'll come good in the CL.

[Adrien]

1 minute ago, FireFox said:

Nah, fvck Sporting. Don't buy Slimy, let him and his replacement be unhappy together and let Sporting keep some of their debt.

 

Always rated Ulloa, he'll come good in the CL.

That would be awesome

[SCP4Ever]

There's a lot of misconceptions going around here about Sporting and the players, i'll try to clarify most of them.

 

First, while we have a big debt, mostly to a handful of banks, we do NOT have to sell. That stopped 2 and half years ago, when our new board signed a Debt Restructuring deal with our creditors. We greatly cut our spending, slightly increased our revenue, and have managed to stay positive ever since (apart from that Rojo thing, which is still being decided in the Courts).

This means we absolutely are under no obligation to sell as Inter clearly saw regarding Joao Mario. Just to give you some perspective, we have 75% of his economic rights, and the reason we don't have 100% is because the previous president sold 25% for the amazing sum of 400K Euros. Those amazing deals are long over at Sporting, so be prepared to pay what the club feels it deserves.

 

Secondly, the Slimani deal is likely close to being done. However, like someone here previously pointed out, why you didn't active the 30M euro release clause that expired on July 15th is a mistery to me. You'll likely have to pay a bit more now, but trust me, he's worth it. And the reason I say a bit, and not a lot, is because we've added a few strikers to our squad already.

 

Third, Adrien is by all counts a great professional, a leader, a player that should have at least twice the number of caps he has, given how massive a midfield presence he has. That being said, let's start with is interview:

Adrien talked to "o jogo", a sports newspaper based in porto, and massively biased towards the porto club. IF Adrien had wanted anything other that to pressure the board into letting him go, he'd have talked to the club's TV channel, the club's newspaper, or the club's social media platforms. The fact that he didn't means he knows Sporting will not be keen to let him go, especially after loosing Joao Mario and likely Slimani, and even more for such a low offer.

Because here's the thing, we we're kind of prepared for Joao Mario's departure. We have adequate replacements in place, and we've prepared for Slimani's departure as well. We are NOT prepared to lose Adrien, and he knows it, and he knows the fee being offered isn't going to cut it, so he did what he thought he had to do.

Sporting have released a statement after that interview, in which the club points out that Adrien renewed is contract back in February, and it was made clear by both parts that the goal was for him to play for Sporting till he retired. Back in June, on July, do't quite remember, he said in an interview that he didn't want to leave Sporting without winning the league first. And also, it was pointed out that until that time, no formal offer had been made anyway, but with a release clause of 45M euros and very little time to adequately replace (another) influential player, the numbers being floated around were clearly not enough.

 

Lastly, I want to write something about our board, and our president especially. Bruno de Carvalho has made it his goal to return Sporting to the forefront of Portugal and European sports, where it rightfully belongs. We've had some piss poor presidents in the past, who robbed Sporting of it's properties, sunk us into a never ending spiral of debt that culminated in two consecutive years or ~40M losses. He's been adamant in his defence of Sporting, because for the longest time, no else was, and while he comes out harsh and foreboding, it's because he loves the club so much and will do anything to protect it's interests. This isn't some bravado declaration, it's just to put his actions in perspective, and to point out that never will our president do anything out of spite or anger. His actions, all his actions, are always in the club's best interests. So if it's better for the club to sell, or not to sell, that's what he'll do.

 

Don't forget, we're also in the Champions League, and our group is a tad tougher than yours...

 

[st albans fox]

Very tough to make last minute deals across continents, especially when players are on international duty. 

 

We we won't pay 45m unless they accept 25 for slim and they already rejected 30

 

that clock is ticking .........

[HighPeakFox]

ANNONCE JUNIOR LEWISHAM

[RoyFox]

This deal is dead, move onto other targets...

 

[DierIsATraitor]

6 hours ago, Sleepy Fox said:

After the Kante affair I have no sympathies for other clubs.  Its a dog eat dog world and playing nice won't win you a thing.  I hope we get the best deal possible for Leicester City, Sporting be damned.  No offense Sporting fans, its just the way it works. Like a foreman told me on a manual labor job my dad me work in high school, Payday is on Thursday and shit rolls downhill. 

We don't get offended so easily, speaking for myself at least But just let me get this straight, you guys are in your absolute rights to defend your best interests. If you think you're overpaying a player that was on the starting team of the European Champions, you have all the right to... But we also have the right to defend our own, and i'm absolutely sure that our president will do just that, meaning that Silva wil always be an expensive player to sign. Simply cuz we're absolutely not interested in selling him. We'd love to have him for this season, and despite of what happened, he will be forgiven.
Semedo (our central defender) a few years ago declared his love for Benfica, and that gave him a ticket to the 3rd division of Spain, to clear his head. Now he is playing in our first team, and the supporters seem to forgive him about what he said. All this just to show you that after 1/09 things change, and if Adrien stays he will stay focused cuz that's how the player is, and Sporting fans will have to accept what happened, and move on.

 

3 hours ago, GaelicFox said:

All this sympathy and apologising crap  

 

i hope we sign both for as cheap as possible and they go onto be stars 

 

sporting ... Who cares , they are a selling club always have been always will be , all Portuguese football exits to sell to England and Spain ! 

 

To stop silva leaving is tantamount to slavery ! Soon the European Union is to outlaw thus type of behaviour look up FIFPro’s recent challenge to the international football transfer system ! 

Forgive me bro, but you have no idea of what you are saying. It's not illegal in any way to protect our interests. The player signed a contract (no one forced him in) 8 months ago, with a release clause of 45M euros, which he knew about. He commited himself to Sporting for the next 4 or 5 years, again, no one forced him to do so. Sporting will obviously be willing to let the player go, for the right ammount. But don't think that we'll let the player go just because he decided that few months after signing a long term contract he wants to leave. Things doesn't work like this, not in football, not anywhere else.
I'd recommend you to go read about Bruma's transfer to Galatasaray or Rojo's tranfer to ManUTD. Both players were trying to force their way out, both players left, but not under their own conditions. 
We're not in the wild west here..

 

1 minute ago, FireFox said:

Nah, fvck Sporting. Don't buy Slimy, let him and his replacement be unhappy together and let Sporting keep some of their debt.

 

Always rated Ulloa, he'll come good in the CL.

I'd be very happy to keep Slimani, but I made my peace with it, Slimani is leaving my team. If it's not to Leicester, will be to WBA, since yesterday news came in that they offered 30M+5 in objectives.
Slimani obviously prefers Foxes, and i'd also prefer him to move here than to WBA or Arsenal. 
And as I said yesterday, our debt is big but it's controlled, in 3 years has been reduced from 450M almost half of this value, and we made a deal with the banks that just force us to give a percentage of sells over 10M, but doesn't force us to sell just to pay debt. They understand that in order to pay our debt, we should stay a competitive team. Win money in Champions League. Try to be Champions so we can directly go to the tier 1 of the draw, just like like you guys... All that is very important, and in order to do so, we need to keep some players. Specially a few hours away from the market to close.

[ian_marshall]

25 minutes ago, Adrien said:

Like I said, I understand a players wish to get a better wage and to play in the Premier League (I can't accept he goes public with that). Fair enough.

 

But seeing from the Sporting perspective you are making a mistake: you thing Sporting wants a better deal now or in the future. Sporting simply doesn't want to sell. We just don't need that money. In what Sporting board and fans is concerned Adrien can rest in the club until the end of his career.

 

But the point I was making is that his circumstances are different to Slimani. Slimani always had the hope 2 years ago that if he kept working hard he'd still have his best years ahead of him and someone might sign him. Silva's situation is different, if he continues to work hard for the next 2 years as you suggested, the likelihood of him securing a big money move to a top club would be slim at the age of 29/30 as teams will only envisage getting around 2 years out of him at best. I also think it'd rule him out of a move to the Premier League as the pace of the game is too fast and it'll take him a season to readjust making him 31 by the time he's of any use to anyone (Gokhan Inler is testament to that). That brings me on to your original point about continuing to give his all; I don't really see why he'd give his all for Sporting when the club has denied him an opportunity to better himself and he has been such a good servant to the club. Yes, you keep a player that you adore, but for the remainder of his contract he'll probably perform below par and ultimately end up leaving on a free.

[ballsooo]

Anyone else think this may be a diversionary tactic or something, and we're working on something else in the background? (N'Zonzi or someone similar / totally out of the blue?)

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

Their captain has been very naughty indeed!!

[foxy boxing]

they are not being very sporting with us are they? we will give them a good price for their players? and we will give them a good home?

[SCP4Ever]

3 minutes ago, ian_marshall said:

But the point I was making is that his circumstances are different to Slimani. Slimani always had the hope 2 years ago that if he kept working hard he'd still have his best years ahead of him and someone might sign him. Silva's situation is different, if he continues to work hard for the next 2 years as you suggested, the likelihood of him securing a big money move to a top club would be slim at the age of 29/30 as teams will only envisage getting around 2 years out of him at best. I also think it'd rule him out of a move to the Premier League as the pace of the game is too fast and it'll take him a season to readjust making him 31 by the time he's of any use to anyone (Gokhan Inler is testament to that). That brings me on to your original point about continuing to give his all; I don't really see why he'd give his all for Sporting when the club has denied him an opportunity to better himself and he has been such a good servant to the club. Yes, you keep a player that you adore, but for the remainder of his contract he'll probably perform below par and ultimately end up leaving on a free.

 

His contract ends in 2020. Good luck getting anything at that point having been sidelined for 4 years. Good luck getting back into the Portugal squad without 1st team football. These are professionals we're talking about. Come September 1st (later, because of the Portugal games), he'll buck up and get back to work as he's always done. He had a great opportunity, one he didn't expect just a few months ago, and he knew Sporting would not likely accept it, so he tried to push for it. Like I said, I can't fault him for it, it's an interesting project, and double what he's getting here, but FFS, it's not like he's underpaid. 1.2 Million is a lot of money. Sure, it's better in England, but hey, there's also the shitty weather .

 

3 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

they are not being very sporting with us are they? we will give them a good price for their players? and we will give them a good home?

 

From our perspective, no, you're not. If you had, we'd likely not be having this conversation.

[GaelicFox]

7 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

they are not being very sporting with us are they? we will give them a good price for their players? and we will give them a good home?

They are good businessmen 

 

yet the 3 big clubs there owe the banks nearly half a billion euros Inc interest 

[DierIsATraitor]

2 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

They are good businessmen 

 

yet the 3 big clubs there owe the banks nearly half a billion euros Inc interest 

Benfica alone owes more than half a billion. 

But speaking about Sporting, it's controlled now, and we're slowly but surely paying what we owe.

[jonthefox]

30 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

ANNONCE JUNIOR LEWISHAM

Yep

[Sambiasso]

25 minutes ago, ballsooo said:

Anyone else think this may be a diversionary tactic or something, and we're working on something else in the background? (N'Zonzi or someone similar / totally out of the blue?)

Such as Lucas Lima from Santos? 

[Tanya]

Well, the player really put himself out there with his comments. I can't believe the club has the gall to say he's going to be a one team player when he's made it clear he wants to play in another league after dedicating his entire professional life to Sporting. But whatever, we'll move on but good luck with having a bitter captain.

[CockneyFox]

1 hour ago, VIKTOR-LE5 said:

SPORTING SAY SILVA IS STAYING

Adrien Silva might think he is heading to Leicester, but his club, Sporting Lisbon, don't seem so sure.

They have released the following statement.

"The player renewed his contract in February 2016 in a deal involving significant sums of money, making it absolutely clear that the extension to his contract would mean that Adrien Silva would say at the club until the end of his career.

"Never during recent months has anything been said to the president or has any proposal been made for the transfer of Adrien Silva and the president has not met with the player's father or representatives for that purpose.

"Sporting CP and its president will always defend the interests of the club and will also defend the club's assets."

 

Source:Sky Sports

Pretty flaky statement if you ask me, not exactly quashing the rumours like Ranieri / our owners did with Mahrez!

[DierIsATraitor]

Well, in SportingCP forum there's been an interesting conversation this morning. 

 

Apparently Adrien had been told by his agent that the deal between Sporting and Leicester had been finished, and maybe that's the reason for him to say what he said.
Also Ol. Lyon chairman stated that Jorge Mendes (yes, this disgusting corrupt agent) that curiously isn't the agent of Adrien, was trying to sell him to them 2 days ago.

All this is very curious, and seems that mr. Mendes orchestrated a plan to try to weaken Sporting, so his crazy and corrupt investments in Benfica are safer. 

(By the way, wolverhampton is the worst club in England mates.)

[dpjfox]

Silva stayingleaves us short of bodies in central midfield if Drinky or Armarty got injured, we may bloke moves for Inler and James

[Bagworthblue]

Lol. All these peeps suggesting SL are being unreasonable. Are you seriously telling me that if the situation were reversed you'd agree that we were being unreasonable if SL came in with 2 last minute bids for Vardy and Drinkwater? Unsettling the latter in the process and offering below what he is worth to us! And even if we'd known long enough to get a replacement for Vardy in you'd be thinking us unreasonable to try to hold out for a few more quid.

 

We ARE premier champions but some on here are now acting as if we became as big as Man U overnight. SL have a history in Europe. What history do we have? Beggers belief! !!

 

[LinekersApples]

Spurting Lesbians

 

 

[DierIsATraitor]

Well guys, I'll try to say something if anything changes, or if there's any news in Portugal about Adrien or Slimani!

Good luck in this last day of transfers!

 

If you guys have any question about Sporting or Adrien/Slimani feel free to ask, just quote me or send me a message!