Ranieri gets stay of execution till end of season after talks

[Guest bennytwohats]

They've set their stall out, time to get behind the team. Only people showing less fight than the team right now are the fans. We aren't even in the relegation zone yet. I know we are in freefall, but let's not make out that we aren't in with a chance - we are.

 

Lots of you are saying you don't know how he can turn it around, while at the same time saying all he needs to do is drop the underperformers like Huth, Drinkwater, Fuchs etc. He takes all the blame for taking so long to do it but he has just said that's what he will do.

 

Keep the faith? Bunch of doom merchants you lot

[Fox92]

11 minutes ago, koop. said:

Nothing can tarnish the achievements of last season, not even relegation. 

Who do you think we are, Man UTD?

We had no right to win the league last season, things like that don't happen to clubs like us. 

Get off your high horse, we are not a 'BIG CLUB' yet. Ranieri is an absolute legend, anyone who thinks he's been bad for us is clueless. 

Obviously i am as unhappy with results this year as the next fan, but stop trying to suggest he has ruined us - he has taken us to another unprecedented level

No he hasn't.

 

Taking us to "another level" would be achieving constant success. 

 

O'Neill took us to another level because he made us one of the top 10 best teams in the Country. And he achieved this season after season.

 

Winning the league then being in a relegation battle (never mind actually getting relegated) is an absolute embarrassment. We were never going to be anywhere near the top 6 again but we should have been safe around 12th position. There are teams such as West Brom and Stoke in the top ten ffs.

 

 

[fleshdaddy]

7 minutes ago, koop. said:

Nothing can tarnish the achievements of last season, not even relegation. 

Who do you think we are, Man UTD?

We had no right to win the league last season, things like that don't happen to clubs like us. 

Get off your high horse, we are not a 'BIG CLUB' yet. Ranieri is an absolute legend, anyone who thinks he's been bad for us is clueless. 

Obviously i am as unhappy with results this year as the next fan, but stop trying to suggest he has ruined us - he has taken us to another unprecedented level

For me, it would tarnish last season's achievements. How can it not? Right now we're the little team that won the Premier League, if we get relegated we'll be the little team that won the league, then got relegated the next season and (quite possibly) faded back into obscurity. Winning the league should've given us the ideal platform to build upon to become a staple of the Premier League. It still could do, but as of right now, and especially so if we get relegated, we'll have fvkced it right up.

I don't think the majority of fans who'd like to see Ranieri leave think he's been 'bad' for us. We know what he and the players achieved last season was miraculous and he will always be a legend, it's just time for him to go, I'm afraid. If he stays I firmly believe we'll be relegated. It's clear he's lost the dressing room. This reflects awfully on the players yes, am I happy about it? No, of course not - but we cannot just blindly ignore what is right in front of us.

You say we aren't a big club 'yet', of course we aren't and we won't be if we can't sustain our status in the Premier League this year. What good will it do us to get relegated? 

[ealingfox]

The sad thing is I wouldn't have been bothered about us putting up the worst PL title defence. We are the smallest and most ill-equipped club to win it, that we would struggle more than anyone else who's won it to defend it is pretty logical. A very mediocre campaign in which we were bottom half the whole distance and finished 11th-16th say,  having made an honest effort throughout,  would have been acceptable to me given we exceeded expectations in the CL.

 

It's that the title has torn the whole club apart and we are going down in disgrace as an utter shambles across the board that is so galling.

[thursday_next]

10 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

From the article:

 

"In addition there is friction in the dressing room over wages, quality and form between the players who won the title and those that were signed in the summer"

 

I don't think this is about Vardy, Mahrez or Drinkwater, imo. The players that were with us last season know what Vardy and Mahrez are worth, and they don't grudge them a penny. They'd have been happy to see the squad get bolstered with players of true international class, only that hasn't happened. They've lost all their faith in Ranieri (and, by extension, Rudkin as well) by the dross that's been brought in. As it is, Vardy can't play with Slimani, he can't play with Musa, Drinkwater can't play with Mendy, can't play with Amartey, can play with King to a limited effect, only not enough to mend the shambles which is taking place all over the rest of the pitch. Mahrez gets double teamed every time he gets the ball, he looks up for an option, option isn't there, he does a few stepovers then inevitably loses the ball.

 

All these players want glory. They believe in their right to have that. Posters on Foxestalk are presumably quite right to say 'A pit pony would have had to have worked 5,000 years to earn what Vardy earns in a quarter of a second', but that's missing the point entirely. These players are entertainers, and they want to entertain. If Vardy doesn't get chances, he misses the chance to entertain, and not surprisingly his head drops. I don't believe that Vardy, Mahrez and Drinkwater have suddenly become bad players overnight, no matter what some posters would have you believe.

 

All this is down to Ranieri. I'm well aware that there are millions of other reasons as well, you just pick a reason that goes with your particular personal prejudices, and good luck to you with that. For what it's worth, I don't believe we'll be relegated, but it will be a close thing.

 

 

[Danizen]

As much as I love Claudio, we need a change. I feel sorry for him because it seems he is the only one who hasn't been changed by last season's success. 

 

What we need is an authoritarian figure to whip this dressing room full of billy big-bollocks into shape. Someone with a track record of avoiding relegation. Someone who has a history of sorting out overpaid, lazy players and either shipping them out or getting them to the required standard. 

 

Ideally someone who's out of work who can come in straight away. It would be a massive bonus if he knew the club and even better if he knew this group of players.

 

With the player's concerns about fitness/sports science, we could do with someone who excels at this side of management. 

 

Anyone got any ideas?

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

 

Despite Sven being a bit of a bozo he did make an impact and influence changes around and to the infrastructure of the club. 

Pearson built a fantastic foundation from the academy facilities to every aspect and at every level.

Any changes now all seem to the detriment of the team

 

 

[evil jack]

14 minutes ago, thursday_next said:

 

I don't think this is about Vardy, Mahrez or Drinkwater, imo. The players that were with us last season know what Vardy and Mahrez are worth, and they don't grudge them a penny. They'd have been happy to see the squad get bolstered with players of true international class, only that hasn't happened. They've lost all their faith in Ranieri (and, by extension, Rudkin as well) by the dross that's been brought in. As it is, Vardy can't play with Slimani, he can't play with Musa, Drinkwater can't play with Mendy, can't play with Amartey, can play with King to a limited effect, only not enough to mend the shambles which is taking place all over the rest of the pitch. Mahrez gets double teamed every time he gets the ball, he looks up for an option, option isn't there, he does a few stepovers then inevitably loses the ball.

 

All these players want glory. They believe in their right to have that. Posters on Foxestalk are presumably quite right to say 'A pit pony would have had to have worked 5,000 years to earn what Vardy earns in a quarter of a second', but that's missing the point entirely. These players are entertainers, and they want to entertain. If Vardy doesn't get chances, he misses the chance to entertain, and not surprisingly his head drops. I don't believe that Vardy, Mahrez and Drinkwater have suddenly become bad players overnight, no matter what some posters would have you believe.

 

All this is down to Ranieri. I'm well aware that there are millions of other reasons as well, you just pick a reason that goes with your particular personal prejudices, and good luck to you with that. For what it's worth, I don't believe we'll be relegated, but it will be a close thing.

 

 

I think this is very plausible actually.

But i remain convinced that 99% of what these newspaper articles are reporting is pure fabrication.

[Jazzy_Jeff]

They're not going to sack him. They didn't sack NP when we were adrift at the foot of the table so they won't sack CR when he's won us the league and its still mathematically possible to stay up.

 

Best thing we can hope for is that CR drops the underperfomers and gives the players who deserve to play the chance to keep us up.

 

We all need to get behind the team and CR and be the 12th man like we were last season when times were good.

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

They're not going to sack him. They didn't sack NP when we were adrift at the foot of the table so they won't sack CR when he's won us the league and its still mathematically possible to stay up.

 

Best thing we can hope for is that CR drops the underperfomers and gives the players who deserve to play the chance to keep us up.

 

We all need to get behind the team and CR and be the 12th man like we were last season when times were good.

Agree; we need to play those who are confident and inform - I think he also needs to consider if some of his operation changes (training, letting the psychologist go etc) have helped.   Its always go to revisit decisions (so mrs foxinsock tells me)

[Ian S]

It's all just words.Lose at Millwall,get hammered in Seville and lose to Liverpool and he will be gone.Even Harry Houdini would not survive that on the back of the dross so far this season.

[RowlattsFox]

It will be very different when the fans turn on him and the players at a home game, its going to happen at some point. I'm guessing a home defeat to Hull would be the final straw for a lot of fans.

[Blue ROI]

The timing of a sacking wouldn't be ideal either. I'm not at all pleased with how it's going lately but the one silver lining is being spared a Leicester Valentine's Day Massacre tabloid frenzy.

[cheshamfox17]

1 hour ago, wardyfox86 said:

So he stays til the end of the season and takes us down, and is then sacked. 

 

Or he, miraculously, keeps us up and oversees the worst title defence in premier league history. Either way he has tarnished the achievements of last season.

 

Since I can't see the latter happening, surely keeping him is mindless.  I'd be gutted if he stayed to manage us in the championship. 

Oh come on, if we got relegated would it really ruin the fact we won the league? The league is something I will always remember, getting relegated has happened before and will happen again i'm sure of it

[Tielemans63]

3 minutes ago, cheshamfox17 said:

Oh come on, if we got relegated would it really ruin the fact we won the league? The league is something I will always remember, getting relegated has happened before and will happen again i'm sure of it

It wouldn't ruin it but it would certainly tarnish it to put it mildly. Think about it, in a few years time, whenever you mention you were there when we won the league, whoever you're talking to is going to say 'yeah, and then they got relegated the next season'. For me personally, getting relegated the next season massively detracts from the mystique of winning the title because the two things will always go together. What bothers me is that if we get relegated then that incredible achievement will be viewed as some sort of joke by the vast majority.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

5 hours ago, foxhateram said:

So a lot of our players have young children in the family. Some of which are really little. So Claudio ups training days and therefore the dad's time with the family. I can completely understand the revolt. 

 

The sports science team recommend less training and he ignores them!? What the hell? That would probably explain why they looked half inched on the pitch. Overworked during the week so have nothing left for a game. 

 

Not listening to your staff and carrying on against their wishes is a sure fire way to unrest the camp. I have all due respect for him for last year, but what got us into a position to even contemplate that achievement was the incredible building of this club from the bottom. The sports scientists have worked with these players for 5 or 6 years now, surely they know them better than anyone. He has lost it! He has to go. 

Apparently he isn't going btw.

 

Whilst if proven to be true re: sports science department, that would be insane on the managers part,

but you do realise that the whispers of discontent are based on rumours.

 

There was a difference in this team from the previous season in the first game at Hull. Had he fallen out with Shakey and ditched the physios in the summer? 

[ClaphamFox]

20 minutes ago, Ian S said:

It's all just words.Lose at Millwall,get hammered in Seville and lose to Liverpool and he will be gone.Even Harry Houdini would not survive that on the back of the dross so far this season.

Agreed. I'd be amazed if the owners aren't already quietly making enquiries about potential replacements if we don't improve soon. 

[Struwwelpeter60]

2 hours ago, Gerard said:

Ranieri sacks the sports psychologist

How did he do it?

He, as manager, can neither hire, nor fire anybody.

That is the job of our DoF, Jon Rudkin.

 

 

2 hours ago, Gerard said:

ignores the advice of the sports science team on training to trust his own judgement

Says who?

Let us assume, it is true. The logical question to ask would be: why?

Could it be, that it has something to do with our lack of success?

What, if he did follow their advice during all those months, while nothing

got better, but a lot got worse and he therefore now has decided to

do it his own way? 

Why would he change a successful system? Why!!!

Perhaps, it is the other way around and he listened too

long to the sports science guys and CS?

Nobody in this forum knows the truth. That is the only

thing I am still sure about.

[AlphaMaleFox]

41 minutes ago, Danizen said:

As much as I love Claudio, we need a change. I feel sorry for him because it seems he is the only one who hasn't been changed by last season's success. 

 

What we need is an authoritariaN figure to whIp this dressing room full of billy biG-bollocks into shape. Someone with a track record of avoiding relegation. SomeonE who has a history of sorting out overpaid, Lazy players and either shipPing them out or getting them to the required standard. 

 

Ideally someonE who's out of work who can come in straight away. It would be a mAssive bonus if he knew the club and even better if he knew this group of players.

 

With the player's concerns about fitness/spoRts science, we could do with Someone who excels at this side Of managemeNt. 

 

Anyone got any ideas?

 

^^^ Obvious choice, but it will never happen.

[Thracian]

1 hour ago, ealingfox said:

The sad thing is I wouldn't have been bothered about us putting up the worst PL title defence. We are the smallest and most ill-equipped club to win it, that we would struggle more than anyone else who's won it to defend it is pretty logical. A very mediocre campaign in which we were bottom half the whole distance and finished 11th-16th say,  having made an honest effort throughout,  would have been acceptable to me given we exceeded expectations in the CL.

 

It's that the title has torn the whole club apart and we are going down in disgrace as an utter shambles across the board that is so galling.

I don't accept that. We had everything we needed to kick on. A successful team, money, a Europe-experienced manager, a position from which to recruit easily and fabulous facilities.    

 

I didn't imagine us  retaining the title but I did see us establishing ourselves as a genuine challenger in the Premiership and English cup competitions plus a respectable newcomer in Europe.

 

Truth is our recruitment has been disappointing and ill-considered in the main.

 

That doesn't mean I'm saying all our recruits are hopeless. We may get far better value from a few of them when and if they settle down.

 

But our pressing need was not for guys who might be okay in a year or two. There were immediate weaknesses that needed attending to and different contributors on here referred them time and again - and way back.         

 

Through two transfer windows we waited for what we thought were the new plugs to fill certain gaps. But none arrived. .   

   

[Struwwelpeter60]

1 minute ago, AlphaMaleFox said:

What we need is an authoritariaN figure to whIp this dressing room full of billy biG-bollocks into shape.

Who signed the vast majority of these big-bollocks

in the first place?

Guess who? It was not Ranieri.

It was...

Right! Your hero, who needed almost 8 months in

the Great Escape season to get it right, although

he had, with the exception of Schmeichel, only

players in his team ,which he had brought to the

club.

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

No he hasn't.

 

Taking us to "another level" would be achieving constant success. 

 

O'Neill took us to another level because he made us one of the top 10 best teams in the Country. And he achieved this season after season.

 

Winning the league then being in a relegation battle (never mind actually getting relegated) is an absolute embarrassment. We were never going to be anywhere near the top 6 again but we should have been safe around 12th position. There are teams such as West Brom and Stoke in the top ten ffs.

 

 

 

You can't take away what Claudio managed, even if he is ballsing it up royally this season, winning the league was most certainly a different level and he doesn't need to repeat it, it's the best season we've ever had, i.e another level, hovering in mid table or higher is something we have done several times before.

 

Would be nice if he didn't totally regress and get us relegated which he seems to be in the middle of doing I admit but we were there, no matter how brief. 

 

 

[Shaggy]

1 hour ago, Danizen said:

As much as I love Claudio, we need a change. I feel sorry for him because it seems he is the only one who hasn't been changed by last season's success. 

 

What we need is an authoritarian figure to whip this dressing room full of billy big-bollocks into shape. Someone with a track record of avoiding relegation. Someone who has a history of sorting out overpaid, lazy players and either shipping them out or getting them to the required standard. 

 

Ideally someone who's out of work who can come in straight away. It would be a massive bonus if he knew the club and even better if he knew this group of players.

 

With the player's concerns about fitness/sports science, we could do with someone who excels at this side of management. 

 

Anyone got any ideas?

Yeah Jock Wallace !

[Struwwelpeter60]

7 minutes ago, Thracian said:

But none arrived. .  

The big question is: why?

Why didn't we make a second, improved offer for

Ramirez?

Why didn't we offer more than 10m for Acerbi?

Who is responsible for those decisions?

 

Ranieri said in several PCs, that he is not in charge

of recruitment. Would he say that, if it weren't true?

Knowing, that Rudkin is listening very carefully,

what he is saying in public?

[wardyfox86]

2 hours ago, koop. said:

Nothing can tarnish the achievements of last season, not even relegation. 

Who do you think we are, Man UTD?

We had no right to win the league last season, things like that don't happen to clubs like us. 

Get off your high horse, we are not a 'BIG CLUB' yet. Ranieri is an absolute legend, anyone who thinks he's been bad for us is clueless. 

Obviously i am as unhappy with results this year as the next fan, but stop trying to suggest he has ruined us - he has taken us to another unprecedented level

The more this continues, the more it looks like he just rode along on the momentum and foundations set in the 4 years previous. Foundations which by the sounds of this article, have been stripped away.

 

I know we had no right to win the league at all, im not saying we did, but the players last season showed they are capable of turning over any side on their day. Sides have improved since then, granted. But performances even close to that of last season would have seen us top half. 

 

When I say tarnish, I mean his achievements personally, as people like me will always believe, wrongly or rightly, that momentum and infrastructure played its part last season. Yes he will always be the man that steered us and kept us level headed, and I agree should be regarded as a legend for being the man at the helm. But the gloss is coming off his own success with every game.