Club statement on Claudio's future

[MC Prussian]

10 minutes ago, Lesteban said:

FYI, Ranieri has been involved in a relegation battle before. Our fans phoning into radio shows, posters on this forum, and plenty of journos (who have no excuse, since it's their job to do this research) should look at what he did at Parma. 

Yes, but that was under different circumstances (Ranieri being appointed as an interim manager in February 2007), at a different club in a different league, facing different obstacles.

Let's also not forget he left Parma again just three months later.

 

With regards to his Juventus adventure, he took over a club high on spirits following its return to Serie A (sound familiar?), finishing third in his first season. The second season syndrome hit him hard after that:

http://blogs.reuters.com/soccer/2009/05/18/ranieri-sacked-by-demanding-juve/

 

Eerie coincidences.

[Lesteban]

6 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Yes, but that was under different circumstances (Ranieri being appointed as an interim manager in February 2007), at a different club in a different league, facing different obstacles.

Let's also not forget he left Parma again just three months later.

He did leave... to become manager of Juventus on the back of the job he did at Parma. Can hardly blame him for taking that step up. A relegation fight is a relegation fight, whether your in Italy or England. 

 

If you're looking for a manager to meet the criteria you suggest you'll be looking for a long time. Pearson is the closest to your description, but even he didn't have a few sulking overpaid and underperforming players seemingly trying to undermine him. Not to mention he was only in one competition, Ranieri has three, for the rest of today at least...

[MC Prussian]

1 minute ago, Lesteban said:

He did leave... to become manager of Juventus on the back of the job he did at Parma. Can hardly blame him for taking that step up. A relegation fight is a relegation fight, whether your in Italy or England. 

Are you now trying to win an argument in Ranieri's favour or are you a fan of the club?

He was sacked as Juve coach under tumultuous circumstances (see link above) - amongst them injuries and alleged personal issues with some of Juve's star players, such as Del Piero or Buffon.

 

This bit here also rings some bells:

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the run of seven league games without a win is deemed as Ranieri’s fault

 

[Wilson_6]

Right he's here and going to be here for a while so whats the point in everyone bitching about him? This is the situation we are stuck with now like it or lump it. We all need to get back behind Claudio now or dont bother going down KP. What is the point in not getting behind him? All it will do is have negative effects. 

[Lesteban]

8 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Are you now trying to win an argument in Ranieri's favour or are you a fan of the club?

He was sacked as Juve coach under tumultuous circumstances (see link above) - amongst them injuries and alleged personal issues with some of Juve's star players, such as Del Piero or Buffon.

 

This bit here also rings some bells:

 

Been a fan since I was 6y/o. Just stating Ranieri has been involved in a successful fight against relegation before, nothing more. 

 

He he isn't going anywhere, might as well get behind him. He is in a stronger position than many of our players. If he makes it to the end of the season, and it looks like he will, players like Morgan are much easier to replace than a title winning manager is. Those causing problems now could well find themselves out the door in the summer. 

[WigstonWanderer]

Just watched the full 17 min Claudio pre-Derby press interview on LCFCTV. He seems very relaxed and refuses to dig out his players. Not sure that's the best thing under the circumstances, but vintage Ranieri, got to admire the man.

[Countryfox]

13 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Mmmmm

 

 

Something tells me you've got a high sex drive Mr MyCocksLong ....     am I right sir am I right !!   

[MC Prussian]

Just now, Lesteban said:

Been a fan since I was 6y/o. Just stating Ranieri has been involved in a successful fight against relegation before, nothing more. 

 

He he isn't going anywhere. Might as well get behind him. He is in a stronger position than many of our players. If he makes it to the end of the season, and it looks like he will, players like Morgan are much easier to replace than a title winning manager is. Those causing problems now could well find themselves out the door in the summer. 

And I'm saying Ranieri's success as an interim manager with Parma doesn't apply to our stance in the Premier League this season. At Parma, they were battling for their lives both in sportive and financial terms (done so for years) and he only managed survival at the last minute.

 

I like Ranieri and I think he's not the sole culprit in this our situation, but he's yet to show he can turn a club around with overpaid, fledgling stars and one on a comparatively massive budget.

[Lesteban]

1 minute ago, MC Prussian said:

And I'm saying Ranieri's success as an interim manager with Parma doesn't apply to our stance in the Premier League this season. At Parma, they were battling for their lives both in sportive and financial terms (done so for years) and he only managed survival at the last minute.

 

I like Ranieri and I think he's not the sole culprit in this our situation, but he's yet to show he can turn a club around with overpaid, fledgling stars and one on a comparatively massive budget.

Nobody can claim the situations are the same, but no living manager I'm aware of has been in our situation before, having won the league and now facing the drop.

 

IMO it has a lot to do with players mentality after winning the league, even Ferguson said his United teams struggled with this and there is no question they had much more talent than us. But again, we are different, our players have achieved more they could have ever dreamed of doing in their careers. No matter what they try now, it will never top what they did last year. Those United players were complacent, but they still had a higher level to push too. Ours have been complacent, and most of them have nowhere to go but down from last year. Just about every manager who has won the Prem and stayed around has remarked about the problems with mentality the next year. 

[volpeazzurro]

44 minutes ago, Babylon said:

They are footballers not robots or computer simulations. It can take time to understand the subtleties of playing in a new position, if you think you can just chuck a random 11 together in any old formation and they are going to understand it perfectly and it's going to work perfectly straight off then this is a totally pointless argument, because I find that notion ridiculous.

You think Fuchs is suddenly going to know the ins and outs of playing a left sided centre back, if he's played most of his career elsewhere? Or Mendy is going to understand his role wide left of a diamond when he's used to playing just sat in front of the defence for his old club are barely asked to contribute in an attacking sense.

 

For it to work and work well each player needs to know exactly where they need to be at any moment in time, in attack and defence. You aren't suddenly going to have all the knowledge you need to know where not just you, but your team mates are going to be at any one moment.

 

Well we won the league slavishly sticking to 442 did we not? That's not working now though, what most people have asked for from the very start was a formation that countered the bigger teams and a formation that countered the lesser teams. There is no team out there that changes formation every single game, nobody wants that and there isn't a single professional out there who'd even suggest that as a tactic. But you can tweak for instance a 433 quite easily to become more defensive or more attacking, just by changing one or two players, rather than throwing out your whole system.

 

God, it's come out that the first players heard of a change in formation was two hours before a game, I'm not sure how anyone can sit there and say that's conducive to getting the best out of a team.

Re the latter it was more probably that they didn't appear to be grasping a concept so he reverted to type who knows. 

 

442 wasn't working regardless of the fact it did last year.  Whether that's because of Kante, teams sitting deep, players not working hard enough,  whatever it was we continued to lose. You like many people on here thing we should have persevered with it seems which is absolutely fine. The other 50% on here howevrr were screaming for a change. Whichever Ranieri chose, 50% of people therefore will think him wrong if we lose.

 

In fairness I do agree with formation with regards to a diamond as it's more complex to pull off. Players of a certain age and experience should however be able to grasp the concept of other formations and adapt (with the exception of the obvious like asking Musa to play centre half). Fuchs as you rightly say is primarily a left back but in the past has played centre half and left midfield. I wouldn't consider being asked to play the left side of a 3 man line of centre halves too tasking for him (as opposed to the left of two). It's more his general current lack of form whatever his position at the moment that's his problem (I will state however that I don't think that that's through lack of effort I his case). 

 

It's just that in some cases people see these issues re Ranieri as black or white, brilliant or useless. Last year how many people marvelled at how he changed players or certain tactics quickly, like 2 subs at half time. Do anything this year and if it doesn't get a result it's all down to him. 

 

We can all see when certain players are not putting a shift in and some of them haven't in which case it wouldn't matter what formation it was. It's interesting to know how certain of them are in training also and it gives a different perspective. Schmeichel invariably stays late and gets youth team players to help with shot stopping. Huth and Fuchs approach things very professionally and work hard despite having a laugh. Amartey trains in the gym after to try and build his strength up. King talks to the youngsters and enquires how they're getting on and encourages them. Marhez allegedly turns up late, wanders round with his earphones on and is lazy. Vardy is allegedly chavvy and treats the kids like shit letting doors go in their faces and not acknowledging them when they do something for him. All allegedly of course, but much of what is going on is down to player attitudes imo and that spills onto the pitch. 

 

If we managed to stay up with Ranieri I can forsee quite a few personnel changes in the summer and not before time. We've got some bright young prospects that we've brought in and can do without them being tainted by certain Billy Big Bollocks  types.

[foxinsocks]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Roberto Mancini, Bielsa, De Boer, Hiddink, David Wagner, Rafa Benitez

 

No guarantees they'd come, no guarantees they would be a huge success but the term no alternatives is rubbish. There's also many more managers I've not listed either in or out of work. Were there no alternatives when we had to get rid of Pearson?

Ric... i am not sure if they would come and if they would be sucessful in the remaining games... nor if i would want them.

I appreciate that some fans would jump at say rafa.... yet i remain in the group that says this can be fixed. ... i am hoping cr will fix it.   It will help them all fix it if we stop calling fir a change. ... i guess i am saying we accept that our destiny is together

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Lesteban said:

FYI, Ranieri has been involved in a relegation battle before. Our fans phoning into radio shows, posters on this forum, and plenty of journos (who have no excuse, since it's their job to do this research) should look at what he did at Parma. 

 

Spoiler alert: he did a superb job, saved them after taking over in February. Such a good job in fact, that it earned him the job of Juventus manager the next season. 

The key bit is he joined them during the relegation battle and worked his magic. He has TAKEN us in to a relegation battle and so far is unable to stop the rot. He was a genius last season, which he often is in his roles to start with. Then it goes up the shitter.

[Ric Flair]

11 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Ric... i am not sure if they would come and if they would be sucessful in the remaining games... nor if i would want them.

I appreciate that some fans would jump at say rafa.... yet i remain in the group that says this can be fixed. ... i am hoping cr will fix it.   It will help them all fix it if we stop calling fir a change. ... i guess i am saying we accept that our destiny is together

Fair enough. I'm backing him for the next few games. If there's zero improvement in results or performance then I can't continue the false belief. 

[Mike Oxlong]

1 hour ago, Countryfox said:

 

Something tells me you've got a high sex drive Mr MyCocksLong ....     am I right sir am I right !!   

Just trying to keep alive the spirit of the chebs  thread

[maddog]

Very good point in Martin Samuel's article yesterday entitled 'mutiny at Leicester' highlighting that all our players are replaceable but it would be much harder to find another manager like Ranieri with the skills to win the league with us.

 

Also makes the point that if we stay up Ranieris position will be stronger than ever, player power will be over and a rebuilding job can begin to establish ourselves as a solid premier league outfit.

 

Of course we'll need to stay up so come on boys.

[Gerard]

2 hours ago, Papasmurf said:

You have rocks in your head if you think for one second any of those would come here.

 

 

Nonsense, of course the likes of  "Roberto Mancini, Bielsa, De Boer, Hiddink, David Wagner, Rafa Benitez" would at least consider us. 

 

Maybe Wagner and Benitez would prefer to see how their seasons turn out in the Championship.

 

The rest I believe are all unemployed and any manager who is unemployed at this time of year would be a fool to turn us down flat unless they think their next job will be a Madrid, Liverpool, Dortmund, etc. We are the 20th biggest income club in the world which has a large transfer and wage budget, to anyone but the world's very best managers we are a club you listen to when a job may be offered.

[Jimothy]

3 hours ago, Papasmurf said:

You have rocks in your head if you think for one second any of those would come here.

 

Roberto Mancini states his short spell at Leicester as the reason why he fell in love with the English game, so I'm sure he'd be tempted.

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, maddog said:

Very good point in Martin Samuel's article yesterday entitled 'mutiny at Leicester' highlighting that all our players are replaceable but it would be much harder to find another manager like Ranieri with the skills to win the league with us.

 

Also makes the point that if we stay up Ranieris position will be stronger than ever, player power will be over and a rebuilding job can begin to establish ourselves as a solid premier league outfit.

 

Of course we'll need to stay up so come on boys.

I disagree with the article to be honest. He seems to be laying all the credit at Renieri's door, when in reality we know it's far more complex than that. Ranieri might have been the figurehead, but without the club building that went before it wouldn't of happened, simple as that.

 

We cannot simply take his viewpoint that Ranieri is seemingly entirely blameless for our current situation and that it's down to our players being precious. I mean, how can you back someones team building when they've not shown an ounce of that ability so far, the more we spend the worse we get? He also has to be at the very least, partially responsible for any dismantling of spirit behind the scenes.

 

I don't like articles written by people who just see lovely jolly Ranieri and base all their opinions around that than what's actually going on down here.

[maddog]

14 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I disagree with the article to be honest. He seems to be laying all the credit at Renieri's door, when in reality we know it's far more complex than that. Ranieri might have been the figurehead, but without the club building that went before it wouldn't of happened, simple as that.

 

We cannot simply take his viewpoint that Ranieri is seemingly entirely blameless for our current situation and that it's down to our players being precious. I mean, how can you back someones team building when they've not shown an ounce of that ability so far, the more we spend the worse we get? He also has to be at the very least, partially responsible for any dismantling of spirit behind the scenes.

 

I don't like articles written by people who just see lovely jolly Ranieri and base all their opinions around that than what's actually going on down here.

I seem to recall last season he wrote of his absolute disgust when the players soaked Ranieri in champagne in the press conference. Which I thought was a bit over the top when the players were just having a laugh and celebrating. 

 

Maybe Ranieri's hand shaking of journalists, jovial nature and always offering headline sound bites like sharks, dilly ding dilly dong, windsurfers, 'I want to kill him' has him very well liked by the media leading to over praising of him.

 

I still feel this season is under such unique one off circumstances having just won the title and with the champions league, that we won't really know if Ranieri can mould us into a stable premier league unit unless he's hear for another couple of years. 

 

I do believe if we stay up and we no longer carry the tag of reigning champions that next season will be much better and steady.

 

But then again this is Leicester City. 

[NeilLCFC]

4 hours ago, justfoxes said:

 

BUT CAN EVERYONE FOOK OFF ABOUT PEARSON HE'S HISTORY AN OSTRICH A TIMEBOMB A FOOKING LIABILITY FFS CAN EVERYONE WHO MENTIONS THIS GUY PLEASE STOP LIVING IN THE PAST ?

WE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD NOT BACKWARDS !!

 

Can you fook off about everyone fooking off about Pearson 

 

people talk about Pearson being the past but the impact of his reign was benefitting the club as recently as last season. Now his work is being dismantled, it will naturally be discussed.

[The Doctor]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Roberto Mancini, Bielsa, De Boer, Hiddink, David Wagner, Rafa Benitez

 

No guarantees they'd come, no guarantees they would be a huge success but the term no alternatives is rubbish. There's also many more managers I've not listed either in or out of work. Were there no alternatives when we had to get rid of Pearson?

Bielsa would be suicide-  have you seen how unfit the players look? Huth, Morgan and Fuchs must have aged a decade in the course of a summer.

[Blue Ed]

Good move by the club this week. Big games against Swansea and Hull coming up. I don't think the owners are going to get rid of him this season so time for us, players and everyone to get behind the survival fight. Lets get behind them....win loose or draw, lets go down fighting!!!!

[Jakemoore]

Did anyone else notice that CR was laughing and joking around in the press conference yesterday? 

 

Whilst this may be a coincidence, I do wonder if the club had a joint meeting and discussed some issues which have hopefully been resolved. 

 

I guess tonight will tell. 

 

I'm hoping we see unity, spirit, fight and obviously good play. I can't remember seeing us play well

[Ric Flair]

24 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Bielsa would be suicide-  have you seen how unfit the players look? Huth, Morgan and Fuchs must have aged a decade in the course of a summer.

I think he'd make enough of an impact short term to get us over the line, then in the summer it would be a massive massive shock to them all. What's needed IMO.

[Benji]

18 hours ago, gw_leics772 said:

Honestly i really reckon they really cant which is really unfair really.

 

Really soz mate.