Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 Enjoyed attending my first CL game but Christ was it frustrating. Tactically awful and the passing was atrocious. Danny D will be off to pastures new if that continues. Only person not entirely reliant on hoofing. Poor old strikers. At one point, in possession I saw 3 straight lines. No variety of movement at all. Tactically really poor.
Babylon Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 2 hours ago, foxhateram said: But we gave the ball back to the opposition as often last season. Hence us having such low possesion facts. Tonight was like last seasons side and we looked good. We did score 2 goals remember and the second (which was not bloody offside!) was really well worked. In spells we also played some good football and kept the ball much better. Not sure where all the negativity is coming from! We just won against a side with a very strong team who haven't lost for a fairly long amount of time. King a stand out performer for me. His big challenges and interceptions were vital tonight. He has to start against Palace now. A step above Amartey who's positioning i feel is often questionable, despite his quality of holding up the ball. As for late subs. I think Ulloa and Okazaki were the right changes. Okazaku helped us fill the midfield a little more and Ulloa always offers extra height for defending and also knocking on Scheichels distribution. Overall I think we arrived with a plan and pulled it off. On to the next game please. The negativity is coming from people who don't think we played like that last year and don't think we played very well. If you think that's how we played and you enjoyed watching the ball endlessly launched forward without much hope or idea then I'm pleased for you. I thought it was utter dog turd and nothing like last year (barring one or two games). We've always been a team that mixed it up, one minute a direct ball, the next a speedy passing counter attack, or like in spells second half. Some nice passing and moving. Last night we looked like the long ball team Spurs labeled us wrongly. Funnily enough on the back of a similar performance at their place where we were god awful and resorted to pumping the ball forward aimlessly. The first half was nothing more than a lump fest. We attacked with a plan and with pace and precision last year, that for me was not how we played. It was a lack of options that just forced us into hoofing it. I touched on it in my first post. The amount of times DD would get the ball in the middle, both wingers ran away to their wings, both strikers move forwards (none of them particularly into space or into an area it was easy to pass to) and he was left with either knocking it back to a defender who would launch it, or for him to launch another hopeful ball himself.
The whole world smiles Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 5 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Enjoyed attending my first CL game but Christ was it frustrating. Tactically awful and the passing was atrocious. Danny D will be off to pastures new if that continues. Only person not entirely reliant on hoofing. Poor old strikers. At one point, in possession I saw 3 straight lines. No variety of movement at all. Tactically really poor. Doesn't sound like you enjoyed it very much at all.
Babylon Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 8 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Enjoyed attending my first CL game but Christ was it frustrating. Tactically awful and the passing was atrocious. Danny D will be off to pastures new if that continues. Only person not entirely reliant on hoofing. Poor old strikers. At one point, in possession I saw 3 straight lines. No variety of movement at all. Tactically really poor. Whilst the strikers aren't getting service, they also need to shoulder some of the blame for both of them constantly wanting to be up top and neither of them offering themselves for an easy ball. I can only presume that's how Ranieri wants to play as he's stock piled line leading strikers and had no interest in a 10 with quality who will drop off.
Guest Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 It's probably getting to that point where we need to not play Vardy. I'm not sure if he is tired, off his game or thinks he is the dogs dangly bits but something is not clicking. I'd like to see and Slimani Shinji combo
worthosoriginals Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 1 hour ago, GloverFox said: Un-frigging believable ..... just got into work to be confronted by one man shitty fan and one spudder fan both whining that we got an easy group and that all the teams in our group are championship level at best!!!! F@@king really !!! Whinging tw@ts ... when explained that you can only play what's put in front of you they both, simultaneously went into a tirade of how we are going to get destroyed in the knock-out stages!!! don't you just love bitter and twisted opposing fans????!!!! Theres quite a few on foxes talk here been saying the same as those opposing fans you have at work.
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 37 minutes ago, Babylon said: The negativity is coming from people who don't think we played like that last year and don't think we played very well. If you think that's how we played and you enjoyed watching the ball endlessly launched forward without much hope or idea then I'm pleased for you. I thought it was utter dog turd and nothing like last year (barring one or two games). We've always been a team that mixed it up, one minute a direct ball, the next a speedy passing counter attack, or like in spells second half. Some nice passing and moving. Last night we looked like the long ball team Spurs labeled us wrongly. Funnily enough on the back of a similar performance at their place where we were god awful and resorted to pumping the ball forward aimlessly. The first half was nothing more than a lump fest. We attacked with a plan and with pace and precision last year, that for me was not how we played. It was a lack of options that just forced us into hoofing it. I touched on it in my first post. The amount of times DD would get the ball in the middle, both wingers ran away to their wings, both strikers move forwards (none of them particularly into space or into an area it was easy to pass to) and he was left with either knocking it back to a defender who would launch it, or for him to launch another hopeful ball himself. Great post Babs and I agree completely. You're spot on. We can be both pleased that we won and look near to qualifying whilst at the same time a little concerned as to HOW we won because frankly I still don't really know? I think Copenhagen will come away from last night's game wondering how they didn't get a point.
kingcarr21 Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 Listening to the podcast and its just said that Michael Owen thinks Vardy isn't a natural goal scorer and is a streaky player (sorry if mentioned already). No i suppose last season completely bypassed you. Lots of players could have got MOTM. Drinky, King, Morgan were great. Personally i thought Simpson was immense. Had a great game.
dannythefox Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 A good win last night, kingy again puts in a performance when he's called up on. We'll need to play better than that to be palace though. Wasn't happy with all the hoofing up field all the time but raniari said on the radio after that was the tactics so the players was only doing what he asked.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 We have no drive going forward, players too static and nobody available to pass to a lot of the time, possibly a lack of confidence through the team. We won though, lets make it back to back wins, I'm one who likes to see a winning team remain unchanged so I'd stick with the same side and let the confidence grow.
reynard Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 29 minutes ago, Babylon said: The negativity is coming from people who don't think we played like that last year and don't think we played very well. If you think that's how we played and you enjoyed watching the ball endlessly launched forward without much hope or idea then I'm pleased for you. I thought it was utter dog turd and nothing like last year (barring one or two games). We've always been a team that mixed it up, one minute a direct ball, the next a speedy passing counter attack, or like in spells second half. Some nice passing and moving. Last night we looked like the long ball team Spurs labeled us wrongly. Funnily enough on the back of a similar performance at their place where we were god awful and resorted to pumping the ball forward aimlessly. The first half was nothing more than a lump fest. We attacked with a plan and with pace and precision last year, that for me was not how we played. It was a lack of options that just forced us into hoofing it. I touched on it in my first post. The amount of times DD would get the ball in the middle, both wingers ran away to their wings, both strikers move forwards (none of them particularly into space or into an area it was easy to pass to) and he was left with either knocking it back to a defender who would launch it, or for him to launch another hopeful ball himself. Agree 100% with this. What concerns me is the post match interview with Ranieri confirmed that the pointless and aimless hoofball of the first half was basically his tactical plan. If this really is his plan B then we are going to be in for a very long hard season. Also it sort of admits that we don't have any alternatives of playing the ball through the middle because we basically don't have any attacking central midfield options that can drop their shoulder and go past a player. The other question for me is who plays up front? Initial indications against Burnley were that Vardy and Slimani might be ok together but frankly yesterday they looked a poor partnership. They were either too far apart or too close together. Slimani worked hard but lacks raw pace. Vardy seems to have lost a yard of pace and frankly the effort doesn't seem to be there or he has been told not to close down so energetically. last season he set the tempo for the team this year his tempo is more of a slow waltz and I feel that is transferring itself to the rest of the team. Not surprisingly our goal came from one of the very few decent spells of play we produced in the whole of the first half. For most of the first half we played a frankly embarrassing form of kick and rush with no quality. For 15 to 20 minutes at the start of the second half we passed the ball on the ground and actually saw some movement off the ball and surprise surprise actually looked quite good until we suddenly seemed to forget about this and revert to aimless long balls once again. If we play like this against Palace we will lose. Obviously it is fantastic to be playing in the Champions league and to be winning all our games but anyone who wants to hide away from the fact that in so doing our performances have not always been of a high quality is entitled to do so. However, those who want to complain are quite right to do so as well. We have invested over 60 million (gross) in the squad over the summer and the improvements just aren't happening yet. I have to say that after last season I didn't expect us to do anywhere near as well but neither did I expect to be served up football of astonishingly low quality with at times what appears to be little tactical nous.
jon1bc Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 11 hours ago, Callabinho said: Poor game overall. Pretty drab performance too....kept hopelessly lofting the ball up to the two front with no real product. They were fairly tidy without being really effective, but I agree that if they had a quality player up top they probably would have bagged at least one tonight. I think the win papers over a few cracks, I thought we were too static again and they found space at times far too easily behind our back four. I think their style suited us nicely to be fair, they were fairly slow in their build up but a better team would've beaten us. Palace will be tough one at the weekend, improvement needed. Agreed. Obviously please with the result but there was too much long ball hoofing in the first half - giving possession away too easily. We desperately need someone in midfield who is confident at driving forward with the ball instead of backwards/sideays passing, it's so frustrating. Great to see Slimani chase the balls down like he did, Vardy also seemed to put more effort in to this like last season. Important to start against Palace like we started the 2nd half last night.
Babylon Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 21 minutes ago, reynard said: What concerns me is the post match interview with Ranieri confirmed that the pointless and aimless hoofball of the first half was basically his tactical plan. Dear god I hope something was lost in translation with the players, because that was awful. Releasing the ball quickly because the opposition will close you down quickly is fine. Aimless hoofs and punting because nobody can be arsed to move towards the man with the ball, providing him an option is not ok.
Ollie93 Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 As Vin Diesel once said, " It don’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning’s winning".
lcfcsnow Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 I'm a bit concerned as Ranieri said himself that he told the team he didn't want to keep possession, and to keep pumping the long balls over the top. I don't know if he's just making excuses now as he did for Vardy after he came in for criticism from Shearer or that was the actual plan for the entire match. I suppose it worked as a one off but that's no way to go about playing, if that's the gameplan on Saturday I can't see it going down well. Let's hope we sign that midfielder in January for the next round.
Babylon Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 25 minutes ago, Ollie93 said: As Vin Diesel once said, " It don’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning’s winning". Vin Diesel is a **** and his films are shit though.
AKCJ Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 Not sure if it's been mentioned but we will definitely be playing European football in 2017 now. 9 points means we've guaranteed a Europa League spot at worst.
filbertstreet Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 5 minutes ago, Babylon said: Vin Diesel is a **** and his films are shit though. I agree, I much prefer Vin Petrol
tyfox Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 If we get another win do we qualify for the next round?
MrSpaM Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 I think part of the problem we have at the minute is down to the fact that Vardy is trying way to hard just to get on the score sheet. He's not tracking back and chasing down all the time any more, he's just sitting up top hoping he gets the ball, and Slimani isn't exactly offering much defensive cover. When Shinji came on last night it was so obvious how much we miss his constant chasing of the ball. It's honestly getting to the point now where we need to be thinking about dropping Vardy and starting Shinji up top with Slimani
WigstonWanderer Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 Excellent result, but difficult to stomach the hoofball at times. We look so much better (and more effective) wen keeping the ball on the ground. what as save from Kasper!
HighPeakFox Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 12 minutes ago, tyfox said: If we get another win do we qualify for the next round? Yes
HighPeakFox Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 Just now, tyfox said: Thanks mate. Most likely as winners too
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 19 October 2016 Posted 19 October 2016 A real European night at the ground last night. 3 in 3 in Europe, as we approach the knockout stages of the Champions League. Another result in the right direction, Simpson, King and Mahrez all very good. Hopefully Morgan is ok for Saturday, he was good but did notice him limping in parts, during the match. For me, between Simpson and King for MOTM. That Schmeichel save was top draw. Excellent reactions to get across, he was well worthy of the crowd ringing with his name. Match winning save. Got to be honest I'd be looking at starting King in the Premier League. Certainly for away games at least, in a three man midfield. He was reliable last night, comes in, slots in and plays well. Important to have a player like that in the squad. Copenhagen fans were up there with the best we've had at the ground last night. Great work by Union FS with another memorable Tifo display. Onto Palace (H) on Saturday, hopefully we can take this European form into the league campaign.
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