Ranieri gets stay of execution till end of season after talks

[crazyleicester]

Our owners are brilliant for so many reasons but a few reasons include the loyalty and honour that they have.

 

They havent done what some shoddy owners have done at places like Cardiff, Blackburn and Leeds and have tried to do things correctly from the get go. OK some of what they have done is naive, especially the BMWs and the bumper contracts as it has made some players soft. Thats not there fault though because they dont come from a country that is loaded with these soppy sports stars who earn a fortune and if they dont like things that either down tools and cant be assed as they know they will still get paid. Im sure where they come from any reward is not only appreciated but people would respect what they did and try even harder for them. Im sure he is looking down at the likes of Vardy who cant even be bothered to run, a bloke who has about 5 kids to look after and expects him to work for his family but looks down as he jobs around the pitch and then starts punching the ground or more hilariously his face, a habit he has done for a while mind but still an act of someone who is an apple short of a fruit basket.

 

Lets hope Claudio is brave in his team selection and drops some of the old guard. I reckon Amartey, Benny, Gray and Chilwell should play as they havent got that hang over from last season. Maybe a mix of the old guard and a freshening up of the aforementioned may be what Claudio has up his sleeve, something he basically intimated in his last press conference. I just hope this top bloke and Premiership winning class act finds the formula to shut people up in here and the media.

[ZeGuy]

2 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

There's enough examples of clubs trying to establish their own "philosophy" in which the manager is only a part in the grand scheme of things and has to adhere to a certain strategy.

Not so uncommon for managers not being involved in transfers at all or only very little.

 

I'm not saying Ranieri has had no input in transfers at all so far, but merely that he's seen his power more and more restricted.

True but then you'd choose a manager who'd fit the club's philosophy. Unless they're complete tools because it would be totally counter productive to have a manager who looks right and a recruitment staff who looks left.

 

I personally have a hard time to believe that a manager of Ranieri's caliber in a relatively modest club like Leicester doesn't have his word to say. Especially after winning the League. He must be like god there.

[jayfox26]

7 hours ago, ZeGuy said:

I find it's quite a narrow view of the situation. Id like to put some more perspective in it:

 

15 games in a row without a win (in the League)

0 win away since April 2016

0 goals for 10 hours.

Trashings from Liverpool, Chelsea (twice), ManU, Southampton.

 

Overjoyed with the Champions League form, because we won against Brugge or Copenhagen? We'll see about that after Sevilla.

 

Hernandez was brought in and released within 6 months. In two years only two CB have been signed. Both of them never made it either to the first team or even to the bench,

 

We overloaded ourselves with (poor quality) wingers and failed to sign any CAM.

 

Mendy is fit again for months, yet never made it to the first team.

 

The only real satisfaction is Ndidi.

 

Talk again about knee jerk reaction.

All spot on and another key thing for me is that when the board backed Pearson when things weren't going well, we were playing very well and were just unlucky it a lot of the games. Throughout the whole bad run under Pearson we always looked like we would turn it round and start winning. Unfortunately that can't be said this season. I said after Burnley that I don't think we will win another game and I'm sticking with that. When you can't score and you can't defend you can't win. Football really is that simple 

[Donut]

22 hours ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

The Times just published the story saying he had late night talks with Top and will NOT be sacked this season.

 

The owners will take dim view of any approach by players to them to unseat the manager. Players thought to be at fault by owners not the manager.

 

Issues are deterioration of relationships between Ranieri and some players and between some players, with particular reservations over training and perceived lack of days off. Some think it's too intense. Last season, coaching and Sports Science guys told him to lessen it but this season, he has 'trusted his own judgement'. Complaints too he is not enough of a disciplinarian on issues away from football. 

 

Dressing room friction over wages, quality and form between some of those from last season and those who arrived in the summer (?).

 

He will make changes with Huth most at risk. However that will be for Millwall game with Fuchs, Huth and Morgan likely to be 'dropped'. Ranieri wants to assess form of Chilwell and Amartey... 

 

Sorry it's a firewall, so can't paste or do direct link. But if you have subscription:

http://thetimes.co.uk/article/993419d6-f230-11e6-a45f-cc1b99ad256c

Im not sure i can take this collective bunch of arsewipes that masquerade as players seriously anymore.

 

Firstly do you think anyone has any sympathy that youre asked to train and be professional? Fvcks sake you play football you idiots. Youre paid an absurd amount to what, show up for a warmdown session? Watch a tactics video on a day where youd be playing fifa? Hardly the breadline is it.

 

And yet their supposed beef is that Ranieri isnt enough of a disciplinarian. Oooh he shouts at me to do more training than i want to do, but when im drinking during the week he doesnt shout at us enough. Make your mind up you tarts. You didnt seem to have much of a problem on your copenhagen jollyup and your warm weather training last season.

 

Players dont earn the same amount of money. Riiiiiight. So zlatan ibrahimovic is on the same salary as ashley young i suppose? I might earn more or less than people in various roles across my company. Do i sit there in a mardy all day? 

 

Do you seriously think the man who won the league would take the formula that did it, and take one of the games most respected sports science teams and sod all their advice off in favour of gut reactions? 

 

The owners have got it right. Of course claudio has made mistakes but unless the players stinking attitudes change no change of manager will do anything.

 

Im sick to the back teeth of this ridiculous circus.

 

 

[Foxxed]

9 hours ago, Bob Hazels shorts said:

I don't know how many of our struggling signings since he went were in place, if any and hopefully they will all make it.

 

The guy obviously had far more clout than just signing players for Fergie to praise him

 

 

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I'm not bitter about Walsh leaving, since the amount of time he spent here, and the impact he made, but couldn't we have made him scout his replacement before he left? I wonder how much of an influence he is having at Everton. I'm tempted to put a bet on an Everton league title at some point.

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

All spot on and another key thing for me is that when the board backed Pearson when things weren't going well, we were playing very well and were just unlucky it a lot of the games. Throughout the whole bad run under Pearson we always looked like we would turn it round and start winning. Unfortunately that can't be said this season. I said after Burnley that I don't think we will win another game and I'm sticking with that. When you can't score and you can't defend you can't win. Football really is that simple 

Funny some people think they were unlucky under NP, I thought we were shite!  From a Championship winning side who came up playing attacking football, after 2 or 3 games, NP thought he could play defensivley and tactically,  the bloke caused his own problems. 

 

Things only really changed when Cambiasso came, we went three at the back and gung ho!  Do we really think that was all NPs idea, the man was falling apart in front of our eyes. We all see it different. 

[Babylon]

40 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Funny some people think they were unlucky under NP, I thought we were shite!  From a Championship winning side who came up playing attacking football, after 2 or 3 games, NP thought he could play defensivley and tactically,  the bloke caused his own problems. 

 

Things only really changed when Cambiasso came, we went three at the back and gung ho!  Do we really think that was all NPs idea, the man was falling apart in front of our eyes. We all see it different. 

We were shite during the run of games he attempted a diamond and yes he created his own issues.

 

But all the pundits and other managers said they couldn't believe we were bottom for a reason. We could play good football and were always in games. Usually equaling the other team other than a few brain farts from players that cost us.

 

Yes losing is shite and by the time you've lost as often as we did it's pretty miserable. But up until the Hull game I was confident we'd get out of it purely because we always looked so close to being a good team. There was just something missing. That something turned out to be Huth and going three at the back.

 

That feeling hasn't been there all season, we've been a far worse team... yet we've spent a small fortune and should have better players.

[inckley fox]

It's looking like a straight choice between doing the right thing by the fairy tale or the right thing by the club. Obviously you'd have Carragher telling us we'd shattered the legend if Ranieri were fired, but equally you've got no chance of survival if the dressing room is split, with the most talented faction firmly against the manager. I don't know to what extent this is true, and I certainly don't know whether it's the heroic set of players or the heroic manager who are the root of the trouble, but there are a lot of credible sources suggesting problems and very little in the way of a convincing denial.

 

I'd be stunned if a board seriously took the view, as it's reported they have, that the players are to blame and, as a result, the manager stays. Who exactly is he meant to be managing then? It's an impractical situation, almost like a point of principle, and it's far less likely to work than simply changing the manager. The alternative is either to change the very nature of footballers, or to get out of football all together.

 

If we do keep him, however, I hope we've given him the support to put out a team that he feels will be willing to play for him, even if it's a controversial and not-especially-glamorous one. It's clear that, either because of a conscious lack of effort or a loss of belief, most of the established line-up can't do the job. If others have a point to prove, and will respect the manager's authority, then our best chance is to give that set of players time to forge an understanding. Unless they really are totally hopeless, in which case we'll still have lost nothing.

 

It's a long shot of course. The easier option is obviously for whatever it is which is at the heart of the chaos right now (and it looks for all the world like it's Ranieri, whether he deserves to find himself in that position or not) to be removed. 

[Ric Flair]

4 hours ago, Babylon said:

We were shite during the run of games he attempted a diamond and yes he created his own issues.

 

But all the pundits and other managers said they couldn't believe we were bottom for a reason. We could play good football and were always in games. Usually equaling the other team other than a few brain farts from players that cost us.

 

Yes losing is shite and by the time you've lost as often as we did it's pretty miserable. But up until the Hull game I was confident we'd get out of it purely because we always looked so close to being a good team. There was just something missing. That something turned out to be Huth and going three at the back.

 

That feeling hasn't been there all season, we've been a far worse team... yet we've spent a small fortune and should have better players.

I think there was a feeling we weren't shite but there were also lots of games where we were horrifying. It was mainly the home games in January to March where we couldn't buy a goal. I'd put that down to pressure and lack of confidence as away from home during that time we seemed a little more free and did play some decent stuff. 

 

Either way it didn't have the feeling of being upside down with piss in your eyes like it does right now.

[st albans fox]

I think some of you need to go back to Nov/Dec/jan/feb of the 14/15 season and have a look at some of those games - funnily enough the home ones stank more than the away. 

West Brom, stoke and palace to name three straight away - dire! And then hull at home when we were desperate for a win. 

 

Rose tinted specs methinks 

[Ric Flair]

Just now, st albans fox said:

I think some of you need to go back to Nov/Dec/jan/feb of the 14/15 season and have a look at some of those games - funnily enough the home ones stank more than the away. 

West Brom, stoke and palace to name three straight away - dire! And then hull at home when we were desperate for a win. 

 

Rose tinted specs methinks 

Yeah I said that above, however the away performances seemed much more encouraging and there were some goals and unlucky results. Couple that with the fact we didn't concede many at home and often away, I can see where the notion came from that we weren't as bad as our league position. However we are every bit as bad as our position right now and it's getting worse.

[SpacedX]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think some of you need to go back to Nov/Dec/jan/feb of the 14/15 season and have a look at some of those games - funnily enough the home ones stank more than the away. 

West Brom, stoke and palace to name three straight away - dire! And then hull at home when we were desperate for a win. 

 

Rose tinted specs methinks 

As I pointed out yesterday, Nige was highly pragmatic and very cautious, setting up to contain other teams which is why we never got hammered. Even as you say, lesser opponents such as Hull at home where we employed the flat back five. Nonetheless, throughout this, you could see the huge potential in the team which made it all the more frustrating. It was only in April when we went all out attack that our fortunes changed. Right now in the league - forget wins, it's hard to see where the next goal is coming from. 

[Babylon]

32 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think some of you need to go back to Nov/Dec/jan/feb of the 14/15 season and have a look at some of those games - funnily enough the home ones stank more than the away. 

West Brom, stoke and palace to name three straight away - dire! And then hull at home when we were desperate for a win. 

 

Rose tinted specs methinks 

Everyone is aware there were some periods of utter shitness, especially between end of Spetember and end of December. But I can list you a large amount of games either side of that where we put in a decent fist of it.

 

You mention Palace and West Brom at home but we were all over them in those games with more possession and more shots. Both teams were incredibly negative. They were absolutely nothing like the garbage we're seeing at the moment. We're not even in games like we were those.

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

Every player last season played far far beyond their ability and status. Morgan was poor the season before and I was surprised he got into the side let alone captain.

 

Drinkwater after injury the same year couldn't get back in the team and seemed to be doing a Matty James.

 

You can go through every member of the side and none had the complete pedigree of a quality footballer (possibly Kasper aside and even he was taken from Notts County obscurity)

 

Maybe obvious, but it appears they have all been allowed to drift back to their natural comfort zones.

 

We have added 8 or so risk players with no evidence they will cut it in the premiership although in time I'm hopeful for Ndidi. Breaking the bank for Keane would have been cheap and a bin there done it Midfielder with a season or two left. A sort of Joey Barton who bossed it for Burnley but without his 50 ton of baggage.

 

Going to take masses of man management skills revive this.

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Everyone is aware there were some periods of utter shitness, especially between end of Spetember and end of December. But I can list you a large amount of games either side of that where we put in a decent fist of it.

 

You mention Palace and West Brom at home but we were all over them in those games with more possession and more shots. Both teams were incredibly negative. They were absolutely nothing like the garbage we're seeing at the moment. We're not even in games like we were those.

You are right. The media were pretty much full of 'Leicester are very near to clicking' etc. And the games you mentioned....we were never really out of them, we just couldn't bloody win them!

Very very different to how we are now. This is garbage football now I'm afraid.

[ClaphamFox]

We have the luxury of our next two games not being league games, which will give the club a bit more space to assess the extent of the rot. If we continue to play as badly as we have been doing for those two games, surely the club will act?

[st albans fox]

With two of the next three league games being against pool and arsenal we will likely be in the bottom three by the time any improvement becomes apparent. We could be bottom!

 

It was similar this time in 2014 when we could see few games ahead of us where a result was likely but then the run in where we could see many opportunities so we knew it would get even worse before our chance came.  keep your nerve !!

 

somehow the players need to discover theirs again  

[Clever Fox]

12 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Almost every team has wage disparity, don't try and tell me that every player is on the wane wage at clubs it's rubbish. What was unusual was we had a very low wage cap up until the start of last season and this was picked up on in the media and repeated all the while. Of course players will want more money and the same as certain players but that's business. Anyone who thought Mahrez and Vardy didn't deserve to be our top earners given what they did last season are wankers. The next club these players go to they'll find exactly the same happen again. Maybe if they become the best player at the club they go to, they'll get paid the most. That's the goal.

i'm sorry but I think your wrong and here is the reason why. Football is a TEAM game it's not like Golf or Tennis or formula 1. It depends on cohesion and togetherness. The free market approach might work for big Clubs like Man u Chelsea etc. But not for Clubs our size. If the big Clubs drop a big star because he's not performing or acting billy big boots, They replace him with another big Star. We don't have that luxury. Not at the minute anyway. Why do you assume that the player who Taps the ball into the net  should earn more than the Defender or Goalkeeper who stops it going into the Goal. 

The simply fact is you have got to keep players together and hungry. For success you have got to keep them all pulling in the same direction. That's what we've lost, they are now watching what each other is earning and comparing it against performances. That's only natural when the Club has created the environment. now what we have is a mess. Probably the reason Mahrez is not performing this season is not because he doesn't have the talent but might have something to do with trying to justify his huge Salary.

The great Liverpool Teams of the 70s and eighties operated under the system I outlined and they didn't do too badly. they were all on a basic salary of 500 pounds plus 100 for playing on a Saturday 100 for a clean sheet 50 for scoring a goal  etc. Plus a bonus for wining trophies. This meant they were averaging 800 to 1k per week.Which was big money in those days.

Now i know times have changed but the principle is still the same and could be tweaked to allow for modern times like media, Marketing attendances etc. That's the blueprint for Clubs of our size because if you don't keep the players together you have no Team only 11 players.  And we more than anyone know that the sum of the parts can be greater than the individual.

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

i'm sorry but I think your wrong and here is the reason why. Football is a TEAM game it's not like Golf or Tennis or formula 1. It depends on cohesion and togetherness. The free market approach might work for big Clubs like Man u Chelsea etc. But not for Clubs our size. If the big Clubs drop a big star because he's not performing or acting billy big boots, They replace him with another big Star. We don't have that luxury. Not at the minute anyway. Why do you assume that the player who Taps the ball into the net  should earn more than the Defender or Goalkeeper who stops it going into the Goal. 

The simply fact is you have got to keep players together and hungry. For success you have got to keep them all pulling in the same direction. That's what we've lost, they are now watching what each other is earning and comparing it against performances. That's only natural when the Club has created the environment. now what we have is a mess. Probably the reason Mahrez is not performing this season is not because he doesn't have the talent but might have something to do with trying to justify his huge Salary.

The great Liverpool Teams of the 70s and eighties operated under the system I outlined and they didn't do too badly. they were all on a basic salary of 500 pounds plus 100 for playing on a Saturday 100 for a clean sheet 50 for scoring a goal  etc. Plus a bonus for wining trophies. This meant they were averaging 800 to 1k per week.Which was big money in those days.

Now i know times have changed but the principle is still the same and could be tweaked to allow for modern times like media, Marketing attendances etc. That's the blueprint for Clubs of our size because if you don't keep the players together you have no Team only 11 players.  And we more than anyone know that the sum of the parts can be greater than the individual.

I'll repeat, this is happening at almost every football club. Prove to me that clubs of our size have strict wage structures. They don't. You might not agree with it or think that it causes problems which it may, but all these clubs it's happening at aren't in free fall because of it. We are and people are scrutinising everything as to why we're in the shit. Some players earning more than others is just life.

[ZeGuy]

2 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

i'm sorry but I think your wrong and here is the reason why. Football is a TEAM game it's not like Golf or Tennis or formula 1. It depends on cohesion and togetherness. The free market approach might work for big Clubs like Man u Chelsea etc. But not for Clubs our size. If the big Clubs drop a big star because he's not performing or acting billy big boots, They replace him with another big Star. We don't have that luxury. Not at the minute anyway. Why do you assume that the player who Taps the ball into the net  should earn more than the Defender or Goalkeeper who stops it going into the Goal. 

The simply fact is you have got to keep players together and hungry. For success you have got to keep them all pulling in the same direction. That's what we've lost, they are now watching what each other is earning and comparing it against performances. That's only natural when the Club has created the environment. now what we have is a mess. Probably the reason Mahrez is not performing this season is not because he doesn't have the talent but might have something to do with trying to justify his huge Salary.

The great Liverpool Teams of the 70s and eighties operated under the system I outlined and they didn't do too badly. they were all on a basic salary of 500 pounds plus 100 for playing on a Saturday 100 for a clean sheet 50 for scoring a goal  etc. Plus a bonus for wining trophies. This meant they were averaging 800 to 1k per week.Which was big money in those days.

Now i know times have changed but the principle is still the same and could be tweaked to allow for modern times like media, Marketing attendances etc. That's the blueprint for Clubs of our size because if you don't keep the players together you have no Team only 11 players.  And we more than anyone know that the sum of the parts can be greater than the individual.

Ask Ibrahimovic, Rooney, Aguero, De Bruyne, Sterling, Messi, C. Ronaldo, Bale, Jesus....

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

On ‎14‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 06:16, Col city fan said:

Right, I'm lumping on relegation.

I think we will be ok, and still trust Claudio to do the job. The players need a giant kick up the backside, and should start earning their money though.

 

It's gonna be a nerve racking end to the season, Col.

[Clever Fox]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I'll repeat, this is happening at almost every football club. Prove to me that clubs of our size have strict wage structures. They don't. You might not agree with it or think that it causes problems which it may, but all these clubs it's happening at aren't in free fall because of it. We are and people are scrutinising everything as to why we're in the shit. Some players earning more than others is just life.

I agree it doesn't happen as much these days but that's why so many Clubs got themselves into trouble and are now mainly owned by business people. It doesn't mean it's right for the game overall.

Is it any wonder the Government has lost faith with the FA ability to manage Football in this Country.

[Foxhateram]

On 14/02/2017 at 14:24, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Apparently he isn't going btw.

 

Whilst if proven to be true re: sports science department, that would be insane on the managers part,

but you do realise that the whispers of discontent are based on rumours.

 

There was a difference in this team from the previous season in the first game at Hull. Had he fallen out with Shakey and ditched the physios in the summer? 

No but he had sent us on a jolly of a tournament through the summer and not prepared us adequately for the season ahead. Not sure who's at faukt for this though? 

 

Of course it's all hearsay, but equally there is no smoke without fire. Something is up. 

[murphy]

Whilst I am disgusted with the players this year, it does seem that Claudio's gone rogue if it is true that he is ignoring the sports science team and coaching staff and falling out with players.  Very sad.  

 

It is well reported that CR did very little to change the excellent set up that he inherited when he arrived.  Why change it now?  

 

Our best hope is to let Shakey take the run in.

[Guy]

On ‎2‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 06:33, Col city fan said:

Though you are right, it just doesn't work like that.

The one ultimately responsible and expendable is always the manager. Thus it has always been.

The owners have not been sufficiently vigilant to the breakdown in relations between manager and players and it's gonna cost us. Big time I guess.

If the report is true then the owners' judgement at this precise moment is surely still very much clouded by emotion on the back of last season's miracle alone. For such supposedly acute businessmen they seem to be showing a complete leaning towards sentimentality and loyalty towards management and a disregard for the longevity of this club IMO. Indeed it would be no shock if they packed up and walked away come the dawn of next season if we find ourselves ready to kick off the new season against opponents like Bristol City, Brentford and Sheffield United. Then where would we be?? :-\ Talk about stepping back 8 years in one calendar year if that is going to be the dreaded overall outcome!