Bablemikey Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 14 minutes ago, Thracian said: I don't accept that. We had everything we needed to kick on. A successful team, money, a Europe-experienced manager, a position from which to recruit easily and fabulous facilities. I didn't imagine us retaining the title but I did see us establishing ourselves as a genuine challenger in the Premiership and English cup competitions plus a respectable newcomer in Europe. Truth is our recruitment has been disappointing and ill-considered in the main. That doesn't mean I'm saying all our recruits are hopeless. We may get far better value from a few of them when and if they settle down. But our pressing need was not for guys who might be okay in a year or two. There were immediate weaknesses that needed attending to and different contributors on here referred them time and again - and way back. Through two transfer windows we waited for what we thought were the new plugs to fill certain gaps. But none arrived. . I agree with most of this and it's so disappointing that we have brought in only 1 new player (Ndidi) who looks to be an improvement on what we already have. And I'm deliberately using the word "have" to refer to the players as they are now, and not as they were last season! Frankly though I'm still finding really hard to comprehend how this team has fallen from Premiership champions to right now being the worst team in all 4 leagues. It just beggars belief. Even without new recruits, let alone the £80 odd million spent, I would never have foreseen such a collapse.
Tuna Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I'm as guilty as anyone for wanting Claudio sacked but the reality is we've just left it too late. What you've got to realize is that firing Claudio would be hugely expensive. Yes i know not as expensive as relegation. He signed a new contract last summer and although I'd assume there would be a break clause at the end of the season in the event of relegation. Sacking Claudio but having no plan in place for succession doesn't really solve the problem. Remember when we recruited Claudio? it was I think nearly 3 weeks from sacking nigel to the new appointment. How can we trust the current structure to recruit the right sort of manager? Then if we wanted to appoint someone already in work mid season we'd hit significant opposition. Again remember how long it took to prise Nigel away from hull. Then the players have to respond to the new managers methods. Just too little time left. These next 2 games should be seen as a dry run for the rest of the sseason. He has to axe the players who are letting the side down, it's his only option. Personally if it goes wrong and we continue in the tailspin, and the atmosphere turns toxic I think he'll walk.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 minute ago, Bablemikey said: I would never have foreseen such a collapse. The problem is, that the people in charge also didn't foresee it.
Bablemikey Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 minute ago, Tuna said: These next 2 games should be seen as a dry run for the rest of the sseason. He has to axe the players who are letting the side down, it's his only option. Definitely. Let's setup firstly not to lose, be very solid, defensive and bloody horrible to play against.
Cadno'r Cymoedd Posted 14 February 2017 Author Posted 14 February 2017 I don't buy the suggestion made by some that someone other than Ranieri got rid of the psychologist. Your manager will decide that. It's not an exorbitant expense for the world's 20th richest club. I think it was a bad error. The Way interview on another thread was telling as to who needed support. As a manager you look for anything that gives you and your players the edge. One of several mistakes made by him but that doesn't excuse the attitudes seemingly amongst some players. I remember Wes saying last season, he would knock on Claudio's door and say/ask what was needed on behalf of the squad. Has he done this year or has his own form hampered him in having a legitimate voice?
koop. Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 6 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said: The more this continues, the more it looks like he just rode along on the momentum and foundations set in the 4 years previous. Foundations which by the sounds of this article, have been stripped away. I know we had no right to win the league at all, im not saying we did, but the players last season showed they are capable of turning over any side on their day. Sides have improved since then, granted. But performances even close to that of last season would have seen us top half. When I say tarnish, I mean his achievements personally, as people like me will always believe, wrongly or rightly, that momentum and infrastructure played its part last season. Yes he will always be the man that steered us and kept us level headed, and I agree should be regarded as a legend for being the man at the helm. But the gloss is coming off his own success with every game. I certainly agree in regards to the foundations that were set. I was saying how much credit NP should have got for our title win, he grafted behind the scenes to make sure we could have a solid footing to build from. Every element clicked last season, it was a process that started when we were in League 1 and came to an amazing head last season, i agree that it would take the shine off his personal achievements to a degree but it can never tarnish what the club achieved, no matter what. However, i have to look at last season as a 'one off' season, maybe because i refuse to let anything take the shine off what an incredible season it was. You can make statistics say whatever you want but we are still a long way off from achieving sustained success as a club, therefore i look at 2015/2016 as being the ultimate season of my lifetime, whatever comes after that is completely separated from it, if that makes sense? No matter what, we can say "I was there when..."
Bablemikey Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 2 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: The problem is, that the people in charge also didn't foresee it. I don't think they can be blamed for that. It's pretty much an unprecedented situation. How they deal with it is the key.
Blue ROI Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 minute ago, wardyfox86 said: The more this continues, the more it looks like he just rode along on the momentum and foundations set in the 4 years previous. Foundations which by the sounds of this article, have been stripped away. I know we had no right to win the league at all, im not saying we did, but the players last season showed they are capable of turning over any side on their day. Sides have improved since then, granted. But performances even close to that of last season would have seen us top half. When I say tarnish, I mean his achievements personally, as people like me will always believe, wrongly or rightly, that momentum and infrastructure played its part last season. Yes he will always be the man that steered us and kept us level headed, and I agree should be regarded as a legend for being the man at the helm. But the gloss is coming off his own success with every game. This is what the outsiders that say 'ye cant sack Ranieri, he won the league, know your place Leicester' cant grasp when looking at the big picture. It looked like a fluke which whilst there was a lot of luck is not fully true. The foundations of May 2016 had been built around late 2008/09 and its not just Pearson responsible. Even if you cant bring yourself to agree with Ranieri being removed you have to be concerned at the excellence behind the scenes seemingly being marginalised. Not only are we in danger of losing Premiership status but also in danger of losing the cohesion that made us great. The Walkers Staduim was built on the back of our mid-to late 90s success but its only witnessed 4 seasons of top flight football. We waited nearly 15 years to reach back to a level we thought we could only dream about and the stakes are too high to lose it all. Last season showed the appetite for football in Leicester City if we're not careful it could be snatched away like that. Plastics were inevitable but there is still a great support there and would have been even if the club finished 10th in 2015/16. I can only hope it works out. The consequences could be unthinkable.
Cadno'r Cymoedd Posted 14 February 2017 Author Posted 14 February 2017 The owners must take a big part of the blame for where we are at too. They should have seen this or at least Whelan on their behalf. Poor club management.
goose2010 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 People saying other clubs would of sacked their managers by now, do you think they really would have? Take our form up until Christmas it wasnt the best but it definitely wasnt the worst (P27 W9 D8 L12). This year we are having a shocker but we are still in the FA cup and the champs league the form is far better than it was of the year of the great escape but the club didnt react and sack NP. IF you take our the cups comps we have lost 5 in a row. You think a club should make such a knee jerk reaction to five games and sack a manager off the back of 5 poor performances? Would you say it was justified if say Kloop got sacked? Eddie Howe or Allerdyce were sacked tomorrow? Even Pep had a bad run would you want him sacked? We have to get out of this mindset that if a club goes on a poor run you straight away sack the manager its crazy and everything that is wrong with modern football. I totally agree the club have issues with recuitement and it could of been better, the defence should of been improved but Hernandez was brought in Chilwell was and still is biting at Fuchs's heels for the left back spot and if we beleive the press (like everyone is in a megative spin) we were after the likes of Keane and a few other centre halves that didnt fancy the move (thank god their is a bit of loyalty out their somewhere!) yes hernadez didnt work out, Mendy has been unlucky with Injury and Zieler doesnt look the best but lets be honest over the past 5 years we have had a lot more good signings than bad. For every Ronaldo there is a Bebe and every De Gea there is a Tibia. We are getting hammered in the press and their are new stories daily and lets be honest they have all been waiting for it on the back of last season as last season our story sold papers worldwide and i'm pretty sure this season is about the same. for how much someone loves an under dog it doesnt take long for people to turn and say they are overrated. Like the other Thread unity is required and support is needed more this season than it was last.
Bablemikey Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 6 minutes ago, Bablemikey said: Definitely. Let's setup firstly not to lose, be very solid, defensive and bloody horrible to play against. I wanted to add that the results in the next 2 games are not important, it's about getting new players bedded in a new team ethic in place. Drill into each man that he must win every tackle/header/challenge/2nd ball. And if he does not, he should be furious with himself & make doubly sure he wins the next one. Be frightening in challenges, thunderous and unrelenting in chasing down. Take that into the Liverpool game.
maddog Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 12 minutes ago, Tuna said: These next 2 games should be seen as a dry run for the rest of the sseason. He has to axe the players who are letting the side down, it's his only option. Absolutely this. Claudio must play a team similar to the Derby home game and stick with them for the game in Seville. That game will be absolutely key for us to gain momentum for the run in. The squad players need to make an impression in Seville, certainly at least in terms of effort and never say die attitude. Pick up a draw or an admirable defeat in Seville and those players can then be played in the Liverpool game. By that point they would have had two more matches playing together, upped their match sharpness and hopefully gained confidence. Get murdered in Seville 4/5-0 and its going to be difficult for Claudio not to revert back to the undroppables. Perhaps he'll play them all in Seville knowing he's going to drop them for Liverpool, this would be folly because the other lads need game time/match practice.
deep blue Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 25 minutes ago, Tuna said: ... Sacking Claudio but having no plan in place for succession doesn't really solve the problem. Remember when we recruited Claudio? it was I think nearly 3 weeks from sacking nigel to the new appointment. How can we trust the current structure to recruit the right sort of manager? Then if we wanted to appoint someone already in work mid season we'd hit significant opposition. Again remember how long it took to prise Nigel away from hull. Then the players have to respond to the new managers methods. Just too little time left. ... That's not true. Pearson is available and would slot in immediately, given that he built the system and knows most of the staff and would immediately command the respect of the players (and has experience of great escapes). Not that I'm pushing Pearson's case. Two other examples of instantly available candidates are Rowett and Warburton; bot very interesting candidates.
goose2010 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 3 minutes ago, deep blue said: That's not true. Pearson is available and would slot in immediately, given that he built the system and knows most of the staff and would immediately command the respect of the players (and has experience of great escapes). Not that I'm pushing Pearson's case. Two other examples of instantly available candidates are Rowett and Warburton; bot very interesting candidates. Think its the right time to take on 'interesting candidates'?! and i'm glad your not pushing for Pearson as there is absolutely no way the owners would go back there. Why would they?! and why the hell would he?!
RonnieTodger Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 As much as I love Nigel, there's absolutely no way he's coming back. Bridges have been very much burnt on both sides, surely.
Koke Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 3 hours ago, Fox92 said: It's ridiculous. Our drop in league position would have seen any other manager sacked now. I cannot believe people defend it. We want to push on as a football club. I want to see us in the top flight. This, what seems to be, attitude of "oh well he can take us down" is truly stupid. Some people think certain people are bigger than LCFC. Nobody is bigger than the club. Not Ranieri. Not Lineker. The club's success comes first. If Ranieri being here is detrimental to to Leicester City Football Club then Ranieri goes. I don't care if he has won us 5 consecutive league titles.
st albans fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 20 minutes ago, maddog said: Absolutely this. Claudio must play a team similar to the Derby home game and stick with them for the game in Seville. That game will be absolutely key for us to gain momentum for the run in. The squad players need to make an impression in Seville, certainly at least in terms of effort and never say die attitude. Pick up a draw or an admirable defeat in Seville and those players can then be played in the Liverpool game. By that point they would have had two more matches playing together, upped their match sharpness and hopefully gained confidence. Get murdered in Seville 4/5-0 and its going to be difficult for Claudio not to revert back to the undroppables. Perhaps he'll play them all in Seville knowing he's going to drop them for Liverpool, this would be folly because the other lads need game time/match practice. You want to play most of the guys that got murdered 5-0 in Porto next Wednesday? i might cancel my flight The 'first eleven' will be well motivated in this game. It's about the only fixture we have upcoming where you will actually see a concentrated performance. They will see it their shop window for when we get relegated!
deep blue Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 12 minutes ago, goose2010 said: Think its the right time to take on 'interesting candidates'?! and i'm glad your not pushing for Pearson as there is absolutely no way the owners would go back there. Why would they?! and why the hell would he?! That's a very negative reply, but offers no real reasoning. What makes you so confident that those 2 managers couldn't get more out of our players than Ranieri? What are your thoughts on where we go from here? Do you think Claudio needs to go? If so, what positive thoughts do you have on potential replacements?
jayfox26 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 It would be interesting to know which are the "problem players" in the dressing room. It seems ridiculous to go from last season having the best team spirit in the league to this season no spirit whatsoever. It's clear that the large wage rises for certain players will have a lot to do with it. Easy to look back now and say certain players shouldn't have had such big wage rises and we should have sold them etc but if we had sold the likes of Mahrez and vardy last summer on top of selling kante, everyone would have kicked off royal. I still believe that poor recruitment last summer and no recruitment in January (except Ndidi and wague) is the main reason for our downfall. And that could be down to Claudio or Rudkin or both
goose2010 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 4 minutes ago, deep blue said: That's a very negative reply, but offers no real reasoning. What makes you so confident that those 2 managers couldn't get more out of our players than Ranieri? What are your thoughts on where we go from here? Do you think Claudio needs to go? If so, what positive thoughts do you have on potential replacements? If a manager who has helped them get world wide recogintion cant get them to play why would managers that have never managed in the premier league let along the champs league be able to get something out of them? No i definitely DO NOT think that Claudio needs to go (read my other post in this thread) we need stability not a circus.
koop. Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 11 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: It would be interesting to know which are the "problem players" in the dressing room. It seems ridiculous to go from last season having the best team spirit in the league to this season no spirit whatsoever. It's clear that the large wage rises for certain players will have a lot to do with it. Easy to look back now and say certain players shouldn't have had such big wage rises and we should have sold them etc but if we had sold the likes of Mahrez and vardy last summer on top of selling kante, everyone would have kicked off royal. I still believe that poor recruitment last summer and no recruitment in January (except Ndidi and wague) is the main reason for our downfall. And that could be down to Claudio or Rudkin or both Certainly hasn't helped that Steve Walsh left us in the summer, that man was a genius. If i were CR i'd be giving some of our players a reality check, Vardy & co need to remember where they came from and be thankful that our club has lifted him way above his pay grade. Time to stop writing books and prancing around on OK magazine and start doing what he's very generously paid to do
ZeGuy Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 48 minutes ago, goose2010 said: People saying other clubs would of sacked their managers by now, do you think they really would have? Take our form up until Christmas it wasnt the best but it definitely wasnt the worst (P27 W9 D8 L12). This year we are having a shocker but we are still in the FA cup and the champs league the form is far better than it was of the year of the great escape but the club didnt react and sack NP. IF you take our the cups comps we have lost 5 in a row. You think a club should make such a knee jerk reaction to five games and sack a manager off the back of 5 poor performances? Would you say it was justified if say Kloop got sacked? Eddie Howe or Allerdyce were sacked tomorrow? Even Pep had a bad run would you want him sacked? We have to get out of this mindset that if a club goes on a poor run you straight away sack the manager its crazy and everything that is wrong with modern football. I totally agree the club have issues with recuitement and it could of been better, the defence should of been improved but Hernandez was brought in Chilwell was and still is biting at Fuchs's heels for the left back spot and if we beleive the press (like everyone is in a megative spin) we were after the likes of Keane and a few other centre halves that didnt fancy the move (thank god their is a bit of loyalty out their somewhere!) yes hernadez didnt work out, Mendy has been unlucky with Injury and Zieler doesnt look the best but lets be honest over the past 5 years we have had a lot more good signings than bad. For every Ronaldo there is a Bebe and every De Gea there is a Tibia. We are getting hammered in the press and their are new stories daily and lets be honest they have all been waiting for it on the back of last season as last season our story sold papers worldwide and i'm pretty sure this season is about the same. for how much someone loves an under dog it doesnt take long for people to turn and say they are overrated. Like the other Thread unity is required and support is needed more this season than it was last. I find it's quite a narrow view of the situation. Id like to put some more perspective in it: 15 games in a row without a win (in the League) 0 win away since April 2016 0 goals for 10 hours. Trashings from Liverpool, Chelsea (twice), ManU, Southampton. Overjoyed with the Champions League form, because we won against Brugge or Copenhagen? We'll see about that after Sevilla. Hernandez was brought in and released within 6 months. In two years only two CB have been signed. Both of them never made it either to the first team or even to the bench, We overloaded ourselves with (poor quality) wingers and failed to sign any CAM. Mendy is fit again for months, yet never made it to the first team. The only real satisfaction is Ndidi. Talk again about knee jerk reaction.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 12 minutes ago, goose2010 said: If a manager who has helped them get world wide recogintion cant get them to play why would managers that have never managed in the premier league let along the champs league be able to get something out of them? He didn't do that, they did. Ranieri was just the right man at the right time riding the crest of a wave. Because they have tactics, a game plan and a professional off the field setup. Not the mentally and physically unfit joke of a club we have become under this joker. Stability is good when something is being built but this guy is ripping the foundations out.
Monsell1976 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 The owners now clearly spoken, now these over paid, spoilt little brats need to go out and earn their ****ing money. No more sulking, no more not trying, either give it 100%, or **** off, as we as fans feel the same as the owners, backed them when they were shit, back them when they was great last season, and have back them this season, and their performances are now insulting to everyone.
Guest Bob Hazels shorts Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 5 minutes ago, koop. said: Certainly hasn't helped that Steve Walsh left us in the summer, that man was a genius. If i were CR i'd be giving some of our players a reality check, Vardy & co need to remember where they came from and be thankful that our club has lifted him way above his pay grade. Time to stop writing books and prancing around on OK magazine and start doing what he's very generously paid to do I don't know how many of our struggling signings since he went were in place, if any and hopefully they will all make it. The guy obviously had far more clout than just signing players for Fergie to praise him Sir Alex Ferguson says Leicester City will win the Premier League with three games to spare thanks the work of Steve Walsh He added Foxes No 2 Steve Walsh is the league's most 'influential person' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3490016/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-says-Leicester-City-win-Premier-League-three-games-spare-thanks-work-Steve-Walsh.html#ixzz4Yg7MLiph Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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