goose2010 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 7 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: I find it's quite a narrow view of the situation. Id like to put some more perspective in it: 15 games in a row without a win (in the League) 0 win away since April 2016 0 goals for 10 hours. Trashings from Liverpool, Chelsea (twice), ManU, Southampton. Overjoyed with the Champions League form, because we won against Brugge or Copenhagen? We'll see about that after Sevilla. Hernandez was brought in and released within 6 months. In two years only two CB have been signed. Both of them never made it either to the first team or even to the bench, We overloaded ourselves with (poor quality) wingers and failed to sign any CAM. Mendy is fit again for months, yet never made it to the first team. The only real satisfaction is Ndidi. Talk again about knee jerk reaction. I find it's quite a narrow view of the situation. Id like to put some more perspective in it: 15 games in a row without a win (in the League) - West Ham ? 0 win away since April 2016 - League Yes Champs League no 0 goals for 10 hours. - 5 Games like i said Trashings from Liverpool, Chelsea (twice), ManU, Southampton. - Come on Chelsea have white washed basically everyone this season, Liverpool were flying when we played them and yes Southampton was poor. Overjoyed with the Champions League form, because we won against Brugge or Copenhagen? We'll see about that after Sevilla. Winning the group cant do no better than that? Hernandez was brought in and released within 6 months. In two years only two CB have been signed. Both of them never made it either to the first team or even to the bench, ??? We overloaded ourselves with (poor quality) wingers and failed to sign any CAM. - Poor quality wingers? who?? Mendy is fit again for months, yet never made it to the first team.Been fit since what about Mid December? When we beat Everton and West Ham - N'didi is better thats why he isnt playing The only real satisfaction is Ndidi. - one of the little few yes - i agree Talk again about knee jerk reaction. - Yes total Knee Jerk reaction if we sacked him
Apollo Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 15 minutes ago, goose2010 said: I find it's quite a narrow view of the situation. Id like to put some more perspective in it: 15 games in a row without a win (in the League) - West Ham ? 0 win away since April 2016 - League Yes Champs League no 0 goals for 10 hours. - 5 Games like i said Trashings from Liverpool, Chelsea (twice), ManU, Southampton. - Come on Chelsea have white washed basically everyone this season, Liverpool were flying when we played them and yes Southampton was poor. Overjoyed with the Champions League form, because we won against Brugge or Copenhagen? We'll see about that after Sevilla. Winning the group cant do no better than that? Hernandez was brought in and released within 6 months. In two years only two CB have been signed. Both of them never made it either to the first team or even to the bench, ??? We overloaded ourselves with (poor quality) wingers and failed to sign any CAM. - Poor quality wingers? who?? Mendy is fit again for months, yet never made it to the first team.Been fit since what about Mid December? When we beat Everton and West Ham - N'didi is better thats why he isnt playing The only real satisfaction is Ndidi. - one of the little few yes - i agree Talk again about knee jerk reaction. - Yes total Knee Jerk reaction if we sacked him It wouldn't be knee jerk. The club is in free fall and it isn't improving. This season has been horrific - I genuinely can't remember us looking this bad in terms of performances. Early on the season I was telling myself after every game "it can't get worse than that", and every week it did. Players are so devoid of confidence and genuine 100% effort, the manager looks the loneliest man in the world on the touchline. I just can't bear the though of Barnsley away on a tuesday night and games of that ilk again. Love Claudio for what he did - and it isn't all his fault, it's a collective cock up from everyone, but the manager takes the bullet.
maddog Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: You want to play most of the guys that got murdered 5-0 in Porto next Wednesday? i might cancel my flight The 'first eleven' will be well motivated in this game. It's about the only fixture we have upcoming where you will actually see a concentrated performance. They will see it their shop window for when we get relegated! I don't think the Porto game is directly comparable we had already qualified, and two of that starting 11 have left the club, and Ndidi/Wague have arrived. Drinkwater and Morgan both started in Porto and they are two I would definitely bench for the Seville match. Claudio needs to be very ruthless now, the discontent among the squad is only going to increase if the players who started at Swansea are 'rewarded' with a start in the Champions League. It would be borderline ridiculous. Two of the back four should be Chilwell and Amartey at centre back. I wouldn't mind who the other two are as long as the above start. Midfield Ndidi, Mendy, Gray, Mahrez/Albrighton. Okazaki/Musa and Slimani up top. Drinkwater, Vardy, Morgan should be benched in Seville at least.
Soar Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 2 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Who signed the vast majority of these big-bollocks in the first place? Guess who? It was not Ranieri. It was... Right! Your hero, who needed almost 8 months in the Great Escape season to get it right, although he had, with the exception of Schmeichel, only players in his team ,which he had brought to the club. Good job Nigel did sign them players as Claudio would never have won the league with his players. How many appearances did Inler & Benaloune make last season? Oh & imagine wanting Veretout over Kanté
ZeGuy Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 hour ago, goose2010 said: I find it's quite a narrow view of the situation. Id like to put some more perspective in it: 15 games in a row without a win (in the League) - West Ham ? 0 win away since April 2016 - League Yes Champs League no 0 goals for 10 hours. - 5 Games like i said Trashings from Liverpool, Chelsea (twice), ManU, Southampton. - Come on Chelsea have white washed basically everyone this season, Liverpool were flying when we played them and yes Southampton was poor. Overjoyed with the Champions League form, because we won against Brugge or Copenhagen? We'll see about that after Sevilla. Winning the group cant do no better than that? Hernandez was brought in and released within 6 months. In two years only two CB have been signed. Both of them never made it either to the first team or even to the bench, ??? We overloaded ourselves with (poor quality) wingers and failed to sign any CAM. - Poor quality wingers? who?? Mendy is fit again for months, yet never made it to the first team.Been fit since what about Mid December? When we beat Everton and West Ham - N'didi is better thats why he isnt playing The only real satisfaction is Ndidi. - one of the little few yes - i agree Talk again about knee jerk reaction. - Yes total Knee Jerk reaction if we sacked him Ah yes, West ham, forgot about it. Sorry, too much used to see us lose. Not that it makes a real difference anyway. 1 Win in 15 games is appalling by any standard and worthy of relegation. Benalouane, has played once in the Cup this season. The rest of the time he doesn't even make it to the bench. Hernandez had what two-three appearances a RB (he's CB) before being sent back to Spain. In the meanwhile morgan /Huth played despite an absolutely abysmal form. His case is worth an X-File. Mendy was wanted by Ranieri. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I'm not sure he'd have done better than Amartey in the midfield, hasn't he been injured. Not that I particularly rate Amartey as DM. We'll never know. Kapy not "ready". One cameo in the Cup and that's it. Musa: one can convince me, he's a quality winger/striker/whatever. He's not cut for this league. Neither technically nor physically. Only Gray, who should have played waaaaaaaaaay sooner, is worth it. I don't want him to be sacked. I want him to get his head out of the sand and save this team from themselves if it's still possible. I doubt it personnally. - I blame him for persistently playing the likes of Morgan, Huth, Vardy and Mahrez to an extent, despite being out of form, just out of loyalty. Thus taking the risk of creating serious unrest in the dressing room. - I blame him for having let the team drifting after the hangover (winning the League), not enough warned them no one is good enough to go down. That's the job of the manager and no one will convince me otherwise. SAF, Pep any coach, pay attention that the players don't rest on their laurels and keep on working hard. Bench the troublemakers, the lazy ones if needed. He never did it. I suspect he got himself the same hangover as his players. Problem is, he's the leader. That should not happen. - I blame him for sacrifying crucial PL games for the sake of the Champions League didn't help us and served a too long time as smoke screen (I'm harsh on this one) - I blame him for not having a real objective from the very beginning of the season. Champions again? 40 points? Top ten? What exactly? He seemed to do things as they came without any real plan or clear objectives. And it shows. You need it to lead your team - I blame him for never having really solved the Kanté problem and playing a formation which wasn't working for ages, even if he wasn't helped by the injuries. He said the players didn't want to change, I call BS, he's the coach, he knows better than a bunch of spoiled brats. The players let him down and behaved like a bunch of kids. ALL of them are also responsible for the shambles. A lot of them saw themselves bigger than what they really are. But here again, it's also the job of coach to.. manage this kind of shit. I just can't the stand simplistic idea of the good manager being backstabbed by the bad guys (players). Or blind optimism.
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Knee jerk reaction to sack a manager whose team is in turmoil. Whose sacked half of the people who brought him success, upset/marginalised the others who are still there. Spent money on rubbish. Can't buy a tactic that works. Hated by his players who are confused by his ramblings. Oh yeah, and we are nose diving towards the championship in the middle of Feb! Yep, sounds knee jerk.
The Doctor Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 38 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: Ah yes, West ham, forgot about it. Sorry, too much used to see us lose. Not that it makes a real difference anyway. 1 Win in 15 games is appalling by any standard and worthy of relegation. - I blame him for not having a real objective from the very beginning of the season. Champions again? 40 points? Top ten? What exactly? He seemed to do things as they came without any real plan or clear objectives. And it shows. You need it to lead your team Man city? It's 2 wins in 11. Not much better but if you're going to criticise, base it on reality. Ditto with the objectives - Ranieri was on 40 points as the target again.
Argarath Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 9 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: Who is trying not to blame Ranners at all? he has continually admitted he has made mistakes with tactics and loyalty to certain players beyond their worth and I would definitely concur Ranieri has made mistakes without a shadow of a doubt however is anyone really that deluded to think the players aren't a tincy wincy bit to blame? god help us and flipping quick up the Foxes. Ofcourse not. If we get Mourinho as manager we will probably win the CL , Pl and League cup. The players are just "there"
Koke Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 This isn't a knee jerk reaction. We're in a total free fall. Worst team in the league. Bottom of the form table in the whole damn country. Even Coventry who are bottom of League 1 are above us in the form table. Players are a lot to blame but the buck stops with the manager. He got most of the plaudits last season so he will get most of the blame now.
MC Prussian Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 11 hours ago, NewquayFox said: Our so called 'weaker team' is that the one that started V Swansea on Sunday? Our "weaker team" on current predicament is our regular starting XI, the team that won us the league last season. The Derby County FA Cup replay showed the difference in class, professionalism and team spirit. Our reserves played better than our "heroes". Says it all. Ranieri is partly to blame, but the biggest part of the blame has to be carried by the players. To me, it's gotten to the point where they're thinking they're bigger than the club, or any other club for that matter. Also point the finger at our recruitment team and our board of directors for handing out big money contracts to players who so far have failed to live up to their price tag and are living off last year's success.
5waller5 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 12 hours ago, filbertway said: I find it odd that you have blind faith in the manager who won the title but not the players. In all seriousness, do you not consider it all possible that he's mismanaged in some ways and is causing this friction? Not only that, his insistance on playing 4 4 2 when it's clearly not working. I mean people are forgetting how bad we actually look and it's not wholly down to lack of effort. The personnell, shape and set up is an absolute joke. Hang on ..... I thought the big criticism of CR on here was his "constant tinkering with formations"!!!!???
MC Prussian Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 6 hours ago, thursday_next said: I don't think this is about Vardy, Mahrez or Drinkwater, imo. The players that were with us last season know what Vardy and Mahrez are worth, and they don't grudge them a penny. They'd have been happy to see the squad get bolstered with players of true international class, only that hasn't happened. They've lost all their faith in Ranieri (and, by extension, Rudkin as well) by the dross that's been brought in. As it is, Vardy can't play with Slimani, he can't play with Musa, Drinkwater can't play with Mendy, can't play with Amartey, can play with King to a limited effect, only not enough to mend the shambles which is taking place all over the rest of the pitch. Mahrez gets double teamed every time he gets the ball, he looks up for an option, option isn't there, he does a few stepovers then inevitably loses the ball. All these players want glory. They believe in their right to have that. Posters on Foxestalk are presumably quite right to say 'A pit pony would have had to have worked 5,000 years to earn what Vardy earns in a quarter of a second', but that's missing the point entirely. These players are entertainers, and they want to entertain. If Vardy doesn't get chances, he misses the chance to entertain, and not surprisingly his head drops. I don't believe that Vardy, Mahrez and Drinkwater have suddenly become bad players overnight, no matter what some posters would have you believe. All this is down to Ranieri. I'm well aware that there are millions of other reasons as well, you just pick a reason that goes with your particular personal prejudices, and good luck to you with that. For what it's worth, I don't believe we'll be relegated, but it will be a close thing. I have serious doubts that the majority of players brought in over the last summer and the past January transfer window were actually Ranieri choices. The Burnley post-match interview with Ranieri will always stay with me as the moment where he made it clear how much of a mess we're in. That was the point of no return.
ZeGuy Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 6 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: I have serious doubts that the majority of players brought in over the last summer and the past January transfer window were actually Ranieri choices. The Burnley post-match interview with Ranieri will always stay with me as the moment where he made it clear how much of a mess we're in. That was the point of no return. I'm kinda lost here. What's the point of buying players the coach doesn't want? Trolling him?
SecretPro Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Anyone using the phrase 'knee jerk' in relation to our current predicament needs to get in the bin.
ZeGuy Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 49 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Man city? It's 2 wins in 11. Not much better but if you're going to criticise, base it on reality. Ditto with the objectives - Ranieri was on 40 points as the target again. 5 wins until now. Is that better? Ah, he was playing for 40 points? Well we won't get them. Our only saving grace is that there is even crappier teams than ours. Saving grace that might as well stop in the second half since a couple of teams did wake up. At no moment this season I did feel any sense of urgency, be it from the players or the coach, despite of the woeful performances. As if all were completely intoxicated by their own brainfarts and the mindset "nah, too good to go down".
5waller5 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 10 hours ago, cheshamfox17 said: Take some bloody responsibility then, imagine at work if you blamed your boss for letting you slack off when you were having a performance review, ah sorry for going out clubbing until 4am gaffer but to be fair no one punished me harshly last time. These are grown up adult men where is their sense of personal responsibility I think it's more "he's going out till 4am and playing shite - and you never drop him, I'm going to bed early and doing everything right and am half in the team and half out of it"
MC Prussian Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 25 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: I'm kinda lost here. What's the point of buying players the coach doesn't want? Trolling him? There's enough examples of clubs trying to establish their own "philosophy" in which the manager is only a part in the grand scheme of things and has to adhere to a certain strategy. Not so uncommon for managers not being involved in transfers at all or only very little. I'm not saying Ranieri has had no input in transfers at all so far, but merely that he's seen his power more and more restricted.
Clever Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Having such huge disparityoif Salaries between players is a recipe for disaster for clubs like us. Players will never be happy when they see others being paid twice as much in some cases. especially when they are not delivering. It should always be an incentivised system based on success. Basic Salary for being part of the FT Squad. then selection on a Saturday. Wins, Goals scored, League position top ten top 6 and a big bonus for winning the league, The FA cup and the EPL Cup. This way players stay more united in pursuit of results as it effects their take home pay. That's the only way Clubs of our size can continue to move forward.
jim5000 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Regardless of whether the owners back the manager, what is apparent is there is a clear disconnect and lack of respect between the manager and the players, and there can only be one outcome in that scenario, the team will go down.
Raw Dykes Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 "Knee-jerk"! Come off it! I don't think it would have been a knee-jerk reaction if CR was sacked weeks ago. He's running the club into the ground. Stevie Wonder could see that. He's been promised the rest of the season at least, so unless he can suddenly get everyone onside and motivated in the next few games, then we're down. To me, at least, there's absolutely no sign that anything's going to change. Our performances are currently just awful. The rot is thoroughly set in now, and we're going to need a bigger miracle than the Great Escape two years ago to get the team playing to a standard where we might win a few games in time. You never know, as few as 4 or 5 wins might be enough, but can any of us honestly see the current team in the form it's in pulling off 1 win in 3 until the end of the season? I can only see us getting a draw if the opposition fails to score at the moment.
Ric Flair Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 31 minutes ago, Clever Fox said: Having such huge disparityoif Salaries between players is a recipe for disaster for clubs like us. Players will never be happy when they see others being paid twice as much in some cases. especially when they are not delivering. It should always be an incentivised system based on success. Basic Salary for being part of the FT Squad. then selection on a Saturday. Wins, Goals scored, League position top ten top 6 and a big bonus for winning the league, The FA cup and the EPL Cup. This way players stay more united in pursuit of results as it effects their take home pay. That's the only way Clubs of our size can continue to move forward. Almost every team has wage disparity, don't try and tell me that every player is on the wane wage at clubs it's rubbish. What was unusual was we had a very low wage cap up until the start of last season and this was picked up on in the media and repeated all the while. Of course players will want more money and the same as certain players but that's business. Anyone who thought Mahrez and Vardy didn't deserve to be our top earners given what they did last season are wankers. The next club these players go to they'll find exactly the same happen again. Maybe if they become the best player at the club they go to, they'll get paid the most. That's the goal.
Koke Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 There are huge wage disparities at every club. Monreal and Sanchez don't earn the same, and rightly so. Lukaku earns at least twice as much as Funes Mori, as he should. Likewise, Mahrez is rightly earning more than Okazaki. Football is not socialism.
HankMarvin Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 10 minutes ago, Koke said: There are huge wage disparities at every club. Monreal and Sanchez don't earn the same, and rightly so. Lukaku earns at least twice as much as Funes Mori, as he should. Likewise, Mahrez is rightly earning more than Okazaki. Football is not socialism. Not if the negotiations were based on this season
Babylon Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 hour ago, 5waller5 said: Hang on ..... I thought the big criticism of CR on here was his "constant tinkering with formations"!!!!??? No, people wanted him to change it. What they expected was perhaps a well thought out plan to fix some issues. What we got was him chucking darts at a board and hoping one stuck. 4 formations in 5 games, none given a second chance and then sacked off in favour of 442 again. Utter madness and the clearest indication that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing.
filbertway Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 2 hours ago, 5waller5 said: Hang on ..... I thought the big criticism of CR on here was his "constant tinkering with formations"!!!!??? Dno, seems to be a new popular thing that the majority of people will moan at for a week till someone decides that it should be a different thing.
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