RastaDog Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 3 minutes ago, Simoken said: I'm sure he is enjoying an early morning crossiant/drinking tea, instead of being a misery guts to be honest. Huh? Are you suggesting I'm being one? Far from it, I assure you. I don't question his motivation, nor his right to make his own choices on whatever basis he chooses, I'm simply interested in how he might feel in his new role.
Babylon Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 1 hour ago, Captain... said: Kante left the Champions of England for a mid table side with no European football. We could and would have matched any offer from Chelsea, money wasn't the issue, he wanted to leave, but until he tells us the real reason why he will be seen by many as a traitor because it was a step down. If it was next summer Chelsea have won the league and we have finished 9th and he moves to Chelsea, then no issue from me. That's toss, we aren't going to have paid him £150k a week or whatever they are. It's fairly bloody obvious why we wanted to leave. More money and a move to a more well known, more glamorous club, with much better long term prospects. A team who have won the FA cup 6 times in the last 20 years, the league cup 4 times, the premier league 4 times, the Europa league once and the Champions league one. If people can't understand the reasoning, then god help them. Would it have hurt him to wait another season, probably not... but it might have and it's his career to chose to do whatever he wants.
foxy boxing Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 i think there was a lot of factors why he wanted to leave, with Leicester winning the premier league he felt he couldn't achieve anything else with us and wanted to leave on a high, also the pull of living in London and maybe he thought long term Chelsea were going to have more success than Leicester(his opinion). he could have at least given us one more year to see what happens and play in the champions league with us. that is what really sticks in the throat. we offered him a great contract but he was determined to leave
Babylon Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 8 minutes ago, Gerard said: Why couldn't Leicester keep their best players, improve a couple of positions and do exactly what they did the year before and win the league again? And why couldn't all the other teams spend huge amounts, get in better managers, improve and just do a lot better than last year... and Leicester end up in 7th. That's also quite possible, and when all is said and done more probable. Whether we like it or not, we're viewed as a one off. Even people at the club most probably don't expect to get close to doing that again any time soon. There is a very good reason what happened is viewed as one of the greatest stories in sporting history... because it's a massive freak against the norm.
RastaDog Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 2 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: i think there was a lot of factors why he wanted to leave, with Leicester winning the premier league he felt he couldn't achieve anything else with us and wanted to leave on a high, also the pull of living in London and maybe he thought long term Chelsea were going to have more success than Leicester(his opinion). Indeed. There were undoubtedly a lot of things involved in his decision that we'll never know let alone could appreciate. If you read of his background, you'll realise that we are all a long way from understanding what might motivate him or what his own personal measures of success are, or what his long-term desires are. I personally would not begin to judge him on the basis of stuff I don't know. I can, however, appreciate what he did for us with his performances on the pitch.
Nick Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 Clap when his name is announced - (if it is at all both him and Hazard) and then ignore them for the rest of the game and get behind the team.
lgfualol Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 Should take turns booing and cheering every time he takes a touch, this will confuse him so much he'll run home and we'll win.
Gerard Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 Just now, Babylon said: And why couldn't all the other teams spend huge amounts, get in better managers, improve and just do a lot better than last year... and Leicester end up in 7th. That's also quite possible, and when all is said and done more probable. Whether we like it or not, we're viewed as a one off. Even people at the club most probably don't expect to get close to doing that again any time soon. There is a very good reason what happened is viewed as one of the greatest stories in sporting history... because it's a massive freak against the norm. The classy option to his team mates and the club was to give it one more year and see if this story had more legs in it or if it was a one off. He couldn't get away quick enough and fair enough it's his decision but don't expect me to have anything but disdain for the man, he's made his choice and I won't be one of those subservient fans that give this cretin a round of applause.
treer Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 10 minutes ago, Babylon said: And why couldn't all the other teams spend huge amounts, get in better managers, improve and just do a lot better than last year.. they could, but it is harder than you are suggesting, momentum and confidence is massive in football. And Leicester have both in abundance.
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 25 minutes ago, Captain... said: I would rather play for an also ran CL side than a non CL side. Where is all this disappointed and not buying into the team ethos come from? He was one of the happiest players on the pitch and on the pitch pretty much embodied our whole ethos, he looked pretty happy at Vardy's house celebrating the title and on the pitch after Everton. Ok he wasn't in Denmark with the turtles, but that was probably more of a drinking thing, hence why Mahrez wasn't there either and would rather spend a few days with his family than in Copenhagen on the piss. He also did media stuff with Mahrez, he wasn't some weird outcast excluded from the clique. Well as I've told you about six times now if the non CL side has much better long term prospects that's putting the short term before the long term. That's obviously how he viewed it. For some reason this thread is full of exaggerations and this is yet another one, who said he was an outcast? I said he didn't buy into it, i.e he cared considerably less about it than the rest of them he was clearly part of it, but you hardly saw anything of him compared to the rest of them when they pushing this "band of brothers" stuff in various media avenues. It was never going to play as bigger part in his decision to stay or go as the others. It was obvious he was going to leave from the minute he made it rather clear he was happy there were rumours about him leaving, and if you look back I was saying that for about 2 months before he left.
Simoken Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 2 minutes ago, Samilktray said: Fvck him he's a nob head. On that note, lock thread?
jayfox26 Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 It is mixed feelings with him as yes he was a big part of our league title win but it was shitty him leaving to go to Chelsea. If he'd have gone abroad fair enough but to leave to a rival who aren't even in Europe made little sense to me. He could have given us 1 more season. So with this in mind I understand people who will applaud him (me being one) but I would also understand people who boo him. I will applaud him but a big part of me would also want to boo him.
Captain... Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 7 minutes ago, Babylon said: That's toss, we aren't going to have paid him £150k a week or whatever they are. It's fairly bloody obvious why we wanted to leave. More money and a move to a more well known, more glamorous club, with much better long term prospects. A team who have won the FA cup 6 times in the last 20 years, the league cup 4 times, the premier league 4 times, the Europa league once and the Champions league one. If people can't understand the reasoning, then god help them. Would it have hurt him to wait another season, probably not... but it might have and it's his career to chose to do whatever he wants. Where are you getting £150k a week from, any reports I've seen have it at £110-120k we may have drawn the line at £100k but it is not difficult to offer a performance related add ons to get him up to around the same amount. Yes Chelsea have won a lot in the last 20 years, and got through 15 mangers (10 in the last 10 years) and countless players in the process. Conte may have been a big factor in him going, but he could be out the job before the end of this season, just like Avram Grant, Scolari, AVB and Di Matteo were. How anyone could look at the Chelsea dressing room last season and thought, "that is where I want to be" is beyond me. It is a toxic club with horrible fans (unless you are JT) a meddling thief as an owner and a revolving door on the manager's office. They may win more than us in the next 5 years, but with Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Spurs and now Everton all looking like challenging on multiple fronts. My main issue is not that he left, but he left for Chelsea, I could understand him going to Arsenal or Man City even Spurs, United or Liverpool but Chelsea?
Vardinio'sCat Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 Who knows what has really gone on? Did his missus not settle? I know he got his english up and going quickly, but I doubt she managed it in less than a year. West London has the biggest concentration of French citizens in the UK, she/he would be closer to family/elderly relatives (I presume he didn't bring his whole family to Leicester) via Eurostar. London will no doubt have a proper community of his people (French/Mali?) etc,etc. My point is it doesn't have to be all about us, and our perceived status, or the money. Not every foreign import is going to settle, even when they are giving everything on the pitch, as NG did. That is the risk you take with this kind of player.
HighPeakFox Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 The irony of people on here calling Kanté a cretin. My goodness, take a long hard look at yourselves.
Captain... Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 9 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Well as I've told you about six times now if the non CL side has much better long term prospects that's putting the short term before the long term. That's obviously how he viewed it. For some reason this thread is full of exaggerations and this is yet another one, who said he was an outcast? I said he didn't buy into it, i.e he cared considerably less about it than the rest of them he was clearly part of it, but you hardly saw anything of him compared to the rest of them when they pushing this "band of brothers" stuff in various media avenues. It was never going to play as bigger part in his decision to stay or go as the others. It was obvious he was going to leave from the minute he made it rather clear he was happy there were rumours about him leaving, and if you look back I was saying that for about 2 months before he left. But it isn't a case of you can join Chelsea now or never play for a big club ever again. If they are good long term prospects of being a CL team again, then let them prove it first. There is so much that could go wrong at a club like Chelsea, look at last season.
Babylon Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 23 minutes ago, Gerard said: The classy option to his team mates and the club was to give it one more year and see if this story had more legs in it or if it was a one off. He couldn't get away quick enough and fair enough it's his decision but don't expect me to have anything but disdain for the man, he's made his choice and I won't be one of those subservient fans that give this cretin a round of applause. Class has got nothing to do with it, there was a better offer and he took it. People are deluding themselves if they don't believe many of the other players would have done the same thing. None of us know what his decision making process was or how he felt about it. So I don't know how you can say he couldn't get away quick enough. You're calling someone a cretin for deciding to not play for your football club any more, it's childish.
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 2 minutes ago, Captain... said: But it isn't a case of you can join Chelsea now or never play for a big club ever again. If they are good long term prospects of being a CL team again, then let them prove it first. There is so much that could go wrong at a club like Chelsea, look at last season. Bloody could be for all you know, who's to say he's capable for maintaining his form? I think your ultimately missing the point anyway, there are obviously reasons for staying, the point being illustrated to you is there are reasons to leave as well, the mans decision should just be accepted and we should move on, we got half decent money which he isn't looking anything like paying back at the minute. Plus ignoring all that I've very skeptical how much the decision to leave was that much to do with him anyway.
Captain... Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 1 minute ago, Manwell Pablo said: Bloody could be for all you know, who's to say he's capable for maintaining his form? I think your ultimately missing the point anyway, there are obviously reasons for staying, the point being illustrated to you is there are reasons to leave as well, the mans decision should just be accepted and we should move on, we got half decent money which he isn't looking anything like paying back at the minute. Plus ignoring all that I've very skeptical how much the decision to leave was that much to do with him anyway. Possibly so, I just wish he hadn't gone to Chelsea, but now he has I just wish he could do us all a favour and be open and honest about the reasons. I won't boo him, but I can't bring myself to clap him, nor suppress the feelings of schadenfreude when I read his performances haven't been great. It is all probably irrelevant as Conte would be an idiot to risk him in this game, I wouldn't even put him on the bench, give him the night off by the time we play them at home again we will have played them away and he will be more prepared for any abuse and by that point we might be less "butt-hurt" as we will hopeful be doing well in both league and CL with Big Dan and little Papys smashing them up in the middle.
Gerard Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 9 minutes ago, Babylon said: Class has got nothing to do with it, there was a better offer and he took it. People are deluding themselves if they don't believe many of the other players would have done the same thing. None of us know what his decision making process was or how he felt about it. So I don't know how you can say he couldn't get away quick enough. You're calling someone a cretin for deciding to not play for your football club any more, it's childish. As far as I'm concerned football is tribal, either you're with us or against us. You can sit there and applaud him when he couldn't give a damn about you or the club you support. I would prefer if everyone was completely indifferent towards him but because of the subservient clappers I'll be forced to boo to neutralise it and make him aware that we don't think it's acceptable for him to leave the league champions for another English club not in Europe after one season and still on an upwards trajectory. You clap as hard as you like and think of people like me as childish all you like and I'll boo him and think people like you don't mind being shat on.
RastaDog Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 1 minute ago, Captain... said: I just wish he hadn't gone to Chelsea I certainly agree with that, but that speaks more to my dislike of Chelsea! In honesty, I would have preferred that he went to a non-EPL club. But then he didn't ask me. Surprising that.
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 4 minutes ago, Captain... said: Possibly so, I just wish he hadn't gone to Chelsea, but now he has I just wish he could do us all a favour and be open and honest about the reasons. I won't boo him, but I can't bring myself to clap him, nor suppress the feelings of schadenfreude when I read his performances haven't been great. It is all probably irrelevant as Conte would be an idiot to risk him in this game, I wouldn't even put him on the bench, give him the night off by the time we play them at home again we will have played them away and he will be more prepared for any abuse and by that point we might be less "butt-hurt" as we will hopeful be doing well in both league and CL with Big Dan and little Papys smashing them up in the middle. You miss understand me if you think I don't, I find it hilarious. But this is just about mutual apperciation (he'll probably clap back) Nor do I particularly have a problem with people being neutral, just booing him I find bizarre. People say we owe him nothing when he was one of the players of the season in a PL title winning side, it's beggers belief, I'd love to know what he would actually have to do in order for us to owe him something.
Wymsey Posted 20 September 2016 Posted 20 September 2016 Amartey, potentially, is better than him all-round. I can see him clapping back, if the home fans do when his name is announced just before kick off. That'd do, then move on.
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