dynamark Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 ENDS is the new chief PR man Endelbert Stumperdink.Very experienced by all accounts. Love the orphanage post -is the taking part notthe winning.Had this conversation with my daughter some years ago and we agree that as someone had to win it may as well be her.
polarbear Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 8 minutes ago, Foxxed said: Neer, you just suffer the ensuing few years, and point them in the direction of an indoor job with no heavy lifting. I still think we should give Ranners until the end of the season. And the fact he tried earlier in the season to change the formation, but the players wouldn't let him, is also favourable to him. And how the team itself is funnelled through Morgan, notably protected by the super human N'golo last season, suggests there may be some internal team difficulty. But since we've spent loads of money on brilliant new players, like we've never seen (except for Walsh's finds), and are still struggling in mid-February makes me a little less patient. atm the moment i am in the ranieri camp to stay however that comment isnt in his favour he is the boss and if he felt a formation change would help then he should have enforced it rather than mollycuddling the spoilt brats
Buzzell Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 It's about time the club made this statement. Now all we need is the players to pull their fingers out of their arses and get themselves in gear. C'mon lads.
Foxxed Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 1 minute ago, polarbear said: atm the moment i am in the ranieri camp to stay however that comment isnt in his favour he is the boss and if he felt a formation change would help then he should have enforced it rather than mollycuddling the spoilt brats To be fair, last season Morgan stood up to Ranners, said they wouldn't change their way of playing, and then we won the league with a fantastic team spirit. If he did back down, then there's a fairly huge precedent that this was the best choice for the team. The reality, however...
polarbear Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 2 minutes ago, Foxxed said: To be fair, last season Morgan stood up to Ranners, said they wouldn't change their way of playing, and then we won the league with a fantastic team spirit. If he did back down, then there's a fairly huge precedent that this was the best choice for the team. The reality, however... agree morgan/whoever was right to at the time - we had momentum from the previous season and we showed we were fit, had a work ethic and passion to succeed this time though (assuming from the interviews claudio suggested formation changes around the time of theb man city game) we werent doing so well so he was justified in making changes Incidentally this comes from a lack of pre season (ranieris fault or clubs?) as we didnt have a chance to experiment with different formations/players properly, instead just taking a pasting every 2 days
volpeazzurro Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 19 minutes ago, Babylon said: Even if they do, he needs to pull a game plan out of his arse. Because we currently don't have one and that's nothing to do with the players not being at 100%. The game plan originally was 442 like last year with the exception of one important player who we did, lest we forget, manage to win the odd game without last year, but is a huge loss. It wasn't working and Ranieri, on more than one occasion on here was castigated for not trying different formations. Our midfield wasn't working out. It was neither protecting the back four or creating chances for our forwards. Opposition tactics ie defending deeper also occurred. Vardy to some extent nullified and Drinkwaters form and passing off though still working hard, and having to cover for either an inexperienced kid in Armatey (who gives of his best) or King, not good enough. Vardy work rate has dropped. Marhez not tracking back, looking disinterested, if he seemingly can't dribble past three opposition players, by definition that means there are gaps for other of his players if he bothered to get his head out of his arse. Either way his attitude stinks. Mendy sadly injured before he could even try and get used to the Premiership. Vardy and Slimani seemingly can't seem to play off each other. Ranieri as per the cries, tries various players and formations then gets slaughtered by those same people calling for him to do it in the first place. His squad replacements are either young, inexperienced in the UK, or otherwise not up to the task. Meanwhile confidence drops, Vardy and Marhez still don't up there effort and we continue to lose. There were game plans and even experimental formations which when they failed, Ranieri took the blame for. He also in interviews sides with and doesn't criticise his players (ala Fergie, who knows what goes on behind the scenes ). Come Saturday, I think all our players should be fit and available so we'll see. I'd certainly start with Vardy and Marhez on the bench against Derby with Musa given a go in Vardys role. Chilwell and Benny also to start with Huth or Morgan sidelined. If he's back I'd go 433 with Amartey, Mendy and Ndidi in the middle and bench Drinkwaters also. Derby is important in that a win will breed confidence for the weekend.
Ian S Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 I really don't know what to think.I have been supportive and waiting for us to turn the corner but the last couple of performances has me thinking that only a change will get us out. I have just watched some clips of today's press conference with Ranieri playing the fool ,laughing and joking constantly with not a care in the world.Of course I realise he needs to stay positive but as I commented to a friend a few days ago,this all reminds me of Holloway who never really acknowledged the danger until it was far too late.
Bunyip Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 Oh lord we are down then. This is the kiss of death , the black spot. Well if the owners are going to accept relegation and do nothing to stop this sinking ship why should we bother ? Imagine what the players must be thinking about this cockeyed backing ? What happens if we lose against Swansea ? have we no hope now ? I'm sorry but I just can't see us staying up with him in charge and mores the point neither can the players. This is the most depressing thing I've heard all season.
norwichfox Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 The owners are coming tomorrow...to watch a cup game.....maybe conduct interviews for a Premier Club manager after we serve up even more of the same $hit as has been on view for too long already.
Guest bennytwohats Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 1 hour ago, ealingfox said: Sadly attitudes like this are a big part of the problem. The lack of ambition from the club trickled down to players and fans who started not caring what happened anymore because apparently football finished in May 2016. Baffling to see this from someone so young though, you could semi-understand why this sort of mindset could be the preserve of older fans who've been around the block and seen the lot etc, but you'd think the younger crowd would want more. Actually I think he's spot on. It's in stark contrast to the posters who thought we would waltz into the top 4 and stay there indefinitely. This season was always going to be tough, too many on here expected way too much. the rise was unprecedented, as has been managing the fallout from the rise. I wouldn't try and argue we haven't made a total cockup of it, but recognise the challenging situation for what it was. This season was never going to be easy. Right now the most important thing is a result or two and getting the confidence back up. Winning tomorrow and avoiding defeat on Sunday is the foundation we need to lay. people are quick to forget that for every Silva there is a Phelan, or for every Clement there is a Bradley. I would rather see us stick with a PL winning manager and back him to succeed than toss a coin on the matter.
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 Coming out and giving a statement was the right thing for the club to do given the speculation. Also gives the players some clarity too.
st albans fox Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 42 minutes ago, Babylon said: You really think we lose the next 8 games he's still going to be in charge? They aren't stupid, they are just trying to galvanise the club behind the manager. No - he would resign. He wouldn't force vichai to fire him. (A deal would be done behind the scenes re his compensation as technically resigning would mean he is entitled to nowt)
TheSomersetFox Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 There we go then. Please turn it around Claudio.
fairbanksh Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 Unfortunately Claudio has so much history of losing the dressing room One of the reasons Cambiasso left was they had fallen out previously For all his clubs CR seems bereft of tactical nous and the ability to fight a relegation battle Ask the fans of Juventus Roma etc I do think it's down to the players. It's none sense blaming individual players at the moment they are very low in self belief and are managed by someone they don't believe in Very very sad
Johnthefoxrayner Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 5 minutes ago, fairbanksh said: Unfortunately Claudio has so much history of losing the dressing room One of the reasons Cambiasso left was they had fallen out previously For all his clubs CR seems bereft of tactical nous and the ability to fight a relegation battle Ask the fans of Juventus Roma etc I do think it's down to the players. It's none sense blaming individual players at the moment they are very low in self belief and are managed by someone they don't believe in Very very sad I do believe when the club give the manager there support its the kids of death
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 I'm amazed how many on here don't understand the concept of a public statement of 'confidence'. Yes, the statement confirms the clubs 'commitment' to the current manager, but it is used with respect to the party concerned to also highlight that things can't continue as they are... it is a public warning that things have to improve. The statement will also have a couple of other effects - it will allow the Owners to 1.) monitor the players and fans reaction to this public statement of support - it's no good supporting a man that doesn't have the support of his troops 2.) invites 'unsolicited' approaches for the potential managerial vacancy you may have. People on here should be in no doubt... the support offered is not unwavering and is wholly dependant on a significant upturn within the next 4 games (if not sooner).
fuchsntf Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 3 hours ago, Fox92 said: Big week. He really can't afford to lose to Derby or Swansea. Yes he can...didnt you read the statement..???
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 3 hours ago, Wdywd said: Anyone who doesn't love this man is dead inside This
volpeazzurro Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 15 minutes ago, fairbanksh said: Unfortunately Claudio has so much history of losing the dressing room One of the reasons Cambiasso left was they had fallen out previously For all his clubs CR seems bereft of tactical nous and the ability to fight a relegation battle Ask the fans of Juventus Roma etc I do think it's down to the players. It's none sense blaming individual players at the moment they are very low in self belief and are managed by someone they don't believe in Very very sad Being a Roma supporter I don't think you'll find too many of them against him, or their Southern rivals Napoli for that matter. Not many managers last more than a couple of years in Italy it's worse than here haha.
GaelicFox Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 I'd sooner go down than sack the manager or castigate our amazing owners for backing him in claudio we trust come what may !
GaelicFox Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 15 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: I'm amazed how many on here don't understand the concept of a public statement of 'confidence'. Yes, the statement confirms the clubs 'commitment' to the current manager, but it is used with respect to the party concerned to also highlight that things can't continue as they are... it is a public warning that things have to improve. The statement will also have a couple of other effects - it will allow the Owners to 1.) monitor the players and fans reaction to this public statement of support - it's no good supporting a man that doesn't have the support of his troops 2.) invites 'unsolicited' approaches for the potential managerial vacancy you may have. People on here should be in no doubt... the support offered is not unwavering and is wholly dependant on a significant upturn within the next 4 games (if not sooner). These owners are not cynical football people they will not sack Claudio this season if we go down we go down
polarbear Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 5 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: Being a Roma supporter I don't think you'll find too many of them against him, or their Southern rivals Napoli for that matter. Not many managers last more than a couple of years in Italy it's worse than here haha. i keep an eye on roma too the first season he came in, they were leaking goals and overall looking disjointed. he fixed them and took them to a whisker of the title - lots of 1nils and 2-1s (but they werent boring to watch) the whole he cant handle big egos or lets players get off scott free - whillst losing 1nil in the derby he took off both totti and de rossi to good effect the second season things started to unravel however the context has to be looked at, there wasnt much money to spend, players who were bought by the club (not ranieri) were to the detriment of the current playing style affecting totti vucinic menez. he also had an aging squad to deal with
Johnthefoxrayner Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 1 minute ago, polarbear said: i keep an eye on roma too the first season he came in, they were leaking goals and overall looking disjointed. he fixed them and took them to a whisker of the title - lots of 1nils and 2-1s (but they werent boring to watch) the whole he cant handle big egos or lets players get off scott free - whillst losing 1nil in the derby he took off both totti and de rossi to good effect the second season things started to unravel however the context has to be looked at, there wasnt much money to spend, players who were bought by the club (not ranieri) were to the detriment of the current playing style affecting totti vucinic menez. he also had an aging squad to deal with How can you sack. CR with what he has achieved PL CHAMPIONS. STILL IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE AND THE FAIL. Cup never thought I would see LCFC win the premier what history we have made
polarbear Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 1 minute ago, Johnthefoxrayner said: How can you sack. CR with what he has achieved PL CHAMPIONS. STILL IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE AND THE FAIL. Cup never thought I would see LCFC win the premier what history we have made im in the stay side of the fence (only just)
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