IF Ranieri HAS lost the Dressing Room, How Did This Happen?

[Donut]

Whats even more bizarre, is it seems like the chief ringleaders of the revolt are the ones who are putting in the performances most consistently?!?!?!

 

Schmeichel is having a decent(ish) season in a struggling team, and Ulloa pops up with important goals too.

 

Drinkwater had a good spell of form at the beginning of the season and has utterly collapsed, his body language is terrible.

 

IF all this stuff is true, something radical must have happened. No way was anyone questionning anything last season. Not with the amount of effort they were giving.

[foxes21]

4 minutes ago, biggs said:

If we lose to Derby of all teams.....omg.....that would hurt bad and arguably at that point we could seriously question whether or not big problems are brewing within.

 

 

if the players are unhappy.. Not bothering, and ultimately losing to Derby would certainly make a statement to the owners. Just hope its journo talk.

[HankMarvin]

8 minutes ago, LJS said:

The "Pearson never lost by more than two goals" argument is piss weak. We were ****ing awful for most of that season and deserved to be bottom of the league. A myth has grown that we were never as bad as that. We were. We were loaing narrowly because Pearson began to set us up negatively because we were conceding too many early on in the season. We may not have been on the end of thrashings but we rarely looked like scoring either. Four central midfielders at home to West Brom. The disgrace of a performance at Villa Park in the FA Cup. I'm a Pearson fan but let's not be pretending he had no faults. Thankfully he took a more positive tactical approaxh when it lookked as though there was little left to lose.

 

It is also false that Ranieri won the league riding the crest of a Pearson initiated wave. He absolutely benefited from the team spirit and backroom systems put in place by Pearson. I'm sure Ranieri would be the first to acknowledge this. But his tactical approach has been different from that of Pearson and it was Ranieri who made the tactical change (opting for less attacking full backs, which had made us the most exciting team in the country but left us exposed at the back) which ultimately won us the league. We became champions for a lot of reasons. Long term building. Ranieri's tactical nous. Team spirit. Luck. Lots of ingredients were required and things fell into place.

 

If it is true that Ranieri has lost the dressing room then the players are ***** to a man. This man won them the league. The bloke has had a mostly excellent career, managing big clubs at the top end of big leagues. Yes, there are black marks on his CV.  But when a career is as long as Ranieri's some leaner times are inevitable. What had any of our players achieved before last season, in relative terms? Next to **** all. Unfortunately we can't just get rid of all the players. So Ranieri will have to go. It's a massive shame but if the dressing room is lost then the manager is the one to leave. I hope we give him until the end of the season and let him leave with some dignity. 

 

 

Not much dignity in relegating the Champions in the following season for the first time in modern history.

 

its about as dignified as sending him to do a lap of honour with his trousers off, pants round his ankles and toilet paper stuck in his cheeks

[LJS]

Just now, HankMarvin said:

Not much dignity in relegating the Champions in the following season for the first time in modern history

If the rumours are true - and the Football Weekly boys are very well connected - then it will be the players who will have got us relegated, not the manager.

 

They ought to be ****ing ashamed of themselves.

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

If the rumours are true - and the Football Weekly boys are very well connected - then it will be the players who will have got us relegated, not the manager.

 

They ought to be ****ing ashamed of themselves.

As we saw with Chelsea, once the players fall out then its the manager that suffers.

Thats modern football i guess

[Donut]

If all this stuff is true, its pathetic.

 

It really is a pathetic reflection on our players.

 

For one, has there ever been a more selfish bunch? lavished with praise from everywhere, free cars, massive pay increases, basically the freedom of the city where they WERE (doing everything to tarnish it) legends, to now not being arsed to play football?

 

What kind of character does a person have that values giving no effort as a grudge against someone more highly than actually trying to win a game? human instinct when playing a sport or game is trying to win it, irrespective of external factors.

 

If interviewed, every one of them to a man would say we are behind the manager. YOU ARE LYING. Then if they magically discover more energy and effort they will look absolutely ridiculous.

 

All of this while drawing their wages from the club. What is any of this any different from stealing from a till in a shop? youre deliberately damaging the operations of the company you work for. Youre blackmailing the bosses too, saying if you dont make a change, youll get no effort. And knowing FULL WELL youll be the ones to get away with it when push comes to shove.

 

DISGUSTING

 

 

 

 

[foxes21]

can see the players losing to derby on purpose if the guardian journos are correct. the perfect occasion to force ranieri out i'm afraid.

 

great shame because i'm still hoping he can turn this around.

[Foxhateram]

Sounds like Ranieri is turning the screw now that Walsh is out the way. Rudkin isn't exactly a people's favourite either. As I've stated before.

 

I wonder if Walsh leaving was to do with Ranieri and the players resent him for that. Walsh was a huge character at the club and his coaching and mentoring style were highly rated.

 

Everyone knows my views on Pearson, I think the players had a lot to prove last year and I think part of that was to prove to Nige that he had built a fantastix team. 

 

If Kasper says there is an issue with Claudio, then i trust our senior players and will say. Cheerio Don. 

[Izzy]

9 minutes ago, foxes21 said:

can see the players losing to derby on purpose if the guardian journos are correct. the perfect occasion to force ranieri out i'm afraid.

 

great shame because i'm still hoping he can turn this around.

The day a Leicester team loses on purpose is the day I jack it all in. 

[lgfualol]

Depressing how we seem to have gone from jubilation and a united team to having something toxic going on behind the scenes and a team of egos. 

 

If it is all true. At this point I want Ranieri to leave for his own good. Good luck to the next manager inheriting this lot - remember to be nice, stroke their egos and let them dictate the team else they will  turn on you. 

[Donut]

2 minutes ago, foxhateram said:

Sounds like Ranieri is turning the screw now that Walsh is out the way. Rudkin isn't exactly a people's favourite either. As I've stated before.

 

I wonder if Walsh leaving was to do with Ranieri and the players resent him for that. Walsh was a huge character at the club and his coaching and mentoring style were highly rated.

 

Everyone knows my views on Pearson, I think the players had a lot to prove last year and I think part of that was to prove to Nige that he had built a fantastix team. 

 

If Kasper says there is an issue with Claudio, then i trust our senior players and will say. Cheerio Don. 

So just to be clear on this one, youre giving your backing to those who arent trying who you believe are doing the right thing.

 

You also believe they needed to prove a point that they were actually brilliant, when only capable of fighting a relegation battle, as a token gesture to the man who managed them in the relegation battle.

 

Thats an interesting viewpoint. To say the least.

[TheSomersetFox]

25 minutes ago, foxhateram said:

Sounds like Ranieri is turning the screw now that Walsh is out the way. Rudkin isn't exactly a people's favourite either. As I've stated before.

 

I wonder if Walsh leaving was to do with Ranieri and the players resent him for that. Walsh was a huge character at the club and his coaching and mentoring style were highly rated.

 

Everyone knows my views on Pearson, I think the players had a lot to prove last year and I think part of that was to prove to Nige that he had built a fantastix team. 

 

If Kasper says there is an issue with Claudio, then i trust our senior players and will say. Cheerio Don. 

Agree with this. I am on the side of the senior players if these stories are true, certainly if one of them is Kasper. He would usually come out and talk of how highly he rated Pearson as a manager, so I trust in his judgement. (Some of you may disagree, mind).

The senior players have all been here for a long time now and it's hard to believe that they don't care for this club or where it's headed. Claudio seems a great bloke but I doubt the players are relishing playing in this awful, negative system that he's adopted this season. Maybe they're just not enjoying their football under him anymore. Mahrez being told to spend most of the game covering his RB then to go and score a goal on his own is absolutely daft and there is no plan in the way we play. I'm not saying the players are innocent, but the amount of shit they're getting on here after what they've done for us, many of them for a number of years, is a joke. 

[chapero82]

They should play for the owners who pay them very well and give the fans something to cheer as some are travelling hundreds of miles each game to see them not turn up!

 

you can see the way they were with Cambiasso in Vardy's book how arrogant some can be in our team!,

 

what  we did last year was amazing but let's be honest they aren't real world beaters like some of them think they are!

 

its about time players were held accountable for poor performances 

[Koke]

1 hour ago, LJS said:

The "Pearson never lost by more than two goals" argument is piss weak. We were ****ing awful for most of that season and deserved to be bottom of the league. A myth has grown that we were never as bad as that. We were. We were losing narrowly after Pearson began to set us up negatively because we were conceding too many early on in the season. We may not have been on the end of thrashings but we rarely looked like scoring either. Four central midfielders at home to West Brom. The disgrace of a performance at Villa Park in the FA Cup. I'm a Pearson fan but let's not be pretending he had no faults. Thankfully he took a more positive tactical approach when it looked as though there was little left to lose.

 

It is also false that Ranieri won the league riding the crest of a Pearson initiated wave. He absolutely benefited from the team spirit and backroom systems put in place by Pearson. I'm sure Ranieri would be the first to acknowledge this. But his tactical approach has been different from that of Pearson and it was Ranieri who made the tactical change (opting for less attacking full backs, which had made us the most exciting team in the country but left us exposed at the back) which ultimately won us the league. We became champions for a lot of reasons. Long term building. Ranieri's tactical nous. Team spirit. Luck. Lots of ingredients were required and things fell into place.

 

If it is true that Ranieri has lost the dressing room then the players are ***** to a man. This man won them the league. The bloke has had a mostly excellent career, managing big clubs at the top end of big leagues. Yes, there are black marks on his CV.  But when a career is as long as Ranieri's some leaner times are inevitable. What had any of our players achieved before last season, in relative terms? Next to **** all. Unfortunately we can't just get rid of all the players. So Ranieri will have to go. It's a massive shame but if the dressing room is lost then the manager is the one to leave. I hope we give him until the end of the season and let him leave with some dignity. 

 

 

 

100% spot on.

 

And if he has lost the dressing room then the players are *****. He gave many of those the only limelight they've had in their entire career. He resurrected the careers of Simpson, Albrighton etc. and actually made them relevant. 

 

 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

The day a Leicester team loses on purpose is the day I jack it all in. 

some of the play of late has that look about it

[Koke]

1 hour ago, lgfualol said:

Depressing how we seem to have gone from jubilation and a united team to having something toxic going on behind the scenes and a team of egos. 

 

If it is all true. At this point I want Ranieri to leave for his own good. Good luck to the next manager inheriting this lot - remember to be nice, stroke their egos and let them dictate the team else they will  turn on you. 

 

I can almost guess who the main ***** in the dressing room are. 

 

Really sad that it has come to this. 

[evil jack]

26 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

I can almost guess who the main ***** in the dressing room are. 

Go on...

[smudger63]

2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Thats good of you your highness

 

Unfortunately your not going to agree with everything you read on a forum as its opinion based, the point is it shows how shit we have been in comparison to such a bad time 2 years ago.

 

ffs

ffs

fffs

 

Lets not upset you anymore and for your benefit not reference the previous manager with the same nucleus of team and how they performed.

 

Except that at the same stage 2 years ago we had 4 less points and were bottom of the table!

Were you calling for Pearson to be sacked at that time?

Did you believe that Pearson had lost the dressing room, due to his dull, defensive "we have to stay in the game tactics" at that time? (Stay in the game, don`t get tonked but lose most weeks tactics, i should say)

I have said this before on here, We would not have won the league last year with Pearson in charge, we would also not have won the league in my opinion, with any other manager, other than Ranieri.

If and it`s a big if, some of the players are not behind Ranieri, then they should be ashamed of themselves.

Ranieri also deserves a damn site more respect from some of our fans too, because he took a bunch of average players, and took them to a level that gave us the most unbelievable season, achieving something we would never have dreamt could happen to us, even in our wildest dreams.

I`m not happy with how we are playing, and yes i`m concerned, but Ranieri above any other manager in the clubs history, deserves the support of our fans, and the chance to turn us around.

Also any player that doesn`t want to play for Ranieri, while he is the manager, ultimately does not want to play for our club, and should be bombed out at the earliest possible opportunity, who ever that player or players may be!

[HankMarvin]

8 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Except that at the same stage 2 years ago we had 4 less points and were bottom of the table!

Were you calling for Pearson to be sacked at that time?

Did you believe that Pearson had lost the dressing room, due to his dull, defensive "we have to stay in the game tactics" at that time? (Stay in the game, don`t get tonked but lose most weeks tactics, i should say)

I have said this before on here, We would not have won the league last year with Pearson in charge, we would also not have won the league in my opinion, with any other manager, other than Ranieri.

If and it`s a big if, some of the players are not behind Ranieri, then they should be ashamed of themselves.

Ranieri also deserves a damn site more respect from some of our fans too, because he took a bunch of average players, and took them to a level that gave us the most unbelievable season, achieving something we would never have dreamt could happen to us, even in our wildest dreams.

I`m not happy with how we are playing, and yes i`m concerned, but Ranieri above any other manager in the clubs history, deserves the support of our fans, and the chance to turn us around.

Also any player that doesn`t want to play for Ranieri, while he is the manager, ultimately does not want to play for our club, and should be bombed out at the earliest possible opportunity, who ever that player or players may be!

yeah slightly different circumstances, like having a team that just won the league full of confidence as opposed to a team just promoted.

oh yeah add to that 70 million on players.

I wasnt NPs biggest fan but i think he would be doing a better job this season based on the players that dont look like they give a shit anymore and the rumours of not wanting to play for CR.

 

[EnglishOxide]

2 hours ago, LJS said:

The "Pearson never lost by more than two goals" argument is piss weak. We were ****ing awful for most of that season and deserved to be bottom of the league. A myth has grown that we were never as bad as that. We were. We were losing narrowly after Pearson began to set us up negatively because we were conceding too many early on in the season. We may not have been on the end of thrashings but we rarely looked like scoring either. Four central midfielders at home to West Brom. The disgrace of a performance at Villa Park in the FA Cup. I'm a Pearson fan but let's not be pretending he had no faults. Thankfully he took a more positive tactical approach when it looked as though there was little left to lose.

 

You are missing the point a bit here.

 

The point is that by staying competitive and keeping losing scorelines down to one or two, it fosters a spirit of competitiveness. We are still in the match.

 

Nobody is saying he was without faults. But the approach of being solid and carrying on getting stuck in despite conceding is a great one to take and keeps confidence/players attitudes up because it keeps them motivated that they can get better from the next game.

 

Getting battered by 3 or 4 every other week, and presumably being asked to play in a negative style probably leaves players thinking 'why bother' and looking forward either a transfer window or their summer holidays. 

 

You can't underestimate the effects of not only being battered but also not enjoying your football has on confidence. You get players trying to do too much by themselves, second guessing their decision making, positioning and questioning their own ability.

 

From evidence so far, Ranieri is not as good as maintaining team spirit as Pearson was. It was easy last season when the going was good. Now that the going is bad he is so far failing to lift the team.

 

Hopefully he solves it.

[UPinCarolina]

You're a ***king professional; do your damn job and STFU. 

 

I hope this story is a windup, otherwise I am irate. 

[Struwwelpeter60]

18 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

yeah slightly different circumstances, like having a team that just won the league full of confidence as opposed to a team just promoted.

oh yeah add to that 70 million on players.

I wasnt NPs biggest fan but i think he would be doing a better job this season based on the players that dont look like they give a shit anymore and the rumours of not wanting to play for CR.

 

They are not playing for CR or any other manager. They are playing for

LCFC, that is paying their wages.

Perhaps somebody should explain to them, what  "refusal to work" and

"dismissal for exceptional reasons" mean in real life.

Yes, even a footballer can be fired, if he is harming the interests of

his employer.

[urban.spaceman]

Starting to get deeply, deeply worried about all of this.

[Struwwelpeter60]

12 minutes ago, EnglishOxide said:

From evidence so far, Ranieri is not as good as maintaining team spirit as Pearson was.

And what about the story, that, two years ago, it was the team, led by Cambiasso,

who decided, in a players session without Pearson, to change the formation to 352?

Do you remember?

[Dan]

I honestly think we need a total rebuild. It's ridiculous but we do.